Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[Roo Island]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

You seem to have it backward. Certainly deluded if you think Ukraine can bring about the demise of Russia, IMO.

 

If you are correct and it is not about the demise of Russia ( hahahaha ) the loss of life in Ukraine is easily achieved by halting the supply of weapons to Ukraine followed by a negotiated end to the war.

 

 

Russia can't even beat Ukraine! . They'd be toast against NATO.

 

How about halting the supply of weapons to Russia?

[Roo Island]

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

Yes.  Ukraine is on the verge of collapse.  And if you stopped reading so much propaganda, you’d know that.  Let’s revisit the issue in a few weeks.  And if we’re lucky, the nonsense will be over by then.  If not, we’re all in trouble.

Sad some are ok with countries invading others and killing innocent civilians. Incredible

[RayC]

19 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Thank you for your inquiry. There have been surveys such as this from the PEW Research Org. that you can look up.  Unfortunately the most recent data released last month did not include Belgium, perhaps because it is not a particularly important or influential nation when it comes to international  affairs..

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/07/02/confidence-in-zelenskyy-and-support-for-ukraine/

 

The decline  in support was documented earlier this year  https://www.brusselstimes.com/925956/two-years-into-the-war-belgian-support-for-ukrainian-aid-wavers and broadened to include allegations of support for Russia from two Belgian political parties; the NVA party and the PVDA party.  The allegations follow on from the study released last March by The European Center for Populism Studies (ECPS)  an independent, nonpartisan, nonprofit organization, based in Brussels, for research on and analysis of challenges posed by increasing political populism which documented The impact of the Russia–Ukraine War on ties between the Vlaams Belang in Belgium and the Putin regime.

 

You may find the term capitulation too strong. Perhaps it is. However, I find the word most appropriate for the Belgian state and its history since its conduct in WWII and then in colonial Africa. The evil it did in the Congo in 1960 following what is described as its  "capitulation" combined with its legacy in Rwanda and Burundi serve as an indication of what Belgium is capable of doing when public opinion shifts.

 

Thanks for the links.

 

As you say the research conducted by Pew contains no data about Belgium specifically, so it is basically irrelevant.

 

Wrt the Brussels Times' link. Imo a wavering in support amongst the general public two years into a conflict is hardly surprising. The view amongst the Belgium public is consistent with the wider EU public opinion, so I'm not sure why you single out Belgium?

 

Belgium's conduct in the Congo was shameful, but unless you believe that there is something in the Belgian pysche that lends itself to colonialism and sadistic behaviour, it has no relevant to the Belgium's role in the current Ukraine conflict.

 

Unfortunately, the PVDA has a small number of unreconstructed Stalinists within its' ranks, so their support for Russia is hardly a surprise: Without wishing to sound like an apologist for Vlangs Belang - a party I abhor - their leadership has condemned and distanced itself from Russia since the invasion.

 

So far as financial support from Belgium  for Ukraine is concerned, the unimaginative titled 'Belgium -Ukraine' fund stands at €1.4 billion and the Belgium government passed a bill in March authorising €400m in military aid to Ukraine. (Note: The link which I have is in French so cannot be posted. A search of 'Le Soir (Belgium)' should uncover relevant details).

 

Far from wavering in its' support for Ukraine, the Belgium government and public have remained as steadfast as others in the EU.

[tgw]

the first map of the incursion showed just a little territory lost by Ruzzia, but Operator Starky's video hints at much larger Ukrainian gains, including larger towns such as Sudzha, Koronevo and Rylsk

 

 

[Seppius]

Russian opposition activist Yashin  

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDJoHd0CRqg

[kwonitoy]

 

[kwonitoy]

 

[Patong2021]

The exchange of neo nazi labeling is annoying. There is no denying that neo nazis have existed and still do exist in both countries. The integral difference is that Russia still engages in some of the more vile  aspects of neo nazisim, such as state sanctioned anti semitism and  discrimination against some ethnic groups. That region of the world has always suckled from the bosom of hate. Killing jews in their  community organized pogroms was sport.  The ethnic hatreds are particularly strong in the communities  near the Russian-Ukraine border.

However, the claim of Russians that they are denazifying are a farce since they are no better with their mass murders, torture, looting and rape.

[kwonitoy]

 

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Sad some are ok with countries invading others and killing innocent civilians. Incredible

Does that apply to the US invading Iraq based on a lie about WMDs and killing innocent people, as well, or is it just Russia that is at fault? Were you OK with that?

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Russia can't even beat Ukraine! . They'd be toast against NATO.

 

How about halting the supply of weapons to Russia?

Do you only post nonsense?

 

BTW, the west doesn't supply weapons to Russia. They make their own.

[RayC]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Does that apply to the US invading Iraq based on a lie about WMDs and killing innocent people, as well, or is it just Russia that is at fault? Were you OK with that?

 

And that justifies the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Whataboutery at its' worse.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Does that apply to the US invading Iraq based on a lie about WMDs and killing innocent people, as well, or is it just Russia that is at fault? Were you OK with that?

Definitely not okay with the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

 

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Danderman123]

12 hours ago, jas007 said:

Yes.  Ukraine is on the verge of collapse.  And if you stopped reading so much propaganda, you’d know that.  Let’s revisit the issue in a few weeks.  And if we’re lucky, the nonsense will be over by then.  If not, we’re all in trouble.

Can you explain why Russia is too weak to defend Kursk at the moment?

[Social Media]

Another inflamatory post by the same member has been removed. As stated he can now enjoy some time off to read the rules.

 

A reply was also removed.

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Does that apply to the US invading Iraq based on a lie about WMDs and killing innocent people, as well, or is it just Russia that is at fault? Were you OK with that?

The United States, the United Kingdom, Australia and Poland invading Iraq based on intelligence from multiple sources in multiple governments about WMDs. 

 

Fixed it for you

[bunnydrops]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Does that apply to the US invading Iraq based on a lie about WMDs and killing innocent people, as well, or is it just Russia that is at fault? Were you OK with that?

I'm confused. Do you think it is good or bad for a country to invade another country?

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Do you only post nonsense?

 

BTW, the west doesn't supply weapons to Russia. They make their own.

China and north Korea are supplying Russia. The only one mentioning the west is you.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 minutes ago, stevenl said:

China and north Korea are supplying Russia. The only one mentioning the west is you.

I was responding to a poster saying we should stop supplying arms to Russia. How are we going to stop China and Nth Korea doing so?

 

Next.

[thaibeachlovers]

24 minutes ago, bunnydrops said:

I'm confused. Do you think it is good or bad for a country to invade another country?

 

 

Any confusion is of your own making. I have been crystal clear that I do not support war.

[Bkk Brian]

If you are unaware today, Ukraine is crushing Russians in actual Russia. 

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

4 hours ago, bunnydrops said:

I'm confused. Do you think it is good or bad for a country to invade another country?

Does it not depend on why one country invades another? 

[Seppius]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

If you are unaware today, Ukraine is crushing Russians in actual Russia. 

 

 

 

Was watching some TikTok's, Ukrainians pretty much destroyed the column that Russia sent to attack the "invaders"

 

https://www.tiktok.com/@joeycontino2?lang=en

[jas007]

18 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

You don't seem happy about Russia being invaded.

 

Putin seems pretty helpless right now.

 The “invasion” was a publicity stunt.  Ukraine picked a poorly defended area of Russia.  The primary purpose was to make an incursion into Russia.  An opportunity to make some videos for publication.  
 

As for Putin seeming “helpless”?  Do you not realize that Russia could reduce the entire country of Ukraine to rubble?  But that’s not the goal.  

[Mavideol]

Russia must 'feel' the war, Zelensky says, as fighting on Russian territory continues

https://au.yahoo.com/news/russia-must-feel-war-zelensky-024012720.html

 

[Mavideol]

Zelensky wants Russia to ‘feel’ the war as Ukraine presses cross-border attack

 

Zelensky wants Russia to ‘feel’ the war as Ukraine presses cross-border attack (msn.com)

[transam]

3 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 The “invasion” was a publicity stunt.  Ukraine picked a poorly defended area of Russia.  The primary purpose was to make an incursion into Russia.  An opportunity to make some videos for publication.  
 

As for Putin seeming “helpless”?  Do you not realize that Russia could reduce the entire country of Ukraine to rubble?  But that’s not the goal.  

Very funny, you made me smile.........

Your hero has already done so in the east.....

Putin will not totally destroy Ukraine, it would be his biggest mistake to date...😉

[Mavideol]

State of emergency declared as Ukraine launches raid into Russia

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-launches-rare-cross-border-173420989.html

 

[Mavideol]

How is the latest Ukrainian raid into Russian territory different?

https://au.yahoo.com/news/latest-ukrainian-raid-russian-territory-160111874.html

 

[Mavideol]

in my early ages of playing football, the coach use to say "best defense is to attack" Ukraine is doing what needs to be done, bring fear into the Ruskoffs households, that way they will know how the Ukrainians feel

Intense battles after major cross-border raid by Ukraine into Russia’s Kursk region

https://au.yahoo.com/news/intense-battles-cross-border-raid-162040079.html