15 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What has that got to do with Hanuguma's know-nothing claim about Palestinians should be begging to be part of Israel's economy?

Everything. Who would they be better under. 
 

21 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Because the way Hamas treats its civilians is so much better right? 

 

OK, Will Palestine/Hamas/Palestinian Authority formally recognise the state of Israel and its right to exist?

2 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Everything. Who would they be better under. 
 

 

That's your argument? It would be worse? You take no account of why Hamas got to be popular in the first place. And you take no account of how unpopular Hamas was before October 7th. And how Hamas might not be in power now if Israel hadn't help to keep it there.

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

That's your argument? It would be worse? You take no account of why Hamas got to be popular in the first place. And you take no account of how unpopular Hamas was before October 7th. And how Hamas might not be in power now if Israel hadn't help to keep it there.

What’s worse than being used as human shields by Hamas? 
 

Or.

 

 "But if there were a Palestinian state now, it would be run by Hamas, and we would have a Taliban-like state. A satellite state of Iran. Is this what the progressive movements of the Western Left want to create?" he asked. His comments suggest that while the aspiration for Palestinian self-determination is legitimate, the reality of Hamas’s governance would starkly contrast with the values espoused by many of its Western supporters.

1 minute ago, coolcarer said:

What’s worse than being used as human shields by Hamas? 
 

Or.

 

 "But if there were a Palestinian state now, it would be run by Hamas, and we would have a Taliban-like state. A satellite state of Iran. Is this what the progressive movements of the Western Left want to create?" he asked. His comments suggest that while the aspiration for Palestinian self-determination is legitimate, the reality of Hamas’s governance would starkly contrast with the values espoused by many of its Western supporters.

I get it. Hamas is using civilians as shields. So the way to deal with that is to starve those civilians to do and deny them medical supplies. That way, they'll be worthless as shields.

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

That's your argument? It would be worse? You take no account of why Hamas got to be popular in the first place. And you take no account of how unpopular Hamas was before October 7th. And how Hamas might not be in power now if Israel hadn't help to keep it there.

Yes, quite unpopular. Yet on October 7 they were suddenly VERY popular. So popular that regular Gazan civilians spontaneously decided to join in the attack on innocent people in Israel, join the rape and murder and theft and kidnapping.

 

Yes, unpopular indeed.

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

I get it. Hamas is using civilians as shields. So the way to deal with that is to starve those civilians to do and deny them medical supplies. That way, they'll be worthless as shields.

Are you sure you got it? Did you deliberately miss the rest of the post?

57 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes, quite unpopular. Yet on October 7 they were suddenly VERY popular. So popular that regular Gazan civilians spontaneously decided to join in the attack on innocent people in Israel, join the rape and murder and theft and kidnapping.

 

Yes, unpopular indeed.

& here are just a few of those civilians heading into Gaza to join the rampage and terror attack.

 

 

Politically correct west at it again. This time rewarding terrorism and secondly cutting their own throats down the road. 

18 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

& here are just a few of those civilians heading into Gaza to join the rampage and terror attack.

 

 

So, Norway, Ireland and Spain. This is acceptable is it. The people who carted that body off on the motorbike - difficult to tell if it was alive or dead - deserve recognition and statehood do they? You're pathetic , sick and cowardly.

 

What if, heaven forbid, terrorists raided Bergen, killed 12000, raped and dragged 250 off to be held hostage in the mountains of Sweden? 

 

What if, heaven forbid, terrorists raided La Corrunna, killed 12000, raped and dragged 250 off to be held hostage in the mountains of the Basque country? 

 

What if, heaven forbid, terrorists raided towns along the Irish border, killed 12000, raped and dragged 250 off to be held hostage in the North? 

 

Would you be happy for them to be internationally recognised with Statehood?

 

I doubt it somehow.

 

I do however suspect that this political posturing in no way reflects the actual reality of your people's views!

 

7 hours ago, placeholder said:

And what is Israel's plan for ending the war? Does it even have one?

As long Jerusalem is an religious landmark, this war will continue with or without palestinian or jews, there is more in line for capturing Jerusalem. 

 

As long as Jesus' return is a real thing for the religious and people believe in the prophecies, then the end days will finally arrive sooner or later. 

 

What do you think? 

I'd imagine Labour will do the same thing if they are elected on July 4th. 

 

After all, they are friends with Hamas. 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

I get it. Hamas is using civilians as shields. So the way to deal with that is to starve those civilians to do and deny them medical supplies. That way, they'll be worthless as shields.

 

   They are not being starved though .

They have been being "starved" for 8 months now , David Blaine only managed once month .

   Just like Hamas , you are using (false) starvation was a weapon to attack Israel 

22 minutes ago, Hummin said:

As long Jerusalem is an religious landmark, this war will continue with or without palestinian or jews, there is more in line for capturing Jerusalem. 

 

As long as Jesus' return is a real thing for the religious and people believe in the prophecies, then the end days will finally arrive sooner or later. 

 

What do you think? 

 

   Christians believe that Jesus will return , are you getting Jesus mixed up with someone else ?

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Christians believe that Jesus will return , are you getting Jesus mixed up with someone else ?

Jews are waiting for the real messiah, christians is waiting for Jesus' second coming, as well in the Quran for Jesus' second coming. 

Israel is the centre of the prophecy of Messiah's return, and many jews and christians see Hamas attack as the sign of end times.

 

Politics and religion a dangerous mix

21 hours ago, Hummin said:

with future equal rights

Netanyahu and his conservation radical Jewish party will never agree. And in fact has been trying to pass legislation to take away from current Palestinians their Israeli citizenship. 

35 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I'd imagine Labour will do the same thing if they are elected on July 4th. 

 

After all, they are friends with Hamas. 

 

 

 

Its a mixed up ,bobbled up , shook up world except for ….

Since the leader of the free world took

over in 2021  he has appeased Terror with the help of other nations.

Seems like the old ways , traditional values are being pushed out to make way for a new world order.

Germany is ok with arresting Bibi!

Ireland ,spain , norway  want a two state solution with one participating govt who is hell bent on the destruction of the other.

These governments , these appeasers 

got the balls to use our Tax dollars to push their Global schemes.

 

 

methinks

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Netanyahu and his conservation radical Jewish party will never agree. And in fact has been trying to pass legislation to take away from current Palestinians their Israeli citizenship. 

Thats why this war is seen as a genocide and deportation of Palestines. The end game is to take over the promised land. The israel apoligists here continue to say they are not, but even as we talk, new settlers continue to build and capture land with israeli government protection

2 hours ago, koolkarl said:

Politically correct west at it again. This time rewarding terrorism and secondly cutting their own throats down the road. 

Somebody else who doesn’t know what ‘political correctness’ means.

The people commenting on this thread are so naive and ignorant.  Palestinians have refused statehood no less than five times.  Israel offered them all of the area they occupied plus a small amount of Israeli land andwere refused.  Why?  Because the leaders of the murderous terrorist organizations (PLO, Hamas, Hesbollah) do not want statehood or peace.  They want to kill Jews and they want to remain in power, receiving billions of dollars a year in support from naive and ignorant foreigners.  There are dreams that cannot be, there are storms we cannot weather, and there are problems without a solution.  This is one of them.

1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said:

So, Norway, Ireland and Spain. This is acceptable is it. The people who carted that body off on the motorbike - difficult to tell if it was alive or dead - deserve recognition and statehood do they? You're pathetic , sick and cowardly.

 

What if, heaven forbid, terrorists raided Bergen, killed 12000, raped and dragged 250 off to be held hostage in the mountains of Sweden? 

 

What if, heaven forbid, terrorists raided La Corrunna, killed 12000, raped and dragged 250 off to be held hostage in the mountains of the Basque country? 

 

What if, heaven forbid, terrorists raided towns along the Irish border, killed 12000, raped and dragged 250 off to be held hostage in the North? 

 

Would you be happy for them to be internationally recognised with Statehood?

 

I doubt it somehow.

 

I do however suspect that this political posturing in no way reflects the actual reality of your people's views!

 

The deliberate false equivalence between terrorists, who are guilty of their crimes and must be held accountable, and millions of innocent Palestinians who are not guilt of those crimes and must not be held accountable.

 

 

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

I'd imagine Labour will do the same thing if they are elected on July 4th. 

 

After all, they are friends with Hamas. 

 

 

 

Jeremy Corbin will not be standing as a Labour endorsed candidate at the election.

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The deliberate false equivalence between terrorists, who are guilty of their crimes and must be held accountable, and millions of innocent Palestinians who are not guilt of those crimes and must not be held accountable.

 

 

They are guilty for supporting Hamas, same as Israeli goverment, who thought it was a good idea to let Hamas create unstability in the Palestinian areas and divide the Palestinians. Its all politics

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The deliberate false equivalence between terrorists, who are guilty of their crimes and must be held accountable, and millions of innocent Palestinians who are not guilt of those crimes and must not be held accountable.

 

 

 

   Hamas committed those atrocities .

Hamas are the Government in Gaza .

Spain, Ireland , Norway have recognised Palestinian statehood with Hamas as its rulers .

   Spain, Ireland and Norway have rewarded the Oct 7 the terror attackers by giving recognition to the terror group who committed those war crimes and atrocities . 

 

15 minutes ago, Hummin said:

They are guilty for supporting Hamas, same as Israeli goverment, who thought it was a good idea to let Hamas create unstability in the Palestinian areas and divide the Palestinians. Its all politics

 

    Wait right there . 

Israel did support Hamas BEFORE the terror attack . 

Israel supported Hamas 20 odd years ago when they were the good guys doing beneficial things for Gazans

   Ireland, Spain and Norway support Hamas AFTER the terror attack .

There's a huge difference between supporting a non terrorist group and supporting a terrorist group 

 

16 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Hamas committed those atrocities .

Hamas are the Government in Gaza .

Spain, Ireland , Norway have recognised Palestinian statehood with Hamas as its rulers .

   Spain, Ireland and Norway have rewarded the Oct 7 the terror attackers by giving recognition to the terror group who committed those war crimes and atrocities . 

 

Youi have to dig a bit deeper what Ireland and Norway have said! They have not aknownledged Hamas. They have aknownledged Palestinians right to a state, which have been on the table for decades, and really nothing new. 

 

Still I do not agree with the timing, and totally dissagree with the goverment for doing so now! But I see the press around the world, and it is as expected completely taken out of perspective and meaning behind the action. 

 

Norway condemns terrorism

Both the Palestinian and Israeli authorities have been informed of the Norwegian Government’s decision to recognise Palestine as a state.

‘Norway intends to continue its close contact with the Israeli authorities. Norway was one of the first countries to recognise the state of Israel in 1949. Israel is in a vulnerable security situation, and Norway recognises Israel’s legitimate right to defend itself, within the framework of international law. We believe that the two-state solution is in Israel’s best interests. It will help to establish a more peaceful, safe and stable region,’ said Mr Støre.

Read the press release here 

https://www.regjeringen.no/en/aktuelt/norway-recognises-palestine-as-a-state/id3040194/

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Wait right there . 

Israel did support Hamas BEFORE the terror attack . 

Israel supported Hamas 20 odd years ago when they were the good guys doing beneficial things for Gazans

   Ireland, Spain and Norway support Hamas AFTER the terror attack .

There's a huge difference between supporting a non terrorist group and supporting a terrorist group 

 

We both have read up on the history and the intentions for doing so? Same as Us Taliban support, it backfired! 

9 hours ago, placeholder said:

And what is Israel's plan for ending the war? Does it even have one?

Winning It. Which means the destruction of Hamas as an entity which is any threat to Israel.

 

Anything else is just kicking the can down the road.

7 minutes ago, Hummin said:

We both have read up on the history and the intentions for doing so? Same as Us Taliban support, it backfired! 

 

  Israel supporting a non terrorist group Hamas 20 years ago is very different to Spain/Ireland/Norway supporting Hamas the terror group today 

36 minutes ago, HalAndLois said:

The people commenting on this thread are so naive and ignorant.  Palestinians have refused statehood no less than five times.  Israel offered them all of the area they occupied plus a small amount of Israeli land andwere refused.  Why?  Because the leaders of the murderous terrorist organizations (PLO, Hamas, Hesbollah) do not want statehood or peace.  They want to kill Jews and they want to remain in power, receiving billions of dollars a year in support from naive and ignorant foreigners.  There are dreams that cannot be, there are storms we cannot weather, and there are problems without a solution.  This is one of them.

I agree wholeheartedly with your statement! This is uncharted territory,nations  appeasing ( giving in) to terror , all to maintain world peace!

Its UNHEARD-OF .