Is This the Britain the D-Day Generation Fought to Save?

[Chomper Higgot]

23 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The U.Ks recent high immigration figures are because of the influx of Ukrainians and Hong Kongers , nothing to do with Brexit

Well that and the loss of control of the nation‘s borders.

[Red Forever]

Has the looney right wing Torygraph taken over A.N? I think we should be told.

 

[nauseus]

33 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

The vote to join the EEC in 1975 was not voted for by a majority of the electorate receiving ~17m out of a potential ~40m votes.  There wasn't even a vote allowed on the treaty that turned the trading block membership into a European union and certainly no white paper in 1975 explaining that what people would actually be voting for would be a political union rather than a trading block.   If you are going to use that argument then you need to realise that it works both ways and the UK would never have joined in the first place using your logic.  

 

The 1975 referendum was allowed by Wilson, after the UK had already been ramrodded into the EEC by Heath. You are right, at the time this was still commonly sold in the UK as The Common Market, a ploy which largely successfully duped most of the people into thinking that this was essentially an economic alliance. But it weren't. were it? 

[Nick Carter icp]

21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well that and the loss of control of the nation‘s borders.

 

   Quite the opposite , the UK now has control of its own borders rather than Brussels controlling them 

[johnnybangkok]

13 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

Eighty years have passed since the D-Day landings, yet the valor and sacrifice of the tens of thousands of troops who fought to liberate Europe from tyranny remain a shining beacon of courage and selflessness. We rightly celebrate the dwindling number of veterans and honor their fallen comrades, expressing our gratitude for their immeasurable contributions. However, there is a profound sadness in recognizing that the Britain these heroes fought to defend seems to be fading away before our very eyes.

 

It is tragic to witness the casual abandonment of the freedoms they sacrificed so much to preserve. Perhaps most galling is the perception that many Britons today despise the very country these heroes sought to protect. The most fundamental freedom of all—freedom of speech—is under threat. In today’s Britain, holding an unpopular opinion often results in abuse, professional ruin, and social ostracization.

 

Consider the experiences of Graham Linehan, Rosie Duffield, Kathleen Stock, and countless others who have faced severe backlash for expressing their views. Ironically, social media, which was once seen as a platform for free expression, has often become a tool for silencing dissenting voices. Without freedom of speech, true democracy cannot exist. This erosion of free expression was starkly highlighted by the attempts, spearheaded by Sir Keir Starmer, to overturn the Brexit referendum, treating the democratic will of the people as a mere inconvenience.

 

The erosion of freedoms does not stop with speech. The COVID-19 pandemic revealed a troubling willingness among many Britons to surrender their liberties. During the pandemic, draconian lockdown measures were not only accepted but, in many cases, demanded. People cheered for severe restrictions, even at the cost of their children's education and social development. Fear proved to be a powerful tool in persuading the public to accept, and even call for, stringent controls on their lives.

 

Sir Keir Starmer emerged as a leading advocate for lockdowns, frequently criticizing the government for any relaxation of restrictions. However, it was a Conservative prime minister who initially imposed these extreme measures. This bipartisan embrace of restrictive policies raises concerns about the future of personal freedom in Britain.

 

Another threat to liberty is the rise of "wokery," a social philosophy characterized by judging historical figures and events by contemporary standards and dividing society into oppressors and oppressed. This worldview condemns Britain’s past as a source of shame and seeks to reconstruct its present according to modern ideological norms. Consequently, we see absurdities such as convicted male rapists being sent to female prisons upon declaring themselves women, the defacement of Winston Churchill’s statue, and a populace increasingly reliant on the government for guidance on how to live their lives.

 

Any country will inevitably change over the course of eight decades, and Britain is no exception. However, the determination to protect and cherish freedom should remain a constant. This was the essence of what D-Day represented. Imagine if the thousands of young men who died on those beaches could see Britain today in 2024. Would they recognize the country they sacrificed their lives to protect? Would they understand how easily we have surrendered our liberties?

 

The decline of free speech, the eagerness to relinquish personal freedoms, and the rise of divisive social ideologies suggest a Britain that might be unrecognizable to the D-Day generation. It is imperative that we reflect on this trajectory and recommit ourselves to the principles of freedom and democracy that so many fought and died to defend. Only then can we truly honor their legacy and ensure that their sacrifices were not in vain.

 

Credit: Daily Telegraph 2024-06-08

 

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Sensationalist nonsense coming from a predominately right wing newspaper, bemoaning the UK's descent into "wokery' when all that is happening is what has been happening for decades i.e. if you live by the sword then be prepared to die by the sword.

Both Kathleen Stock and and in particular Graham Linehan (Rosie Duffield to a lesser extent) decided to stick their heads above the parapet in regards to the trans debate. Linehan went as far as to compare the medical treatment of transgender teenagers (with puberty blockers) to Nazi human experimentation. Now if you go down that road then you also need to understand that a LOT of people are going to disagree with you and you will face some serious backlash. You can argue that this is curtailing free speech but much like the usual analogy of shouting 'fire' in a crowded cinema, free speech doesn't automatically come with freedom of consequences. Now this isn't a rant for pro-trans rights because I really don't care what someone wants to call themselves (call yourself a banana for all I care) and neither do the vast majority of people I know but my point is if you want to immerse yourself in a debate that doesn't really affect you personally, then just be prepared for the consequences.

Saying that, I firmly believe that both Kathleen Stock and Rosie Duffield were unfairly vilified; Stock for just liking a Graham Linehan post and Duffield for opposing transgender self-identification. But again if the debate was about them being anti-sematic or racist or condoning pedophilia then there wouldn't be a debate at all; they would just be rightly hounded, ostracised and dropped from society but because it's THEIR views on trans rights we now have to agree it's an erosion of ALL of our freedoms? I don't think so. I don't see the leap that I personally am suffering from an 'erosion of freedoms' but then again, I don't get involved in something I have very little concern about and that is likely to attract so much controversy.

I do agree that 'Any country will inevitably change over the course of eight decades, and Britain is no exception' but unlike the author, I think it's changing for the better because having lived in the UK for 40 years through the 70's, 80's, 90's and the early 2000's, I see less racism, less misogamy, less homophobia, more tolerance for other cultures, more tolerance for other religions and more open mindedness when it comes to sexual identity. 

It's easy to cherry pick a  couple of examples where it has possibly gone too far but on the whole, this 'wokeness' is mainly an opportunity to call out people with abhorrent ideas that don't align with a young, modern generation who are willing to give anyone a chance to just be themselves. To argue otherwise is just sensationalist journalism, created yet again to stoke the fires of controversy to a nationalistic audience just itching to be offended by matters that have very little consequences to themselves personally.    

Edited June 8 by johnnybangkok

[Purdey]

Our grandparents likely knew nothing of why they went to war, or the global politics at the time, or that the Daily Mail and King Edward XIII supported Hitler. They were very ignorant of the world compared with people today (education-wise). The Americans didn't get involved until 1942 (the war started in 1939). No one had any idea about the concentration camps and gas chambers until they found them. 

Looking at the war with rose-tinted glasses does not help anyone.

Edited June 8 by Purdey

[kidneyw]

2 hours ago, soalbundy said:

What pronouns are you using today?

It is people like you that have fckud up the UK.

[Thingamabob]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

 

The vote to join the EEC in 1975 was not voted for by a majority of the electorate receiving ~17m out of a potential ~40m votes.  There wasn't even a vote allowed on the treaty that turned the trading block membership into a European union and certainly no white paper in 1975 explaining that what people would actually be voting for would be a political union rather than a trading block.   If you are going to use that argument then you need to realise that it works both ways and the UK would never have joined in the first place using your logic.  

The way in which Heath treated the dominions and former colonies when we entered the EEC was a disgrace. They were ignored. We should have encouraged a better, closer working relationship with them rather than joining with Europe. 

[jinners]

3 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

If you ask the people nowadays, Britain would stay in the Union. They can see now the outcome and it will not a good one over the years.

More migrants than ever before, no workforce, poor NHS, rotten infrastructure without subsidies from EU, diminished to a back stage country, clinging on US, no international influence.

To have a say in Europe's future a membership in EU is the only way. I hope Starmer will correct the mistake.🙏

 

'If you ask the people nowadays, Britain would stay in the Union. They can see now the outcome and it will not a good one over the years.'

 

My goodness you remoaners will never stop will you? Never stop saying how terrible things are due to Bexit. Yawn.  We had a referendum. The majority wanted out. Get over it FFS.

The people I know and talk with still want to be out. The difference is they want Brexit to do what it was actually supposed to do. Instead we've had nothing but obfuscation and underhand political dealing from Then remoaner in chief May, right up to present day when Brexit is discussed but never enacted. What is it exactly that you so cannot live without? The unelected leaders. Billion paid for the dubious honour of being a member. Corruption and accounts that have never been signed off. The under the table deals with the 2 main signatories, Germany and France? The problems you mention are due to poor governance and have zero to do with Brexit, how can you not see that? From the ever expanding immigration, both legal and illegal which could be stopped overnight with a backbone. No workforce. With 11 million being paid to stay at home on benefits, really? Poor NHS. That's pretty sad to throw that in when consecutive governments just keep throwing more money at it when it needs a complete overhaul. Rotten infrastructure. Yes because the cupboard is bare and 12 million a day on illegals is not helping. Covid debts have taken the countries debt to the highest since WWII, or was Covid due to Brexit as well. Diminished says who? You probably, and all your remoaner mates. If you want Starmer to revoke the most important referendum in a generation, then you are also probably hoping he's the right man for the job when the Tories get a real kicking at the elecetion. Rightfully so. 

 

Deluded doesn't come close

[Thingamabob]

39 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Our grandparents likely knew nothing of why they went to war, or the global politics at the time, or that the Daily Mail and King Edward XIII supported Hitler. They were very ignorant of the world compared with people today (education-wise). The Americans didn't get involved until 1942 (the war started in 1939). No one had any idea about the concentration camps and gas chambers until they found them. 

Looking at the war with rose-tinted glasses does not help anyone.

The majority, at all levels, were opposed to Britain being dragged into a second world war. At the same time, however, the majority supported a major increase in Britain's defensive capability on the land and sea, and in the air.

[Thingamabob]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Quite the opposite , the UK now has control of its own borders rather than Brussels controlling them 

Surely you mean the UK should now have control of its own borders..?

[newbee2022]

10 minutes ago, jinners said:

 

'If you ask the people nowadays, Britain would stay in the Union. They can see now the outcome and it will not a good one over the years.'

 

My goodness you remoaners will never stop will you? Never stop saying how terrible things are due to Bexit. Yawn.  We had a referendum. The majority wanted out. Get over it FFS.

The people I know and talk with still want to be out. The difference is they want Brexit to do what it was actually supposed to do. Instead we've had nothing but obfuscation and underhand political dealing from Then remoaner in chief May, right up to present day when Brexit is discussed but never enacted. What is it exactly that you so cannot live without? The unelected leaders. Billion paid for the dubious honour of being a member. Corruption and accounts that have never been signed off. The under the table deals with the 2 main signatories, Germany and France? The problems you mention are due to poor governance and have zero to do with Brexit, how can you not see that? From the ever expanding immigration, both legal and illegal which could be stopped overnight with a backbone. No workforce. With 11 million being paid to stay at home on benefits, really? Poor NHS. That's pretty sad to throw that in when consecutive governments just keep throwing more money at it when it needs a complete overhaul. Rotten infrastructure. Yes because the cupboard is bare and 12 million a day on illegals is not helping. Covid debts have taken the countries debt to the highest since WWII, or was Covid due to Brexit as well. Diminished says who? You probably, and all your remoaner mates. If you want Starmer to revoke the most important referendum in a generation, then you are also probably hoping he's the right man for the job when the Tories get a real kicking at the elecetion. Rightfully so. 

 

Deluded doesn't come close

Good that you have your excuses. Dream on🙏

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Surely you mean the UK should now have control of its own borders..?

 

  I did not mean that , no . 

[Thingamabob]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  I did not mean that , no . 

So, in your opinion our borders are being controlled.  For starters, quite a few people seem to be entering illegally via the channel, almost every day.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Thingamabob said:

So, in your opinion our borders are being controlled.  For starters, quite a few people seem to be entering illegally via the channel, almost every day.

 

  Brexit didn't mean sinking the boats in the Channel and stopping them 

[Thingamabob]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Brexit didn't mean sinking the boats in the Channel and stopping them 

On that I agree with you.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Purdey said:

Our grandparents likely knew nothing of why they went to war, or the global politics at the time, or that the Daily Mail and King Edward XIII supported Hitler. They were very ignorant of the world compared with people today (education-wise). The Americans didn't get involved until 1942 (the war started in 1939). No one had any idea about the concentration camps and gas chambers until they found them. 

Looking at the war with rose-tinted glasses does not help anyone.

 

A truly insulting statement. The British and their alliies knew exactly why they fought and what they faught for. 

[stoner]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

No mention of face covering in that new law ! Shame Shame.

 

methinks

 

the face covering is their MAGA hat. 

[KannikaP]

3 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Most soldiers didn't fight for democracy and freedom, they had to because they were called up.

Totally agree. Those men had no say in the matter. Get on that ship to Normandy or jail.

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

the face covering is their MAGA hat. 

 

   That is in America .

This thread is about the U.K 

[stoner]

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That is in America .

This thread is about the U.K 

 

Same philosophy different country. 

[transam]

52 minutes ago, jinners said:

 

'If you ask the people nowadays, Britain would stay in the Union. They can see now the outcome and it will not a good one over the years.'

 

 

Why's that, they need Benidorm......?         😂

[KannikaP]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Quite the opposite , the UK now has control of its own borders rather than Brussels controlling them 

So why have thousands landed this year alone.

Did Brussels not say that anyone in dingys can stay where they land

Edited June 8 by KannikaP

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

So why have thousands landed this year alone.

Did Brussels not say that anyone in dingys can stay where they land

 

   Brexit was about controlling the borders in regards to legal immigration.

The U.K  allowing who it wants to enter in, rather than Brussels telling us who to let in . 

[VBF]

47 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Brexit didn't mean sinking the boats in the Channel and stopping them 

But that would have been a damn good idea when they first started!

Word would have gone back and no-one would have dared try it again.

In this instance "gunboat diplomacy" would have been spot on!

Do what Thailand does - no visa or other permission to enter UK....Foxtrot Oscar 🤬

[transam]

12 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

So why have thousands landed this year alone.

Did Brussels not say that anyone in dingys can stay where they land

Because they can't be shot, they cannot be turned around, the UK's hands are tied, sadly not the spongers in boats...

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, proton said:

er no, it might be Eid but is just a few more than normal, lived here once! 77 Mosques, and of course a muslim Lord Mayor.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

20 minutes ago, transam said:

Because they can't be shot, they cannot be turned around, the UK's hands are tied, sadly not the spongers in boats...

Says migrant.

[riclag]

45 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That is in America .

This thread is about the U.K 

I was commenting on the law you posted . The law doesn’t mention anything about concealing one face while  protesting ! Scarfs used around protesters faces indicative of many who support the pro hamas terror supporters world wide!Its a hindrance 

to police investigation especially if its involved in unlawful activities in a protest.

“Under public order legislation, serious disruption may occur when protest activity prevents or hinders day to day activities or construction or maintenance works, causes delays to deliveries of time-sensitive products or disrupts access to essential goods and services in a way which is more than minor”.

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, riclag said:

I was commenting on the law you posted . The law doesn’t mention anything about concealing one face while  protesting ! Scarfs used around protesters faces indicative of many who support the pro hamas terror supporters world wide!Its a hindrance 

to police investigation especially if its involved in unlawful activities in a protest.

“Under public order legislation, serious disruption may occur when protest activity prevents or hinders day to day activities or construction or maintenance works, causes delays to deliveries of time-sensitive products or disrupts access to essential goods and services in a way which is more than minor”.

You have read the first and the fifth amendments?