Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[Bkk Brian]

40 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

One of my go to that give excellent daily info.

 

 

RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, JUNE 17, 2024

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-june-17-2024

From the report:

 

"NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg stated that NATO may take steps to enhance NATO's nuclear deterrence"

 

Well done Putin, your nuclear rhetoric has succeeded in NATO planning to enhance their stockpiles...lol

 

Bit like being Nato's largest recruiter. The very org he wanted to avoid.

[Danderman123]

47 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

You claim that Russia is losing thousands of soldiers and vehicles and supplies every day. I have no idea if that’s true or just Ukrainian propaganda (there’s been a lot of that, even more than Russian propaganda, in my opinion). I also do not know how many soldiers, vehicles and supplies Ukraine is losing every day. It could be more or it could be less.

 

What seems plausible to me however is that Russia should be able to outlast Ukraine easily in such a war of attrition. Time will tell. No one seems to be in a hurry for the war to end so there will be plenty of time to prove or disprove some of your rather outlandish claims.

 

I believe you are following events at the aggregate factory in Vovchansk closely. Do keep us updated.

 

 

More handwaving by you.

 

There are people who actually count Russian losses from published videos. It's a lot.

 

When losses are on the order of 4 to 1, it's not sustainable for Russia. 

 

I don't think you understand what "meat attacks" are, and why they are happening.

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You dreamer you. Never been such a time in the past 50,000 or whatever years humans have been bashing each other's brains out.

 

I'd rather have my side last a bit longer, but IMO we've completely lost the plot,and when the barbarians ( that we invited in ) take over, it'll be our own fault ( see end of Roman Empire to understand how our version ends ).

Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it.

You have completely lost the plot.

 

You are okay with Russia annihilating Ukrainian civilians, but not Gazans.

 

I guess you don't mind following the Moscow party line.

[Bkk Brian]

Well it was a bit hard to keep on denying it happened when even the Russian mini bloggers were admitting it. But to call it terrorism...........lol

 

Russia Admits Prized A-50 Radar Plane Downed by Kyiv, Decries 'Terrorism'

Russia has placed a Ukrainian soldier on its federal wanted list for ordering the "destruction" of an advanced Russian spy plane earlier this year, according to Moscow's main federal investigative body. This is the first acknowledgment from Russia that Ukraine successfully took out the aircraft.

In mid-January 2024, Ukrainian forces said they had shot down a Russian A-50 surveillance aircraft over the Sea of Azov. The loss was also reported by Russian military bloggers often used as sources of information when Moscow does not officially comment on the war in Ukraine.

Kyiv then said it had taken out a second A-50 on February 23, little over a month later. At least one Russian military blogger contradicted Ukraine's claims, saying the airborne early warning and control was downed by friendly fire.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-a50-plane-ukraine-investigative-committee-1914060

[rabas]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

I didn’t read the article about India and China possibly halting purchases of inferior military equipment. Is it a personal opinion or could you kindly provide a link?

 

I provided at least one link with actual views and opinions from the Indian government about their S-400 system purchases in light of the S-400's abysmal performance across the board in the Ukraine war. Their abysmal performance was not in question, only what India can do about their mistake now.

 

But you have scolded me more than once about including links to factual information. (propaganda hates the light of day?) If you are really interested, look at my post record.  

[0ffshore360]

9 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You have completely lost the plot.

 

You are okay with Russia annihilating Ukrainian civilians, but not Gazans.

 

I guess you don't mind following the Moscow party line.

In anticipation of being wrongly  accused of being a sympathizer for Putin I believe that there are many such as myself that perceive the two conflicts in non equivalent terms.

The Russian attack on Ukraine is a conventional war with focus on military territorial objectives with the unfortunate relatively small percentage of civilian collateral deaths and injuries which more often than not directly reported are as a result of downing incoming ordinance short of target and causing civilian damage.

The Israeli attack on Gaza in a vain effort to oust an undergrounded Urban Terrorist Militia by having no concern for civilian collateral deaths of tens of thousands of people who just prior were even employees assisting the economic base of Israel.  With genocidal outcome if not deliberate  intent Netanyahu has been widely accused of prolonging a war that feeds itself to save his own corrupt fundaments .

Not surprisingly the combined impact and slow but relentless revelations of genuine facts involved in both situations has and is just as relentlessly  creating an attitude of caution in the perceptions of the same people who actually are important in the overall influence on politics.

MSM is currently almost rabid with unverifiable pro Ukraine propaganda countered by the usual lack of responses or dire warnings by Putin.

IMHO the world is currently lucky that the USA is imploding itself over the  next POTUS lottery.

It is the result of that ticket holder that is the real question.

 

[beautifulthailand99]

https://www.forces.net/ukraine/russia-threatens-ukraines-main-supply-route-after-conquering-novooleksandrivka-village

[beautifulthailand99]

https://archive.ph/GiAxP

 

 

[beautifulthailand99]

NYT

 

Journalists and groups monitoring press freedoms are raising alarms over what they say are increasing restrictions and pressures on the media in Ukraine under the government of President Volodymyr Zelensky that go well beyond the country’s wartime needs.

“It’s really disturbing,” said Oksana Romanyuk, director of the Institute of Mass Information, a nonprofit that monitors media freedoms. That is particularly true, she said, in a war where Ukraine is “fighting for democracy against the values of dictatorship embodied by Russia.”

 

https://archive.ph/QjwFj

Edited June 18 by beautifulthailand99

[rabas]

46 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:

The Russian attack on Ukraine is a conventional war with focus on military territorial objectives with the unfortunate relatively small percentage of civilian collateral deaths and injuries which more often than not directly reported are as a result of downing incoming ordinance short of target and causing civilian damage.

 

This does not sound right, neither the 'small numbers' nor that Ukraine is somehow responsible. Do you have reliable links to confirm this? 

 

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

NYT

 

Journalists and groups monitoring press freedoms are raising alarms over what they say are increasing restrictions and pressures on the media in Ukraine under the government of President Volodymyr Zelensky that go well beyond the country’s wartime needs.

“It’s really disturbing,” said Oksana Romanyuk, director of the Institute of Mass Information, a nonprofit that monitors media freedoms. That is particularly true, she said, in a war where Ukraine is “fighting for democracy against the values of dictatorship embodied by Russia.”

 

https://archive.ph/QjwFj

And?

 

Since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, almost all independent media have been banned, blocked and/or declared “foreign agents” or “undesirable organisations”. All others are subject to military censorship. All privately owned independent TV channels are banned from the air, except for cable entertainment channels. Many western media such as Euronews, France 24 and the BBC are no longer accessible in the country, without an announcement of any legal, administrative or judicial decision. The media regulator, Roskomnadzor, has censored most independent news sites, and the most popular ones, such as Meduza and TV Rain, have been declared “undesirable organisations”, which means that mentioning them or quoting them can lead to criminal proceedings. The remaining media are owned by the state or by Kremlin allies. Their employees must follow orders issued by the president’s office regarding subjects to be avoided, and must censor themselves closely. Radio stations are in the same situation. 

https://rsf.org/en/country/russia

[beautifulthailand99]

15 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

And?

 

Since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, almost all independent media have been banned, blocked and/or declared “foreign agents” or “undesirable organisations”. All others are subject to military censorship. All privately owned independent TV channels are banned from the air, except for cable entertainment channels. Many western media such as Euronews, France 24 and the BBC are no longer accessible in the country, without an announcement of any legal, administrative or judicial decision. The media regulator, Roskomnadzor, has censored most independent news sites, and the most popular ones, such as Meduza and TV Rain, have been declared “undesirable organisations”, which means that mentioning them or quoting them can lead to criminal proceedings. The remaining media are owned by the state or by Kremlin allies. Their employees must follow orders issued by the president’s office regarding subjects to be avoided, and must censor themselves closely. Radio stations are in the same situation. 

https://rsf.org/en/country/russia

I curate a newsfeed attempting to balance the thread with news that others don't want to focus on less it dilute the narative of the binary good vs evil framing of this war. Higher standards are expected from western partners and rightly so and my European taxpayers money is helping in it's small way to settle their bills ,that "and". For my sins I seem to accumulate any number of sad,laughing or confused emojis from anonymous keyboard warriors. I have learnt to grin and bear it - it's my lonely cross to bear, I forgive you all and I'm sure you are doing sterling work over on the Israel threads defending the international rules based order. 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, beautifulthailand99 said:

I curate a newsfeed attempting to balance the thread with news that others don't want to focus on less it dilute the narative of the binary good vs evil framing of this war. Higher standards are expected from western partners and rightly so and my European taxpayers money is helping in it's small way to settle their bills ,that "and". For my sins I seem to accumulate any number of sad,laughing or confused emojis from anonymous keyboard warriors. I have learnt to grin and bear it - it's my lonely cross to bear, I forgive you all and I'm sure you are doing sterling work over on the Israel threads defending the international rules based order. 

yawn, its a war, "The rules bar journalists from working in “red zones” deemed the most dangerous" 

 

A million miles away from the restrictions imposed by Russia.

[Bkk Brian]

She's not just a pretty face.....

 

https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1803029821234036742

 

[kwonitoy]

 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, kwonitoy said:

 

Ukraine was pretty corrupt before the war, but Russia wasn't far behind.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I curate a newsfeed attempting to balance the thread with news that others don't want to focus on less it dilute the narative of the binary good vs evil framing of this war. Higher standards are expected from western partners and rightly so and my European taxpayers money is helping in it's small way to settle their bills ,that "and". For my sins I seem to accumulate any number of sad,laughing or confused emojis from anonymous keyboard warriors. I have learnt to grin and bear it - it's my lonely cross to bear, I forgive you all and I'm sure you are doing sterling work over on the Israel threads defending the international rules based order. 

I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

Do you work for a Russian troll farm?

[beautifulthailand99]

21 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

Do you work for a Russian troll farm?

You wouldn't be the first  - the answer is  a firm no. I'm just a retired nobody with a lot of time on my hands who should be sorting out the loft. if I was then Russia has lost if they were paying me to post on a backwatwer to a handful of ageing expats in Thailand then they have truly lost the plot.

Edited June 18 by beautifulthailand99

[balo]

Putin on his way to North Korea for the first meeting in 20 years+  , he desperately needs weapons now.  And Kim will do anything to please him.  

Two dictators , hand in hand against the world .  Dictatorships never survives. 
Try to do something foolish fat Kim and N-Korea will cease to exist. 

 

 

Edited June 18 by balo

[peterrabbit]

I just can't help thinking that I am now living in the most precarious and dangerous time of my existence, everything appears to be on the edge of the abyss. 

 

Whether it is political, economic or security based, it appears we are at a prophetical point in time.

 

Is it just me or does anyone else feel we are living in Apocalyptic times?

[stoner]

2 hours ago, balo said:

Putin on his way to North Korea for the first meeting in 20 years+  , he desperately needs weapons now.  And Kim will do anything to please him.  

Two dictators , hand in hand against the world .  Dictatorships never survives. 
Try to do something foolish fat Kim and N-Korea will cease to exist. 

 

 

 

hahah putin is even shorter than kim ?

[Danderman123]

6 hours ago, peterrabbit said:

I just can't help thinking that I am now living in the most precarious and dangerous time of my existence, everything appears to be on the edge of the abyss. 

 

Whether it is political, economic or security based, it appears we are at a prophetical point in time.

 

Is it just me or does anyone else feel we are living in Apocalyptic times?

And you didn't think that during COVID?

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Personal ancecdotes from folks with relatives / friends/ visits to the 2 countries whilst potentially intrerseting are not really relevant to the debate. I follow a number of different forums on Ukraine one on Mumsnet has 2 Ukrainains that have fallen out completely with close family members in the occupied oblasts that fully support Russia. It really is a slavic civil war in those areas with familes divided by beleifs and one we should have stayed well out of.  

In the past discussion I have more than once pointed out that this is a Russian/ Ukrainian squabble and we should not get involved.

Seems the idea of bleeding Russia was too tempting for the neocons that IMO run the USA to ignore, unfortunately. They have a track record of trying to do that ( Afghanistan, anyone? ). Pity that Britain ( which wisely stayed out of the US adventure in Vietnam ) has become such a poodle to the US, and jumped in boots and all.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, peterrabbit said:

I just can't help thinking that I am now living in the most precarious and dangerous time of my existence, everything appears to be on the edge of the abyss. 

 

Whether it is political, economic or security based, it appears we are at a prophetical point in time.

 

Is it just me or does anyone else feel we are living in Apocalyptic times?

Nah. I don't feel like that at all. I was too young to care about the Cuba crisis, but IMO that was the closest we came and didn't all die.

IMO the stakes are too high for anyone to start using nukes now, but if NATO puts a boot over the Ukraine border all bets are off.

 

If I misunderstood your post and it's not about nuclear winter, yes, we are at the literal cliff edge for western civilization, but IMO our leaders are too incompetent to save us, so whoops, over we go. We are, IMO somewhat like the lemmings in our behaviour, running full tilt to destruction.

Edited June 19 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, 0ffshore360 said:

In anticipation of being wrongly  accused of being a sympathizer for Putin I believe that there are many such as myself that perceive the two conflicts in non equivalent terms.

The Russian attack on Ukraine is a conventional war with focus on military territorial objectives with the unfortunate relatively small percentage of civilian collateral deaths and injuries which more often than not directly reported are as a result of downing incoming ordinance short of target and causing civilian damage.

The Israeli attack on Gaza in a vain effort to oust an undergrounded Urban Terrorist Militia by having no concern for civilian collateral deaths of tens of thousands of people who just prior were even employees assisting the economic base of Israel.  With genocidal outcome if not deliberate  intent Netanyahu has been widely accused of prolonging a war that feeds itself to save his own corrupt fundaments .

Not surprisingly the combined impact and slow but relentless revelations of genuine facts involved in both situations has and is just as relentlessly  creating an attitude of caution in the perceptions of the same people who actually are important in the overall influence on politics.

MSM is currently almost rabid with unverifiable pro Ukraine propaganda countered by the usual lack of responses or dire warnings by Putin.

IMHO the world is currently lucky that the USA is imploding itself over the  next POTUS lottery.

It is the result of that ticket holder that is the real question.

 

That post deserves more than a +1, so

 

🏆

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

if I was then Russia has lost if they were paying me to post on a backwatwer to a handful of ageing expats in Thailand

Hammer, nail and head come to mind.

I doubt Biden and Putin read AN before making any decisions.

[BobBKK]

 

15 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Tell that to Bob who is always talking about his family and Russian connections, not me.

 It is highly relevant to have personal experience and family involved. The rest of you are mostly clueless, but it IS a Slavic dispute and has NOTHING to do with the USA or Europe. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS, and peace will come.

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

https://archive.ph/GiAxP

 

 

It's just a guess, but given the F16 is probably a money spinner for the US military industrial complex, they probably don't want to take any chances of them going the same way as the Abrams or the Leopards. Might put a dent in the sales orders.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 

 It is highly relevant to have personal experience and family involved. The rest of you are mostly clueless, but it IS a Slavic dispute and has NOTHING to do with the USA or Europe. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS, and peace will come.

You really need to follow the post strings and read the post I was responding to 

 

 

[Gweiloman]

15 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

More handwaving by you.

 

There are people who actually count Russian losses from published videos. It's a lot.

 

When losses are on the order of 4 to 1, it's not sustainable for Russia. 

 

I don't think you understand what "meat attacks" are, and why they are happening.

Carry on believing what you like.

 

Personally, I find it hard to believe that Russia is sustaining 4 times the losses that Ukraine is. But who knows? One day the figures might be released but even that might be fudged.

 

We’ll just have to see who can last longer.

 

I remember the Bakhmut meat grinder tactics that Russia executed on Ukraine.