Skipalongcassidy Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 15 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said: You do know that the courts are not a voice piece for the Democrats, don't you, but about punishing liars and lawbreakers. Obviously you are confused and can't separate politics and a court of law. Like so many of Trump's ignorant supporters. I suppose that's the only alternative to not being able to accept the truth. Davis urged Cohen to "own his lying" and his "sins" while answering questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) 3 hours ago, Yagoda said: Here's another one, not one person here can provide me with the crime that Trump allegedly committed that raises these bookkeeping misdemeanors to a felony. Not one. And not one of you can provide the statute that underlies that crime. You know why, because fat Alvin can't either. This obscure N.Y. election law is at the heart of Trump’s hush money trial Prosecutors say a misdemeanor state conspiracy statute spells out the underlying crime Trump aimed to conceal when he made hush money payments in 2016. May 6, 2024 at 5:00 a.m. EDT An obscure New York state election law that has rarely been prosecuted over five decades has been dusted off by Manhattan prosecutors and elevated to a prominent role in Donald Trump’s criminal trial over allegedly falsifying documents related to a hush money payment during the 2016 election campaign. Attorney Martin E. Connor, a former New York state senator, suggested that statute 17-152 is seldom prosecuted because most defendants in such cases also commit more serious crimes and face felony charges. “Things that might technically fit that [statute] would get prosecuted as bigger crimes,” said Connor, who has practiced law in New York for 53 years. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/05/06/trump-hush-money-trial-election-law/ ****** Or as another NY State election law attorney said elsewhere as to why 17-152 has rarely if ever been prosecuted to wit: If you decide to influence an election by fire-bombing your opponent's election HQ, you are going to be charged with felony arson -- not bothering to charge with some election law violation. Edited May 14 by jerrymahoney 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 I for one like seeing someone having a strong meaningful voice for all the people who’s lives have been wreaked by trump I hope mr choen does grevious mortal damage to the man who has wrought so much division destruction malic and hatred to America enough ditch the albatross! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Note to the above: Trump’s New York trial: Where’s the crime? by Andrew Cherkasky & Katie Cherkasky, opinion contributors - 05/14/24 2:00 PM ET https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/4662514-trumps-new-york-trial-wheres-the-crime/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 9 hours ago, G_Money said: Are you a Brit? What has that go to do with either you or the topic? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Removed one post that exceeded fair use provisions. Please don't paste entire articles. A lead in of a few sentences and a link to source is allowed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted May 15 Popular Post Share Posted May 15 5 hours ago, Yagoda said: The only time you ever watched TV and got facts. I don’t watch FOX News for FACTS, it’s entertainment. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hanaguma Posted May 15 Popular Post Share Posted May 15 2 hours ago, Tug said: I for one like seeing someone having a strong meaningful voice for all the people who’s lives have been wreaked by trump I hope mr choen doeTs grevious mortal damage to the man who has wrought so much division destruction malic and hatred to America enough ditch the albatross! At this trial, the only person who might be wrecked is Stormy, because she might actually have to pay Trump the legal fees she owes him. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted May 15 Popular Post Share Posted May 15 2 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said: Davis urged Cohen to "own his lying" and his "sins" while answering questions. Successful criminal prosecutions frequently rely on the testimony of people who are themselves convicted felons. Prosecutors negate the past behavior of their ‘flawed witnesses’ by use of corroborating testimony from multiple other witnesses and corroborating hard evidence. Cohen’s part in the Prosecution’s case is not to provide new revelations of Defendant Trump’s crimes, rather to link the events and acts that others have already testified to and for which hard evidence has already been presented. It’s for the Jury to decide, and it’s getting very close to the time when they will; which perhaps explains the histrionics we’re having to put with from the Defendant’s supporters. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted May 15 Popular Post Share Posted May 15 10 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: At this trial, the only person who might be wrecked is Stormy, because she might actually have to pay Trump the legal fees she owes him. That’s a strange take on the reality of who’s liberty is at stake in this trial, but if it gives you comfort go with it. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yagoda Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, Walker88 said: Using trump's own nickname for the woman who spanked his flabby old man fanny with a magazine... You can lead a Horseface to water, but you cannot make him drink. In this case, it's read. The actual indictment is available all over the web, so it isn't "not one person can provide", it's the entire World Wide Web that CAN provide the charges and explain the law in full detail. Obviously the Cult of the Orange Blubberbutt seems to believe their messiah is as infallible as a Borgia-Era Pope. And a CULT it absolutely is. The mob bosses' soldiers showed up en masse today, groveling little sycophants that they are, to demonstrate their fealty, loyalty and slavish submission to John Gotti trump, not only to show loyalty, but also to try to stare down Sammy The Bull Gravano Michael Cohen, as well as to play surrogate and proxy for their messiah who is under a gag order, saying for him what the court doesn't allow him to say. I would not be the least bit surprised if Kim Jong-un in North Korea taped that odious display, is showing it to his own Generals and clap-happy disciples, and telling them "I WANT YOU TO BE LIKE THIS! LOVE ME LIKE THEY DO" Only the dumbest among the Freedumb Cockups and VP wannabes who showed up do not know 100% that trump schtupped Stormy and McDougal and ordered the payments because---as Hope Hicks and Michael Cohen testified---trump feared news of his tryst and affair would hurt his election chances, and that trump was intimately involved in the fraudulent scheme to record the hush money payoffs as business expenses. You cant provide any facts. You specialize in invective and hate. You just wrote a whole distribe that means nothing. Tell us the facts. You cant. Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Its like your ilk marching for "Palestine" but you dont know where it is. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yagoda Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: Successful criminal prosecutions frequently rely on the testimony of people who are themselves convicted felons. Bet you cant name one case where a Prosecutor presented a witness who was an adjudicated perjurer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yagoda Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 4 hours ago, candide said: Come on! You could at least troll in an original way! 😁 You still cant provide fascts. You cant even cite the statutes allegedly violated. Repeating the word troll doenst hide your ultimate and blatant ignorance 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yagoda Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 3 hours ago, Tug said: I for one like seeing someone having a strong meaningful voice for all the people who’s lives have been wreaked by trump I hope mr choen does grevious mortal damage to the man who has wrought so much division destruction malic and hatred to America enough ditch the albatross! Punctuation helps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yagoda Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, Hanaguma said: At this trial, the only person who might be wrecked is Stormy, because she might actually have to pay Trump the legal fees she owes him. She has to pay no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric Loh Posted May 15 Popular Post Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, Hanaguma said: At this trial, the only person who might be wrecked is Stormy, because she might actually have to pay Trump the legal fees she owes him. She rather go to jail than pay that sex predator. By the way, Micheal Avenatti filed the defamation suit without her permission and against her wishes. She also wouldn't stand a chance with a Republican judge. She sought reversal of the judge's ruling. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 53 minutes ago, Yagoda said: Bet you cant name one case where a Prosecutor presented a witness who was an adjudicated perjurer. The People of New York State against Donald J Trump Defendant. https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yagoda Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: The People of New York State against Donald J Trump Defendant. https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf LOL, you lose. Did you know (well clearly you dont, but its rhetorical) that like at common law, there are still jurisdictions where perjurers are not competant to be witnesses? Interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yagoda Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 51 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: She rather go to jail than pay that sex predator. By the way, Micheal Avenatti filed the defamation suit without her permission and against her wishes. She also wouldn't stand a chance with a Republican judge. She sought reversal of the judge's ruling. Judgement entered. Appeals finished. She will pay her flabby arsed Orange Lover a percentage of every trick she turns forever. And then his kids, and his grandkids, until she heads to that big brothel in the sky and then whats left of her pitiable life will be sold to Thrift stores and the few pennies realized will go to them too. Poetic justice 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post newnative Posted May 15 Popular Post Share Posted May 15 Encouraging to see in a recent poll that 52% of Americans now believe Trump is guilty in the hush money trial and 49% approve of the trial, up from 43% in April. 4 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 12 hours ago, Danderman123 said: Trump recorded the transactions as "legal services", which is how invoices from attorneys are normally paid. The problem is that the payment to Michael Cohen wasn't for legal services, it was compensation for an illegal campaign finance violation. As for Trump, for the first time, he admitted he knew about the NDA. Oops Do you have a quote? thought not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 14 minutes ago, newnative said: Encouraging to see in a recent poll that 52% of Americans now believe Trump is guilty in the hush money trial and 49% approve of the trial, up from 43% in April. DNC poll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Do you have a quote? thought not. Just now, Yellowtail said: DNC poll? Polls during a trial are worthless. Polling after a jury verdict is useful. It looks like the prosecution is going to wrap up it's case with Michael Cohen, so Thursday could be the last day. The Defense may start their case on Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Do you have a quote? thought not. Indirectly. You copied Trump's rant the next day, where you stated that NDAs are legal. This was the first time that Trump acknowledged his participation in the NDA with Stormy Daniels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newnative Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: DNC poll? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaguma Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, Eric Loh said: She rather go to jail than pay that sex predator. By the way, Micheal Avenatti filed the defamation suit without her permission and against her wishes. She also wouldn't stand a chance with a Republican judge. She sought reversal of the judge's ruling. She may have that option. Then when she dies, her estate can pay the Trump family the judgement. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yagoda Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Got your hate bubbling in that one. Hate? Naw, just being like the Trumpophobics, Creative with Adjectives, weak on facts. 16 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: She is seeking legal recourse to reverse the ruling. Not over till the flabby arse orange sex predator man sing behing bars. Got a docket entry on that LOL. Dude just for humanitys sake. Your entire world of hate and fantasy is dissolving soon. Donny is coming. Seek help. Edited May 15 by Yagoda 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yagoda Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: She may have that option. Then when she dies, her estate can pay the Trump family the judgement. In 20 years, sickos will want to plough the now Granny field that the Greatest President Ever played in. Ring that cash register! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 7 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: She may have that option. Then when she dies, her estate can pay the Trump family the judgement. It's complicated if he die before her (most likely) and depend on state laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 31 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: Indirectly. So you made it up, thought so. 31 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: You copied Trump's rant the next day, where you stated that NDAs are legal. NDAs are legal, I've been saying it for weeks, 31 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: This was the first time that Trump acknowledged his participation in the NDA with Stormy Daniels. Did you have a quote? I thought not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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