Thunberg, LGBTQ Extremists, Pro-Hamas Hate Mobs: Is This What Labour Is?

[Social Media]

 

With a general election looming in less than six weeks, the Labour Party, led by Sir Keir Starmer, is under intense scrutiny. Despite his efforts to project a centrist image akin to Tony Blair's, questions about the true nature of Labour's policies and instincts remain pressing. Starmer has spent considerable effort distancing himself from the more radical elements of the party, emphasizing that he isn't "tribal" and trying to convince voters of his moderate stance. Yet, examining the evidence suggests a more complex and potentially concerning reality.

 

Starmer's 2020 Labour leadership campaign video serves as Exhibit A. This footage resembles a trailer for a Ken Loach film, where Starmer and his supporters highlight his defense of environmental activists, support for asylum seekers, and advocacy for trade unions. He proudly mentions his opposition to the Iraq War, efforts to halt Brexit, and resistance to privatizing the NHS. Starmer promises to "stand up for the powerless against the powerful" with a "green new deal" and a "human rights-based foreign policy."

 

In this campaign, Starmer invited Labour members to unite around a radical agenda, suggesting that the economic model needed a complete overhaul to replace the "failed free market one." He called for an end to national division, symbolically taking the knee during the Black Lives Matter protests five months later. Although he has since tempered some of these left-wing pledges, his declaration, "I'm a socialist," lingers, casting doubt on his shift towards moderation.

 

Despite attempts to present a more centrist stance, some of Starmer's policies remain rooted in progressive ideals. For instance, Labour appears poised to introduce gender self-identification. While Wes Streeting, the shadow health secretary, may have reconsidered his "trans women are women" stance, Anneliese Dodds, aiming to become the secretary of state for women and equalities, proposes allowing a single doctor to authorize gender changes, a move reminiscent of Nicola Sturgeon's policies.

 

Starmer's relationship with Rosie Duffield, one of the few Labour MPs critical of the party's stance on gender issues, further illustrates internal tensions. Duffield was notably absent from Starmer's campaign launch in Kent, despite being Labour's sole MP in the county until Natalie Elphicke's defection, highlighting the party's struggle with inclusive representation. David Lammy, the shadow foreign secretary, raises additional concerns. Lammy's implicit support for the International Criminal Court's application to arrest Israeli officials, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, aligns with pro-Hamas sentiments and the recognition of Palestinian statehood. This stance, combined with Lammy's historical association with Jeremy Corbyn and opposition to the renewal of the Trident nuclear fleet, questions his suitability for high office.

 

Angela Rayner, Labour's deputy leader, is another figure stirring debate. Her support for a New Deal for Working People, driven by union pressures, threatens to strain small and medium-sized businesses still recovering from the pandemic and economic crises. Despite shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves's rhetoric about being pro-business, Labour's policies suggest otherwise.

 

Labour's proposed VAT on private school fees could push thousands of students into the already burdened state sector, exacerbating class space shortages. The party's ambitious plan to decarbonize the grid by 2030, despite uncertainties about its financial implications, raises further concerns about practicality and economic impact.

 

Labour's instincts in government remain uncertain. Will Starmer be able to resist the party's more radical elements, or will he cave to pressures from the Left? Recent policy reversals, like the softened stance on Israel, indicate potential vulnerability to internal factions and external influences.

 

This isn't the moderate Blairism of 1997. Behind the facade of moderation lies the risk of Labour reverting to idealistic, unrealistic politics. The party's association with environmental extremists, trans activists, and pro-Hamas hate mobs, coupled with an apologetic stance on British history and an open-border policy, suggest a potential shift towards radicalism. A vote for Labour may thus represent more than just a change in leadership; it could signify an alignment with eco-zealots, trans extremists, and pro-Hamas activists. The electorate must carefully consider these implications as the election approaches.

 

Credit: Daily Telegraph 2024-05-27

 

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[thaibeachlovers]

25 minutes ago, Social Media said:

The electorate must carefully consider these implications as the election approaches.

LOL. IMO the electorate ( or at least most of them ) will vote for the party that promises more "stuff" ie election bribes.

 

Meanwhile, the Tories seem to have a "policy" problem, promoting universal National Service, which, while a good idea, will be as popular as a poll tax for the general populace.

[RayC]

This opinion piece is hardly unexpected or news given that the source of it is the Conservative party's unofficial media mouthpiece.

 

That said, I agree with the Telegraph that this is not 1997. Imo there doesn't appear to be much enthusiasm for Labour; it's just that there is even less for the Tories. The electorate seems to largely apathetic towards all parties. 

 

While Labour should win convincingly, the largest UKGov poll shows that 15% of voters are undecided who to vote for, and 10% say that they will not vote. It appears that there are still a lot of votes to play for.

[Nick Carter icp]

14 minutes ago, RayC said:

While Labour should win convincingly, the largest UKGov poll shows that 15% of voters are undecided who to vote for, and 10% say that they will not vote. It appears that there are still a lot of votes to play for.

 

   Muslim candidates could stand for the Green party and win the election . It has happened in local elections and it could happen nationwide   

[RayC]

33 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Muslim candidates could stand for the Green party and win the election . It has happened in local elections and it could happen nationwide   

 

On a national scale, the Muslim vote is pretty insignificant. There are only a handful of constituencies where Muslims are in the majority and relatively few where they are a significant minority.

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

On a national scale, the Muslim vote is pretty insignificant. There are only a handful of constituencies where Muslims are in the majority and relatively few where they are a significant minority.

 

   If there's a low voter turnout and all the Muslims vote for one person in each constituent , a Green candidate  ,  then the Green Muslim could become the Government . 

   They wouldn't need to be in the majority in each constituent 

[RayC]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   If there's a low voter turnout and all the Muslims vote for one person in each constituent , a Green candidate  ,  then the Green Muslim could become the Government . 

   They wouldn't need to be in the majority in each constituent 

 

Imo that scenario is extremely unlikely. There are 650 constituencies. There is a maximum of 50 where the Muslim vote will have any significant effect.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

This opinion piece is hardly unexpected or news given that the source of it is the Conservative party's unofficial media mouthpiece.

 

That said, I agree with the Telegraph that this is not 1997. Imo there doesn't appear to be much enthusiasm for Labour; it's just that there is even less for the Tories. The electorate seems to largely apathetic towards all parties. 

 

While Labour should win convincingly, the largest UKGov poll shows that 15% of voters are undecided who to vote for, and 10% say that they will not vote. It appears that there are still a lot of votes to play for.

TBH I have no idea who I will vote for. However I know that I won't be voting Tory, Labour or Lib Dem, and until I get the list of who else is standing in the constituency, I really have no idea which party to vote for, or even which party is worth voting for.

 

I would vote for a party if I got something out of it, but that would be frozen pension parity, though I don't believe that any party would have that as a policy, AND follow it through to the successful end.

Edited May 27 by billd766

[RayC]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

TBH I have no idea who I will vote for. However I know that I won't be voting Tory, Labour or Lib Dem, and until I get the list of who else is standing in the constituency, I really have no idea which party to vote for, or even which party is worth voting for.

 

I would vote for a party if I got something out of it, but that would be frozen pension parity, though I don't believe that any party would have that as a policy, AND follow it through to the successful end.

 

Imo the chances of any government unfreezing pensions in the next parliament is virtually zero, and the chances of it happening after that is very low.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, RayC said:

 

Imo the chances of any government unfreezing pensions in the next parliament is virtually zero, and the chances of it happening after that is very low.

Yet the bar stewards still want my vote.

[billd766]

Breaking News

 

The Tory party will be renamed as the headless chicken party after the latest announcement by the incumbent (and incredibly rich, useless PM).

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-69063295

 

"Pensioners are to get a tax break worth £2.4bn a year if the Tories win the election, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is announcing today.

The Conservatives have promised to raise the tax-free pension allowance, saying the proposal would be worth £275 a year to each pensioner by 2030. Under it, the state pension would always be below the tax-free threshold pensioners."

 

So in 6 years time the tax break will be worth around a whole 80 pence per day. However the state pension will ALWAYS be less than the tax free threshold.

 

And the bar stewards STILL want my vote.

[JonnyF]

Labour has no idea what it is. They will say whatever it takes to get into power. They are utterly devoid of principles. When they gain power they will mess up the economy like they always do. 

 

Fortunately for them, The Tories are now Conservative In Name Only and are led by the clueless Sunak. So they might just squeeze over the line. 

 

Never mind God save the King, God help Britain might be more appropriate if they get power. You only have to look at London to see what has happened under loony lefty Khan to get an idea of what lies in store.

 

For expats in Thailand who bring money over from the UK, I can only hope the pound doesn't crash too quickly. 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Labour has no idea what it is. They will say whatever it takes to get into power. They are utterly devoid of principles. When they gain power they will mess up the economy like they always do. 

 

Fortunately for them, The Tories are now Conservative In Name Only and are led by the clueless Sunak. So they might just squeeze over the line. 

 

Never mind God save the King, God help Britain might be more appropriate if they get power. You only have to look at London to see what has happened under loony lefty Khan to get an idea of what lies in store.

 

For expats in Thailand who bring money over from the UK, I can only hope the pound doesn't crash too quickly. 

Not happy about the way things are going Jonny?

 

14 years of Tory Government, an unassailable majority in Parliament and what have they delivered?

 

The NHS in perpetual crisis, a national housing crisis, schools falling down, rivers polluted and tap water that needs to be boiled to be potable, public transport over priced and under serviced, dangerous prisoners being released early and police being told not to make arrests (when they bother to show up at crime scenes), immigration out of control, border import checks near none existent, UK farms going out of business taking UK food security with them.

 

Oh and a cost of living crisis.

 

 

[herfiehandbag]

On 5/27/2024 at 3:41 PM, RayC said:

This opinion piece is hardly unexpected or news given that the source of it is the Conservative party's unofficial media mouthpiece.

 

That said, I agree with the Telegraph that this is not 1997. Imo there doesn't appear to be much enthusiasm for Labour; it's just that there is even less for the Tories. The electorate seems to largely apathetic towards all parties. 

 

While Labour should win convincingly, the largest UKGov poll shows that 15% of voters are undecided who to vote for, and 10% say that they will not vote. It appears that there are still a lot of votes to play for.

 

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not happy about the way things are going Jonny?

 

14 years of Tory Government, an unassailable majority in Parliament and what have they delivered?

 

The NHS in perpetual crisis, a national housing crisis, schools falling down, rivers polluted and tap water that needs to be boiled to be potable, public transport over priced and under serviced, dangerous prisoners being released early and police being told not to make arrests (when they bother to show up at crime scenes), immigration out of control, border import checks near none existent, UK farms going out of business taking UK food security with them.

 

Oh and a cost of living crisis.

 

 

It is certainly a mess. One which the Tories have allowed to develop, despite a significant parliamentary majority. Based on the mess they have brought the country to they do not deserve re-election.

 

I am sceptical that Labour will put right or even improve upon many of the Tory failures. Certainly as far as business, policing and immigration are concerned I expect them to make things worse.

 

I don't expect that I will vote this time round. I have applied for a proxy vote, cast by my brother, but I don't expect to use it.

[JonnyF]

39 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not happy about the way things are going Jonny?

 

14 years of Tory Government, an unassailable majority in Parliament and what have they delivered?

 

The NHS in perpetual crisis, a national housing crisis, schools falling down, rivers polluted and tap water that needs to be boiled to be potable, public transport over priced and under serviced, dangerous prisoners being released early and police being told not to make arrests (when they bother to show up at crime scenes), immigration out of control, border import checks near none existent, UK farms going out of business taking UK food security with them.

 

Oh and a cost of living crisis.

 

 

 

I guessed you missed the recent news on the performance of the UK economy under the Conservatives.

 

https://ca.style.yahoo.com/news/gdp-uk-overtakes-france-germany-070000252.html

 

I have no doubt Labour will quickly undo all the good work though. 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

I guessed you missed the recent news on the performance of the UK economy under the Conservatives.

 

https://ca.style.yahoo.com/news/gdp-uk-overtakes-france-germany-070000252.html

 

I have no doubt Labour will quickly undo all the good work though. 

 

With an extra 166,000 unemployed, and millions of those that are working unable to pay their bills or afford a home of their own.

 

 

[G_Money]

So Greta Thunberg upon realizing the earth hasn’t turned into a fireball 🔥has switched her attention to the pro Hamas terrorist organization support.

 

Who would of thought.

[JonnyF]

25 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

With an extra 166,000 unemployed, and millions of those that are working unable to pay their bills or afford a home of their own.

 

 

 

That's what happens when you bring in cheap labour in the form of unskilled migrants. 

[JonnyF]

15 minutes ago, G_Money said:

So Greta Thunberg upon realizing the earth hasn’t turned into a fireball 🔥has switched her attention to the pro Hamas terrorist organization support.

 

Who would of thought.

 

She's too old now to be the child deity of the climate doomsday cult. 

 

A switch to terrorist supporter could be seen as a necessary career move at her age. 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

That's what happens when you bring in cheap labour in the form of unskilled migrants. 

I thought the Government of the past 14 years had sorted that?

 

[lom]

27 minutes ago, G_Money said:

So Greta Thunberg upon realizing the earth hasn’t turned into a fireball 🔥has switched her attention to the pro Hamas terrorist organization support.

 

Who would of thought.

It is not about her, she is only mentioned in the header (why?) but not in the article..

[Stocky]

7 minutes ago, lom said:

It is not about her, she is only mentioned in the header (why?) but not in the article..

[JonnyF]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I thought the Government of the past 14 years had sorted that?

 

 

As in the Rwandan debacle, liberal hand wringers keep blocking attempts via the legal system.

 

Labour are sure to open the floodgates though with their Palestinian family visa scheme though. Maybe Corbyn can use it to bring in some of his friends in Hamas?

[Chomper Higgot]

57 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

As in the Rwandan debacle, liberal hand wringers keep blocking attempts via the legal system.

 

Labour are sure to open the floodgates though with their Palestinian family visa scheme though. Maybe Corbyn can use it to bring in some of his friends in Hamas?

The Government has an unassailable majority but can’t enact policies that don’t run foul of UK law.

 

But of course it’s always somebody else’s fault.

 

 

Edited May 29 by Chomper Higgot

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Government has an unassailable majority but can’t enact policies that don’t run foul of UK law.

 

They can't enact policies that do not run foul of UK law?

 

Interesting. They are obligated to break the law? Who knew?

 

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

But of course it’s always somebody else’s fault.

 

 

 

When they try to deport illegals and are blocked by hand wringing Liberals, yes. 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

They can't enact policies that do not run foul of UK law?

 

Interesting. They are obligated to break the law? Who knew?

 

 

When they try to deport illegals and are blocked by hand wringing Liberals, yes. 

No they are not blocked by liberals, the Government policy is blocked because it runs foul of UK law.

 

Total incompetence in the part of the Government in its search for a distraction from the rest of its failures.

 

And all at cost of hundreds of £millions of tax payers’ money.

 

It’s well past time for change.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not happy about the way things are going Jonny?

 

14 years of Tory Government, an unassailable majority in Parliament and what have they delivered?

 

The NHS in perpetual crisis, a national housing crisis, schools falling down, rivers polluted and tap water that needs to be boiled to be potable, public transport over priced and under serviced, dangerous prisoners being released early and police being told not to make arrests (when they bother to show up at crime scenes), immigration out of control, border import checks near none existent, UK farms going out of business taking UK food security with them.

 

Oh and a cost of living crisis.

 

 

 

And all this in just 14 years. 🤣

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

And all this in just 14 years. 🤣

Much of it in the past 5, and the letting dangerous prisoners out early, that's something new.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

And all this in just 14 years. 🤣

It's not as though Labour did any better in their time. Two massive majorities and wasted it all in Iraq, wasted 6 billion quid on the NHS. Not a record to be proud of.

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's not as though Labour did any better in their time. Two massive majorities and wasted it all in Iraq, wasted 6 billion quid on the NHS. Not a record to be proud of.

 

Well, that's what I was getting at in my own sarcastic way. Labour fans always draw the line at exactly 14 years ago but Blarism was not at all moderate, in reality,