Judge Upholds Involuntary Manslaughter Indictment Against Alec Baldwin in 'Rust' Shooting

[Yellowtail]

Just now, CanadaSam said:

 

Do you have any links to this "official protocol"?

No, but it was in most all the articles that came out after the accident. 

 

And I did qualify it with "I believe". 

[klauskunkel]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Next you will be saying ALL actors must do 6 months military training..........😂

Nope, I'll say use CGI for shooting scenes. 

And you will say, but, but, but that's not realistic... 

To which I will say, guess what it's a movie, they are not realistic by definition. 

[transam]

10 minutes ago, klauskunkel said:

Nope, I'll say use CGI for shooting scenes. 

And you will say, but, but, but that's not realistic... 

To which I will say, guess what it's a movie, they are not realistic by definition. 

You just want to bury the actor over an expert's mistake.............

[Sheryl]

2 hours ago, transam said:

You just want to bury the actor over an expert's mistake.............

The Producer. In charge of the entire operation.

 

Why not wait for the trial to see what the evidence is and what the prosecution's  grounds for believing the producer liable are?

[transam]

Just now, Sheryl said:

The Producer. In charge of the entire operation.

 

Why not wait for the trial to see what the evidence is and what the prosecution's  grounds for believing the producer liable are?

The Producer probably knows nothing about firearms either, that's why they pay an expert.

There should never have been any live ammo anywhere near these highly paid actors.😬

We don't even know if any actor was going to fire live ammo, perhaps the gun experts/stand ins were going to do that..🤗

 

[transam]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

The Producer probably knows nothing about firearms either, that's why they pay an expert.

There should never have been any live ammo anywhere near these highly paid actors.😬

We don't even know if any actor was going to fire live ammo, perhaps the gun experts/stand ins were going to do that..🤗

 

I must add, I trained in the UK, PP1 (Police Pistol 1), you learn the correct procedures and handling of a weapon, even removing a gun from its case has a procedure.

When I watch YouTube vids on guns, USA, I can't believe what they do with them when loaded..................😱........ Completely gives the wrong message to a beginner........😬

[Yellowtail]

28 minutes ago, transam said:

The Producer probably knows nothing about firearms either, that's why they pay an expert.

There should never have been any live ammo anywhere near these highly paid actors.😬

We don't even know if any actor was going to fire live ammo, perhaps the gun experts/stand ins were going to do that..🤗

 

So the CEO of Boeing gets a pass because he has "experts" installing the doors? 

[transam]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

So the CEO of Boeing gets a pass because he has "experts" installing the doors? 

No idea, you could start your own thread on that, though......🤗

[Guitar God]

Something for Conservatives to celebrate. They love extracting revenge on Liberals.  If the same thing happened and the director was conservative they'd be defending him to the end. Total hypocrisy. 

The producer hired an armorer , an expert in weapons to make sure there was no way accidents like this never happened. She allowed live ammo on the set where there was absolutely no reason to have live ammo on a movie set.

If a producer hires a degreed and qualified engineer and a structure he designs fails and people are killed or injured, it's the engineer's responsibility.

If a producer hires an expert stunt coordinator and follows his advice and a stunt goes wrong, it's the stunt coordinator's fault.

If a producer hires a licensed caterer and they provide meals and people get sick or die from food poisoning, it's their fault, not the producer who hired them.

Actors aren't firearms experts or stuntmen, or stunt drivers or stunt pilots or ninjas or Jedis or stunt divers. They're not expected to check every prop, inspect every car, every motorcycle, every camera rig, every wire, every pad , every harness, every gun, every bomb, every light saber, every club or sword, every knife, evey bottle, every window, every prop nuclear warhead or anything else to make sure it's safe. Since they're not experts, how would they even know? They weren't taught to tell the difference between a live round, a blank and dummy bullet because that's not their responsibility.

[candide]

9 minutes ago, Guitar God said:

Something for Conservatives to celebrate. They love extracting revenge on Liberals.  If the same thing happened and the director was conservative they'd be defending him to the end. Total hypocrisy. 

The producer hired an armorer , an expert in weapons to make sure there was no way accidents like this never happened. She allowed live ammo on the set where there was absolutely no reason to have live ammo on a movie set.

If a producer hires a degreed and qualified engineer and a structure he designs fails and people are killed or injured, it's the engineer's responsibility.

If a producer hires an expert stunt coordinator and follows his advice and a stunt goes wrong, it's the stunt coordinator's fault.

If a producer hires a licensed caterer and they provide meals and people get sick or die from food poisoning, it's their fault, not the producer who hired them.

Actors aren't firearms experts or stuntmen, or stunt drivers or stunt pilots or ninjas or Jedis or stunt divers. They're not expected to check every prop, inspect every car, every motorcycle, every camera rig, every wire, every pad , every harness, every gun, every bomb, every light saber, every club or sword, every knife, evey bottle, every window, every prop nuclear warhead or anything else to make sure it's safe. Since they're not experts, how would they even know? They weren't taught to tell the difference between a live round, a blank and dummy bullet because that's not their responsibility.

Exactly. It seems the main reason MAGA fans are claiming he's guilty is because he made a parody of Trump! 😀

[Robert Paulson]

Why do none of the articles state the context. Was he waving the gun around? Was he simply doing actions with the gun the scene called for? To me these are the questions. If he was playing around with a gun or firing it unnecessarily in any way I think he needs to go down. 

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, candide said:

Exactly. It seems the main reason MAGA fans are claiming he's guilty is because he made a parody of Trump! 😀

That's what it is, the only reason he's in court is because of Trump. 

 

They have written protocol that everyone that touches the weapon, checks the weapon, including the actor. 

 

I blame the armorer, but if Baldwin was supposed to check it, does he not also have some liability?

 

If I have hazardous waste in my factory, hiring an "expert" to take care of it does not relive me of my responsibility that it has to be handled and disposed of properly. 

[G_Money]

On 5/25/2024 at 6:28 PM, transam said:

Rubbish, it was an actor on a film set where a PAID expert was in attendance to ensure safety.

It takes a while to learn how to be safe with a gun, I know.

The PAID safety was at fault, not an untrained actor...🥴 

 
You obviously no nothing about gun safety.  I’m not surprised.

[EVENKEEL]

On 5/25/2024 at 11:44 PM, transam said:

I must add, I trained in the UK, PP1 (Police Pistol 1), you learn the correct procedures and handling of a weapon, even removing a gun from its case has a procedure.

When I watch YouTube vids on guns, USA, I can't believe what they do with them when loaded..................😱........ Completely gives the wrong message to a beginner........😬

In all the years I qualified yearly for small arms. When you took procession, you acknowledged it was  it was unloaded and safe. Clear and safe. And only then did I load the gun. Always Cond 1. Then directly into holster. Never, ever were we handed a gun with a "good to go"

 

Is this way different? Of course it's different but should be same protocol with more than one person visibly checking ammo before gun is loaded. It only makes sense the actor shooting the gun should have a bit of knowledge of what the dummy rounds are. 

[candide]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

That's what it is, the only reason he's in court is because of Trump. 

 

They have written protocol that everyone that touches the weapon, checks the weapon, including the actor. 

 

I blame the armorer, but if Baldwin was supposed to check it, does he not also have some liability?

 

If I have hazardous waste in my factory, hiring an "expert" to take care of it does not relive me of my responsibility that it has to be handled and disposed of properly. 

Well, we'll see what comes out of the trial. I don't have any knowledge of protocols to follow in movie production, so I have no particular claim about it.

 

I just find it strange that when an actor is handed an accessory, he should be responsible about this accessory. Like if he has to drive a car, he should be responsible if breaks eventually don't work.

 

The example you give probably makes sense. However, in this case it was not 'his' gun.

Edited May 28 by candide

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Well, we'll see what comes out of the trial. I don't have any knowledge of protocols to follow in movie production, so I have no particular claim about it.

The protocols were explained in the news after the incident. He also claimed (for a while) he did not pull the trigger, but that it just went off.   

1 hour ago, candide said:

I just find it strange that when an actor is handed an accessory, he should be responsible about this accessory. Like if he has to drive a car, he should be responsible if breaks eventually don't work.

It's a union shop. If the rules say the actor checks the weapon, or the breaks, the actor should check the weapon, or breaks. Either the rules are to be followed, or they are not. 

1 hour ago, candide said:

The example you give probably makes sense. However, in this case it was not 'his' gun.

In this case he was the producer, so it was his weapon.

 

And as I said previously:  "That a tire specialist is in charge of checking the tires on an airliner does not excuse the pilot from their responsibility to check the tires as well."

[candide]

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The protocols were explained in the news after the incident. He also claimed (for a while) he did not pull the trigger, but that it just went off.   

It's a union shop. If the rules say the actor checks the weapon, or the breaks, the actor should check the weapon, or breaks. Either the rules are to be followed, or they are not. 

In this case he was the producer, so it was his weapon.

 

And as I said previously:  "That a tire specialist is in charge of checking the tires on an airliner does not excuse the pilot from their responsibility to check the tires as well."

You may be right. But it's a poor choice of examples

 Airplane pilots responsible for tires? 😀

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, candide said:

You may be right. But it's a poor choice of examples

 Airplane pilots responsible for tires? 😀

They check them every time before they board the plane, and you can bet that id they don't, and there's a blow-out when they land, they'll be taken to task for it. 

Edited May 28 by Yellowtail

[candide]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

They check them every time before they board the plane, and you can bet that id they don't, and there's a blow-out when they land, they'll be taken to task for it. 

With their thumbs? 😃

[transam]

11 hours ago, G_Money said:

 
You obviously no nothing about gun safety.  I’m not surprised.

😂.......Trained Police Pistol 1, had a S&W .44 Magnum Classic Hunter, Colt Cobra .357 Magnum, did my own bullet reloading.......

No, I know nothing........🤭

Get back to your crayoning............😂

[JonnyF]

Correct decision.

 

Not only was he the producer of the movie (and therefore should take some responsibility if he hired incompetent safety personnel) but he picked up a loaded gun, pointed it at someone and pulled the trigger when they weren't even filming a scene.

 

He then denied pulling the trigger and claimed it just "went off". That was found to be impossible so he should also be charged for providing false evidence. 

 

Of course, being a famous Hollywood actor he thinks he should just get away with all this. 

 

As an aside, he should also be charged with goonery for calling his American wife (Hillary) Hilaria and claiming she is Spanish. 

[G_Money]

1 hour ago, transam said:

😂.......Trained Police Pistol 1, had a S&W .44 Magnum Classic Hunter, Colt Cobra .357 Magnum, did my own bullet reloading.......

No, I know nothing........🤭

Get back to your crayoning............😂

“Trained Police Pistol“

 

From a cereal box with a toy inside?

 

If you were as well trained as you claim you would know upon picking up a weapon to check the condition (battery) regardless of what anyone told you.  Firearms 101.

 

Baldwins incompetence is to blame.  Buck stops with him.

[G_Money]

2 hours ago, transam said:

😂.......Trained Police Pistol 1, had a S&W .44 Magnum Classic Hunter, Colt Cobra .357 Magnum, did my own bullet reloading.......

No, I know nothing........🤭

Get back to your crayoning............😂

Was this you with your 44 magnum?

 

 

[transam]

2 hours ago, G_Money said:

“Trained Police Pistol“

 

From a cereal box with a toy inside?

 

If you were as well trained as you claim you would know upon picking up a weapon to check the condition (battery) regardless of what anyone told you.  Firearms 101.

 

Baldwins incompetence is to blame.  Buck stops with him.

No, not "Trained Police Pistol", you can't even get your facts right......😂

 

Baldwin, a trained firearms expert, or an actor...........😂

 

Go try to bury someone else, you're good at that........😝

[transam]

1 hour ago, G_Money said:

Was this you with your 44 magnum?

 

 

More school boy stuff, from you, oh well...........

[G_Money]

9 minutes ago, transam said:

No, not "Trained Police Pistol", you can't even get your facts right......😂

 

Baldwin, a trained firearms expert, or an actor...........😂

 

Go try to bury someone else, you're good at that........😝

Go back and read your post.  

 "Trained Police Pistol", 

 

Your words, not mine.

 

“😂.......Trained Police Pistol 1, had a S&W .44 Magnum Classic Hunter, Colt Cobra .357 Magnum, did my own bullet reloading.......”

Edited May 29 by G_Money

[transam]

1 minute ago, G_Money said:

Go back and read your post.  

 "Trained Police Pistol", 

 

Your words, not mine.

You go back and read it.........Tool...........😂

[G_Money]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

You go back and read it.........Tool...........😂

Oh, I have read it and reposted to help with your memory loss.

[Yellowtail]

get a room you two...

[transam]

4 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Oh, I have read it and reposted to help with your memory loss.

Oooooh, no, go back and read it, you twisted my words.......Tool...........😂