The ICJ Ordered Israel to Halt its Rafah Military Offensive

[Hawaiian]

Why would Israel stop now?

 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/hamas-launches-rocket-barrage-israel-rafah-sounding-alarms-tel-aviv

[Hawaiian]

16 hours ago, placeholder said:

And yet you offer nothing yourself to support this statement from Hanaguma:

"Given that the majority of relief supplies are stolen by Hamas, perhaps you are pointing your finger in the wrong direction."

Put up or...

"Put up or..."  Or what?  The youtube clips are no surprise.  They document what is actually going on.  Hamas is in survival mode and will feed their troops before the civilian population.  Do you expect Hamas to publicly announce this fact for the whole world to see?

[stevenl]

The Israeli attack on a refugee camp in rafah was apparently aimed one Hamas member. The result dozens of dead and severely wounded civilians.

Atrocities like this are the reason for the calls to Israel to stop.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, stevenl said:

The Israeli attack on a refugee camp in rafah was apparently aimed one Hamas member. The result dozens of dead and severely wounded civilians.

Atrocities like this are the reason for the calls to Israel to stop.

Except it wasn't just aimed at only one and it was only after Hamas fired a barrage of rockets from...................yep.  Rafah at Tel Aviv. So firing rockets from Rafah and holding hostages there you do not mention, why? 

 

I would wait on the dozens of dead figure until Hamas comes up with its final one.

[stevenl]

54 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Except it wasn't just aimed at only one and it was only after Hamas fired a barrage of rockets from...................yep.  Rafah at Tel Aviv. So firing rockets from Rafah and holding hostages there you do not mention, why? 

 

I would wait on the dozens of dead figure until Hamas comes up with its final one.

Pathetic attempt to justify this war crime.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Pathetic attempt to justify this war crime.

Did you notice I was correcting you, it was not aimed at just one, fact. It was only after a barrage of rockets from Rafah, fact. What is also a fact is that Hamas is still holding hostages in Rafah.

 

Can you provide evidence that this incident is a war crime as you are now claiming?

 

 

[placeholder]

5 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

"Put up or..."  Or what?  The youtube clips are no surprise.  They document what is actually going on.  Hamas is in survival mode and will feed their troops before the civilian population.  Do you expect Hamas to publicly announce this fact for the whole world to see?

I can see it's really difficult for some people to wrap their minds around the plain English of Hanugama's claim that Hamas was stealing most of the food aid. No evidence, just assertions.

And even on commonsense grounds your claims fail. There are about 2 million people in Gaza. Why would Hamas be stealing most of the food to feed its fighters who were reckoned to number 30,000 before the war. Even with the strangulated quantity that Israel allows into Gaza, that doesn't literally add up. . I remember well the "it stands to reason" arguments like yours were made to justify invading Iraq.

[Bkk Brian]

7 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

"Put up or..."  Or what?  The youtube clips are no surprise.  They document what is actually going on.  Hamas is in survival mode and will feed their troops before the civilian population.  Do you expect Hamas to publicly announce this fact for the whole world to see?

Actually when they steal the food its not solely to feed their own terrorists but its really just a way to make money. Food, flour etc has become extremely expensive in Gaza, yet it should all be free. Now that Israel has taken over control of the Rafah crossing Hamas will no longer be able to make money from that particular venture.

 

US signals backing for ‘limited op’ after IDF takes over Gazan side of Rafah crossing
State Department says legitimate for Israel to prevent Hamas from collecting revenue at border gate with Egypt, while urging quick reopening of crossing so aid deliveries continue.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-signals-backing-for-limited-op-after-idf-takes-over-gazan-side-of-rafah-crossing/

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

This shouldn't be necessary but unfortunately it is. Of course the messenger here will be the target for any apologists.

 

FACT CHECKING THE ICJ: AN ORDER BASED IN OMISSIONS AND DECEPTIONS

Unsurprisingly, the International Court of Justice caved to the cynical game being played by Hamas’s ally South Africa to try and halt the Israeli military operation launched to destroy the terrorist organization after its horrific massacre on October 7, 2023. 

Equally unsurprising is that the ICJ justified its order by relying on only a thin, distorted, and inaccurate set of “facts.” In its May 24 order, the Court relied on a small number of dubious, generalized and misleading claims made by various United Nations figures.

https://www.camera.org/article/fact-checking-the-icj-an-order-based-in-omissions-and-deceptions/

[Hawaiian]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

I can see it's really difficult for some people to wrap their minds around the plain English of Hanugama's claim that Hamas was stealing most of the food aid. No evidence, just assertions.

And even on commonsense grounds your claims fail. There are about 2 million people in Gaza. Why would Hamas be stealing most of the food to feed its fighters who were reckoned to number 30,000 before the war. Even with the strangulated quantity that Israel allows into Gaza, that doesn't literally add up. . I remember well the "it stands to reason" arguments like yours were made to justify invading Iraq.

"It stands to reason", except I happened to be against the American invasion of Iraq.  The U.S. foolishly let Saddam's army escape after fleeing from Kuwait.

You need to ask the Hamas leadership about the diversion of food and other supplies.  If Hamas is willing to use civilians as human shields why would they hesitate depriving them of food?  When you are critically short of food every bit counts.  Who's lacking common sense now?

[Neeranam]

Well doesn't look like Israel are listening..... 

 

Israel condemned for bombing Rafah camp as civilians ‘burnt alive’

Scores killed and many more injured as airstrikes hit displaced people in the Tel al-Sultan neighbourhood

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/05/26/at-least-20-palestinians-killed-as-air-strikes-hit-rafah/