British Motorbike Rider Dead After Fatal Motorbike Collision in Patong

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Patong - On Wednesday morning, June 5th, a tragic accident occurred on Phang Mueang Sai Kor Road in front of the Patong Police Station. A British motorcyclist lost his life after colliding with another motorbike and a pickup truck.

Emergency responders swiftly arrived at the scene to find two damaged motorbikes strewn across the road. Nearby, they discovered the pickup truck involved in the collision.

 

One Thai motorbike rider sustained moderate injuries, while the Myanmar national driving the pickup truck remained unharmed. Tragically, the foreign motorcyclist, later identified as a British national, was pronounced dead at the scene.

 

By Goongnang Suksawat

 

Full story: THE PHUKET EXPRESS 2024-06-06

 

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[Gottfrid]

RIP! Tragic accident

[KhunBENQ]

Another day, another dead (foreign) motorcyclist.

A case among many like 30 to 50 a day in the country.

 

Lost control when trying to overtake.

That leaves a lot of room for speculation. 

Edited June 5 by KhunBENQ

[hotchilli]

According to eyewitness accounts from the Thai rider and the Myanmar driver, both vehicles were traveling in the same direction. The British rider allegedly attempted to overtake another vehicle but tragically lost control, veering into the opposite lane before the collision occurred.

 

I t wasn't my fault honestly.

[watchcat]

34 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

I t wasn't my fault honestly.

 

Of course not, none of them where thai....

[Gottfrid]

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

According to eyewitness accounts from the Thai rider and the Myanmar driver, both vehicles were traveling in the same direction. The British rider allegedly attempted to overtake another vehicle but tragically lost control, veering into the opposite lane before the collision occurred.

 

I t wasn't my fault honestly.

Yeah, I reacted to that too. Very reliable witnesses, with absolutely no agenda to save their own skin.

[newbee2022]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Patong - On Wednesday morning, June 5th, a tragic accident occurred on Phang Mueang Sai Kor Road in front of the Patong Police Station. A British motorcyclist lost his life after colliding with another motorbike and a pickup truck.

Emergency responders swiftly arrived at the scene to find two damaged motorbikes strewn across the road. Nearby, they discovered the pickup truck involved in the collision.

 

One Thai motorbike rider sustained moderate injuries, while the Myanmar national driving the pickup truck remained unharmed. Tragically, the foreign motorcyclist, later identified as a British national, was pronounced dead at the scene.

 

By Goongnang Suksawat

 

Full story: THE PHUKET EXPRESS 2024-06-06

 

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Today we have another sad story about a Brit to read.

To ride a motorbike in Thailand is not for a long life. Driving a car he would have been alive.

RIP

 

[Gottfrid]

6 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Today we have another sad story about a Brit to read.

To ride a motorbike in Thailand is not for a long life. Driving a car he would have been alive.

RIP

 

Why do you say that? Maybe he would have been driving without belt and same thing happened. Can die easy if have accident without belt. Also, there are different rider regarding motorbikes. some are totally unexperienced, other are nervous at rush hour. After that we have risk takers, and speeders. At last we have the experienced drivers, that always have control and can handle their bikes. So, some will have a long life riding bikes all their life in Thailand. I am one of them, that have riding different 600-1100 cc bikes for about 25 years in this country. I also drive car when taking the family somewhere and sending kids to school.

Edited June 6 by Gottfrid

[MalcolmB]

11 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

To ride a motorbike in Thailand is not for a long life.

Probably not wearing a helmet.

It seems half of them don’t around here.

in Patong so fair chance alcohol involved also, maybe some weed.

He was overtaking to mix that with a bit of speed.

 

[richard_smith237]

39 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Probably not wearing a helmet.

It seems half of them don’t around here.

in Patong so fair chance alcohol involved also, maybe some weed.

He was overtaking to mix that with a bit of speed.

 

Heroin addict too ??...        

[richard_smith237]

5 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Why do you say that? Maybe he would have been driving without belt and same thing happened. Can die easy if have accident without belt. Also, there are different rider regarding motorbikes. some are totally unexperienced, other are nervous at rush hour. After that we have risk takers, and speeders. At last we have the experienced drivers, that always have control and can handle their bikes. So, some will have a long life riding bikes all their life in Thailand. I am one of them, that have riding different 600-1100 cc bikes for about 25 years in this country. I also drive car when taking the family somewhere and sending kids to school.

 

Completely agree... 

There are lots of different types of riders, and while riding here in Thailand clearly carries an elevated risk compared to driving a car or riding a motorcycle in our home countries, we can remove ourselves from the elevated layers of the risk profile by riding within certain boundaries..  (not riding at night, not speeding, not drunk, wearing kit, riding defensively all the time etc) - thats not to suggest this guy wasn't following common sense rules... the story could be a complete fabrication, the deceased can't defend themselves...    or he could have been riding recklessly, no one knows...

... but I think most of us know by now that witness statements are one of the most unreliable forms of evidence.

 

RIP to the Brit....

[MalcolmB]

56 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Heroin addict too ??...        

I doubt it.

[chickenslegs]

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

He was overtaking to mix that with a bit of speed.

 

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Heroin addict too ??...        

 

22 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I doubt it.

Whooooosh!

[Gottfrid]

11 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Completely agree... 

There are lots of different types of riders, and while riding here in Thailand clearly carries an elevated risk compared to driving a car or riding a motorcycle in our home countries, we can remove ourselves from the elevated layers of the risk profile by riding within certain boundaries..  (not riding at night, not speeding, not drunk, wearing kit, riding defensively all the time etc) - thats not to suggest this guy wasn't following common sense rules... the story could be a complete fabrication, the deceased can't defend themselves...    or he could have been riding recklessly, no one knows...

... but I think most of us know by now that witness statements are one of the most unreliable forms of evidence.

 

RIP to the Brit....

Exactly, regarding the witnesses in this case, they are very unreliable as there is none so far that can dispute the stories. That´s the most worrisome thing regarding this accident. The guy could have made everything right, but was forced out in the wrong lane or the pickup driver could suddenly have been over in his lane. Again, something we probably never will get to hear more about.

[Mr Meeseeks]

They drive crazy over there in Myanmar, on the right side with right-hand drive cars. 

[fredwiggy]

17 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Why do you say that? Maybe he would have been driving without belt and same thing happened. Can die easy if have accident without belt. Also, there are different rider regarding motorbikes. some are totally unexperienced, other are nervous at rush hour. After that we have risk takers, and speeders. At last we have the experienced drivers, that always have control and can handle their bikes. So, some will have a long life riding bikes all their life in Thailand. I am one of them, that have riding different 600-1100 cc bikes for about 25 years in this country. I also drive car when taking the family somewhere and sending kids to school.

Fact of the matter is that most of the accidents, including and especially fatal, are involving motorbikes. Reasons besides obvious speeding, overtaking or drunk  are no safe areas surrounding the driver or passengers, helmets are usually not worn, easy to lose control of a 2 wheeled bike, hitting objects in the road with one wheel makes them lose control easy, people who aren't adept at driving a motorbike, too young to drive (not at license age), rainy conditions where it's easier to slide, and oil in the road after rain, which is worse, and more. Some of the best bike riders are killed not because they can't handle a bike but because other drivers who are incompetent, which runs rampant here., hit them from the back or sides.

[Gottfrid]

22 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Some of the best bike riders are killed not because they can't handle a bike but because other drivers who are incompetent, which runs rampant here., hit them from the back or sides.

Ok, all that you wrote in your reply, is basically what I already posted as it can be many reasons. However, the above, I think you have to expand and explain a bit. That basically means that most riders killed in traffic, has been hit or pushed from the side or from the back. I was under the belief that most died of frontal collision and single accidents, as you know speeding and electric poles are a favorite. 😉 

Edited June 7 by Gottfrid

[fredwiggy]

7 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Ok, all that you wrote in your reply, is basically what I already posted as it can be many reasons. However, the above, I think you have to expand and explain a bit. That basically means that most riders killed in traffic, has been hit or pushed from the side or from the back. I was under the belief that most died of frontal collision and single accidents, as you know speeding and electric poles are a favorite. 😉 

I just pointed out that most accidents, usually around 85%, involve bikes, and the reasons why so many die daily, have been, and will continue to, until laws are enforced. There are many that die in single bike collisions, where drinking, speed and incompetency factor in. Most of which involve not wearing helmets.

[retarius]

RIP. A nasty reminder that Thai roads are dangerous for motorbikers.

[transam]

13 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Probably not wearing a helmet.

It seems half of them don’t around here.

in Patong so fair chance alcohol involved also, maybe some weed.

He was overtaking to mix that with a bit of speed.

 

A lot of no proof assumptions, from the new bloke, get a life, chap........

[richard_smith237]

53 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Some of the best bike riders are killed not because they can't handle a bike but because other drivers who are incompetent, which runs rampant here., hit them from the back or sides.

 

Agree with your comments - we can remove ourselves from most of the risk factors through our riding behavior, however that its not always possible. 

Yesterday I was riding and a car was about 1m behind me on a slow road, they weren't bulling me out of the way etc, he / she was just an idiot driving too closely for comfort... I had to speed up to get a little more space between us then pull into a 7-11 to let them pass...    they probably have no idea that they were 'too close'......  poor driver training is rampant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[FritsSikkink]

On 6/6/2024 at 8:50 AM, Gottfrid said:

Yeah, I reacted to that too. Very reliable witnesses, with absolutely no agenda to save their own skin.

Should be easy to see in what lane the bike of the British driver was and the lane of the pickup truck.

[fredwiggy]

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Agree with your comments - we can remove ourselves from most of the risk factors through our riding behavior, however that its not always possible. 

Yesterday I was riding and a car was about 1m behind me on a slow road, they weren't bulling me out of the way etc, he / she was just an idiot driving too closely for comfort... I had to speed up to get a little more space between us then pull into a 7-11 to let them pass...    they probably have no idea that they were 'too close'......  poor driver training is rampant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Almost every time I go to Lotus or another grocery store. people in vehicles will not allow me, the pedestrian, right of way. This is a law back home, and you will be ticketed, yet that will never happen here, because of the lack of concern for others I see daily. I get cut off on the road all the time, and I've had many people pass me on the right, when I was on the right lane, going over the speed limit by a bit. They would rather head into oncoming traffic, risking not only their life but others coming in the other direction, than go around me in the left lane. Thinking they own the road, and I must move out of their way. I come from New Jersey, home of the defensive drivers, and you don't see this behavior anywhere near as much as I do here. I've had people in cars come within inches of me a few times while I was driving a scooter in the scooter lane, going way over the speed limit. It's like you aren't there. This is yet another reason I will leave here with my daughter way before she's allowed to be on the road driving.

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

On 6/6/2024 at 8:50 AM, Gottfrid said:

Yeah, I reacted to that too. Very reliable witnesses, with absolutely no agenda to save their own skin.

Should be easy to see in what lane the bike of the British driver was and the lane of the pickup truck.

 

True...  But the deceased could have been 'pushed / nudged' into the oncoming lane by the other motorcyclists.... plenty of reasons that could explain the crash was not the fault of the deceased, equally so, plenty of reasons to suggest he could be solely at fault. 

 

 

The picture below shows the bike of the deceased on the wrong side of the road.

https://www.thephuketnews.com/british-tourist-killed-in-motorbike-accident-92537.php

 

Witness statements suggesting the deceased was riding (over taking) and heading directly towards the oncoming pickup and rode straight into it - which IMO, seems very odd, but every odd things do happen on the roads here. 

 

I'm wondering if it wasn't more that, the decreased was over-taking, passing a line of vehicles down the centre-line of the road, and another motorcyclist pulled out either hitting the passing rider and / or forcing him to swerve into oncoming traffic... for who actually rides directly into oncoming traffic ???? (I know, we've seen examples of this too in Thailand)... 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Almost every time I go to Lotus or another grocery store. people in vehicles will not allow me, the pedestrian, right of way. This is a law back home, and you will be ticketed, yet that will never happen here, because of the lack of concern for others I see daily. I get cut off on the road all the time, and I've had many people pass me on the right, when I was on the right lane, going over the speed limit by a bit. They would rather head into oncoming traffic, risking not only their life but others coming in the other direction, than go around me in the left lane. Thinking they own the road, and I must move out of their way. I come from New Jersey, home of the defensive drivers, and you don't see this behavior anywhere near as much as I do here. I've had people in cars come within inches of me a few times while I was driving a scooter in the scooter lane, going way over the speed limit. It's like you aren't there. This is yet another reason I will leave here with my daughter way before she's allowed to be on the road driving.

 

True....    Having driven in numerous countries, Thailand is not the worst.... 

The Middle East is absolutely awful there - the aggression on the roads in the UAE and Qatar is astonishing, not outward agression, but a degree of 'pushing and assertiveness' that makes driving in Thailand relaxing. 

In other area's, we can't drive - its just too risky and laws are no fit for foreigners driving, so we have 'security escorts' etc....

 

Driving in Japan on the other hand is a pleasure...  Both Wife and I have driven there, no issues, everyone follows the rules, the roads are easy to navigate with a logical layout, the signage is clear, google Maps works well etc... everyone on the road is polite. 

 

The UK seems to be getting worse, with half the people driving aggressively or assertively, with the other half getting upset if they witness a perceived sleight by you been in the imperfect lane at a large traffic island etc... 

 

I find driving in Thailand very easy too... but thats simply because I learned not to worry about motorcyclists getting 1mm from my mirrors, rear, or cutting in front of me... it's for them to work out of there is space or not, yet on daily basis I have to brake hard to avoid a motorcyclist who 'got it wrong'...    

 

The real tell for me is: 

- Driving in Japan I don't see anything silly and end up thinking - blooming fool !!!...

- Driving in the UK, on the two hour trip from the Airport, I may see a couple of  people on the motorway driving stupidly, tailgating a lorry or sticking in the middle lane. 

- Driving in Thailand, within minutes of being on the road from the airport, I've seen something that makes me think 'woah - idiot.... what a pi!!ock, he nearly took them out'....    and this is before we even reach the motorway where I see numerous more examples... people on phones, babies being held in the front seat, delivery pickups swerving through traffic... 

 

What does surprise me is how few accidents there are here compared to the manner in which people drive - on that I have to compliment the Thai driving skills, as they drive too closely to each other, cut each other up, force their way in... yet there are few accidents compared to what one would imagine there would be when looking at the manner of driving here....   Another compliment is the temperament of the drivers, while there much reason for it, there is actually very little road rage here. 

 

[Gottfrid]

55 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

for who actually rides directly into oncoming traffic ????

That would certainly be the definition of an idiot. 🙂 But, on the other hand, we have a few over here. 

Edited June 7 by Gottfrid

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

True...  But the deceased could have been 'pushed / nudged' into the oncoming lane by the other motorcyclists.... plenty of reasons that could explain the crash was not the fault of the deceased, equally so, plenty of reasons to suggest he could be solely at fault. 

 

 

The picture below shows the bike of the deceased on the wrong side of the road.

https://www.thephuketnews.com/british-tourist-killed-in-motorbike-accident-92537.php

 

Witness statements suggesting the deceased was riding (over taking) and heading directly towards the oncoming pickup and rode straight into it - which IMO, seems very odd, but every odd things do happen on the roads here. 

 

I'm wondering if it wasn't more that, the decreased was over-taking, passing a line of vehicles down the centre-line of the road, and another motorcyclist pulled out either hitting the passing rider and / or forcing him to swerve into oncoming traffic... for who actually rides directly into oncoming traffic ???? (I know, we've seen examples of this too in Thailand)... 

 

 

 

 

 

Looks like a bad place to overtake, not much space in the left lane.

[Captain Flack]

A number of bickering posts removed.

[Andre0720]

On 6/5/2024 at 8:35 PM, newbee2022 said:

Today we have another sad story about a Brit to read.

To ride a motorbike in Thailand is not for a long life. Driving a car he would have been alive.

RIP

 

Not coming to Thailand would have kept him alive. Not driving a motorbike would have kept him alive. Not going out of his house would have kept him alive.

What is it with these not not not.

How about this one positive one here: Driving slowly, responsibly, following the traffic would have kept him alive...

[Moonlover]

On 6/6/2024 at 10:35 AM, newbee2022 said:

Today we have another sad story about a Brit to read.

To ride a motorbike in Thailand is not for a long life. Driving a car he would have been alive.

RIP

 

If he had been driving a car in the same reckless manner as he was riding, he could have killed the Thai motorcyclist or the pick up driver.

 

Would you have been ok with that?