The Surge of Islamist Violence: Why the West Remains Silent

[kevozman1]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

More like: can the west survive if they allow the Islamists to use democratic and liberal values against it?

 

This situation is directly due to liberal "leaders" allowing mass immigration of an alien culture ( that despises everything about liberal values ) into their countries.

Ask yourself why there is zero desire for western folk to emigrate in large numbers into Islamic countries.

 

If ever there was a case of "shooting oneself in the foot" it was the desire of some to allow mass immigration of the aliens in the first place.

Islamists who have sided with Leftists are the ones who have shot themselves in the foot. They aren't chess playing people and if I can see them coming, the people who run the show could see their grandparents coming a mile off. This is the bait stage, they will not enjoy the switch once they are 3-4 generations in and have been fully deracinated from their homelands.

[newbee2022]

51 minutes ago, riclag said:

Silent! BS!

Le Pen election just answered in a most loud response!

Well, it's loud, but not an answer for imminent problems 🙏

[Srikcir]

"Islam is not a race, yet Islamophobia partakes of racist characteristics. Most Muslims do not "choose" Islam in the way that they choose to become doctors or lawyers, nor even in the way that they choose to become fans of Coldplay or Radiohead. Most Muslims, like people of any faith, are born into their religion. They then evolve their own relationship with it, their own, individual, view of life, their own micro-religion, so to speak."

'Mohsin Hamid: 'Islam is not a monolith' - https://www.theguardian.com/global/2013/may/19/

 

"..remove Islam from the path of history, and the world ends up exactly where it is today." October 8, 2009

https://foreignpolicy.com/

 

Whenever in mankind's history has the human race in all its genetic variations been a docile and gentle peoples?

[Grusa]

2 hours ago, Celsius said:

 

The name you are looking for is tourists.

my visa says "non-immigrant" ....... what does yours say?

[placeholder]

7 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

Last week, a 25-year-old Afghan man went on a stabbing spree in Mannheim, southwestern Germany, resulting in the death of a police officer and injuries to five others. Captured on video, the attack showed the assailant repeatedly stabbing several people, including the officer, who was attacked in the head and neck. The officer, Rouven L., aged 29, was trying to protect Michael Stürzenberger, a blogger known for his critical views on Islam, who was wounded but survived.

 

Despite the clear indications of an Islamist motive, it took four days for authorities to acknowledge the connection. Justice Minister Marco Buschmann tweeted, “Islam belongs to Germany, but Islamism does not. It is a deadly form of fanaticism. There is now clear evidence of an Islamist motive for the crime in #Mannheim.”

 

This incident is part of a growing trend of Islamist stabbings, riots, and violent demonstrations across the West, particularly in Europe. These violent episodes are increasing in frequency and severity. In April, a bishop and a priest were stabbed during services in a Sydney suburb by a 16-year-old attacker who shouted “Allahu Akbar.” In March, four individuals linked to “violent Islamist extremism” were arrested in Stockholm. UK Member of Parliament Mike Freer resigned in January due to threats from Islamists, underscored by the murder of his colleague David Amess in October 2021 by Ali Harbi Ali, who targeted officials supporting airstrikes against Syria.

 

France and Belgium have witnessed numerous attacks since the October 7 Hamas attack in Israel. A Chechen killed a teacher in Arras, France, a Tunisian national fatally shot two Swedes in Brussels, and a Muslim man killed a German tourist in Paris. Another incident involved a mass stabbing at a party in Crépol, southern France, where Muslim teenagers reportedly declared, “We’re here to kill whites.” In April 2022, two gay men in Sligo, Ireland, were tortured and decapitated by an Iraqi immigrant who cited religious reasons, yet officials and LGBTQ activists framed the murders strictly as homophobic.

 

In Oslo, a mass shooting in June 2022 left two dead and 21 wounded, which police described as an “act of Islamist terrorism.” German authorities arrested five teenagers in April on allegations of plotting an “Islamist-motivated terror attack.” The near-fatal stabbing of novelist Salman Rushdie in upstate New York in August 2022 was carried out by a radicalized New Jersey man whose parents emigrated from Lebanon.

 

These violent acts have raised concerns about the upcoming Olympic Summer Games in Paris. French authorities have scaled back plans for the opening ceremony, citing Islamist terrorism as the main threat.

 

Additionally, there has been a surge in violent pro-Hamas demonstrations across Europe. These protests, which have often celebrated the killing and raping of Jews as a form of liberation, have contributed to a sense of resignation in the West. The shock and outrage that once accompanied such attacks have diminished, replaced by a troubling acceptance.

 

When attacks occur, the response from media and officials follows a predictable pattern: calls for restraint in judgment, followed by a shift in focus to fears of far-right retaliation once Islamist motives are confirmed. This deflection often leads to the victimization of the attacked rather than the attackers. For instance, blogger Michael Stürzenberger in Mannheim and the staffers of Charlie Hebdo, murdered in Paris in 2015, have been scrutinized for their views rather than focusing on their attackers.

 

This reluctance to confront Islamist violence head-on or the immediate deflection to far-right threats creates a cognitive dissonance. Many people worry about the increasing violence but feel powerless to address it. Europe's postwar stupor and reluctance to defend national and Western interests exacerbate the issue.

 

Salwan Momika, an Iraqi refugee in Sweden known for publicly burning Qurans, articulated a stark perspective: “As an atheist, I must be realistic and believe that the West must return to its Christian roots so that it can fight the project of Islamizing the West.” He argued that Islam cannot be fought with liberal naivety or democratic laws because it exploits democracy to further its aims.

 

The question remains: Can the West combat the Islamist threat without abandoning the democratic and liberal values that define it? Without addressing this issue, the far right may gain ground, proposing extreme measures like mass deportations, which are gaining popularity, as evidenced by the rise of the Alternative for Germany party.

 

Addressing Islamist violence directly and honestly is essential to prevent the far right from filling the void. It is a difficult conversation but necessary to protect the values and safety of Western societies.

 

Credit: The Free Press 2024-06-10

 

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Did anybody bother to add up the numbers here. These murders span a period of 9 years and in countries whose populations totaled up exceeds 500 million.

I remember the dire prophecies about what would happen after Merkel let in 1 million refugees from the Mideast. Massive numbers of deaths were prophesized. Germany as a nation would fall apart. Etc...

[0ffshore360]

IMHO there seems to be a deliberate ignorance of the fact that the majority of the issues with violence from immigrant Muslims is that they originate from regions that have been devastated economically and socially by Western interference which has created emigration.

While people might be expected to appreciate escape to the "safety" of a Western location it should be of no surprise the same people harbor intense anger and/or hatred for the imposed need to escape.

 

 

[digger70]

8 hours ago, save the frogs said:

I just looked up Michael Stürzenberger's Youtube channel, but it's not in English.

Who knows what kind of garbage he was spewing on his channel?

 

This is trash journalism.

If Muslims decided to uproot their lives to western countries, it wasn't to "kill whites". It was to provide a decent place to raise their families.

Yes, if they are provoked and you insult their religion or argue Muslim immigrants shouldn't be allowed in the country, then they might attack you.

 

So let me get this straight.

Western immigrants in Thailand are complaining about immigrants in their home country?

 

Fact is, westerners are not having enough children, hence the immigration.

The religion has nothing to do with it. They're not dragging "white" people into their mosques and forcing you to believe in their Gods.

 

Live and let live. People can choose to immigrate wherever they like if the country needs people. 

 

There is no denying that strong population growth in countries with a majority of Muslims is correlated with Islam’s exponential rise to prominence as the religion with the quickest rate of expansion. The disproportionate rise in followers is a result of high birth rates and a growing younger population. The global influence of Islam is amplified by the demographic explosion that is occurring in countries with a majority of Muslims.

[nauseus]

9 hours ago, save the frogs said:

I just looked up Michael Stürzenberger's Youtube channel, but it's not in English.

Who knows what kind of garbage he was spewing on his channel?

 

This is trash journalism.

If Muslims decided to uproot their lives to western countries, it wasn't to "kill whites". It was to provide a decent place to raise their families.

Yes, if they are provoked and you insult their religion or argue Muslim immigrants shouldn't be allowed in the country, then they might attack you.

 

So let me get this straight.

Western immigrants in Thailand are complaining about immigrants in their home country?

 

Fact is, westerners are not having enough children, hence the immigration.

The religion has nothing to do with it. They're not dragging "white" people into their mosques and forcing you to believe in their Gods.

 

Live and let live. People can choose to immigrate wherever they like if the country needs people. 

 

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Nobody needs that!

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, 0ffshore360 said:

IMHO there seems to be a deliberate ignorance of the fact that the majority of the issues with violence from immigrant Muslims is that they originate from regions that have been devastated economically and socially by Western interference which has created emigration.

While people might be expected to appreciate escape to the "safety" of a Western location it should be of no surprise the same people harbor intense anger and/or hatred for the imposed need to escape.

 

 

 

And you talk about ignorance. You have no idea.

[newbee2022]

8 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

The politicians who opened the borders for immigrants from other cultures forgot to set up a test when applying for asylum .

They come from countries where daily life was completely different to life in Europe . Young men that grew up in their country in times of war , repression , blatant injustice , have a tendency to become easily enraged and violent .

A test to be filled out and a psychological evaluation of every ( male ) individual applying for asylum or residency would have been logical and necessary , but the politicians have been to naive to see that .

They only stay in the best hotels when they travel stay with people similar them ...

They simply ignored the state of mind of the young men from war-torn countries , and just let millions in ...

Big mistake , should let the good ones in , and leave the bad ones out ...

Sounds a little familiar , doesn't it ?

That's a post like children would send.

"Good ones in..."

Who is good please?

"A test"

What kind of test?

You obviously don't know the difference between asylum seekers, migrants and immigrants.

So, if I would move from Dublin to London I have to pass what test??? Ridiculous.

And if someone is saved from drowning in an inflatable between Africa and Europe he has to pass what test?

And if an IT specialist or a doctor from Tokyo get a job offer for Liverpool he has to pass what test?

Oh dear, greetings from Darwin. Mission not accomplished 😂😂😂

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, placeholder said:

Did anybody bother to add up the numbers here. These murders span a period of 9 years and in countries whose populations totaled up exceeds 500 million.

I remember the dire prophecies about what would happen after Merkel let in 1 million refugees from the Mideast. Massive numbers of deaths were prophesized. Germany as a nation would fall apart. Etc...

 

So how many is OK for you?

[0ffshore360]

12 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

And you talk about ignorance. You have no idea.

Rather short of reason but never mind.

You do know that around two thousand years  back it is said that a Middle Eastern man preached peace, humility and tolerance before being crucified for being a public nuisance. Pretty much ever since his followers have consistently set about  killing millions who failed to join them.

Not much changes .

 

[bumpkin]

Maybe  I have the exact details wrong, but I recall a certain German Chancellor,   telling the world   -   “Wir schaffen das!”     We can do it !    “Welcome to Germany; we will accommodate you.” 

 

 

 

[simple1]

Who is the author of this OP? 

[simple1]

8 hours ago, riclag said:

Silent! BS!

Le Pen election just answered in a most loud response!

 For years le Pen has been pro Putin, now getting closer to power changing her tune somewhat. I would never trust her.

 

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2022/04/21/what-are-marine-le-pen-s-ties-to-vladimir-putin-s-russia_5981192_8.html#:~:text=Since January 2011%2C she became,human rights and international law.

[save the frogs]

2 hours ago, digger70 said:

There is no denying that strong population growth in countries with a majority of Muslims is correlated with Islam’s exponential rise to prominence as the religion with the quickest rate of expansion. The disproportionate rise in followers is a result of high birth rates and a growing younger population. The global influence of Islam is amplified by the demographic explosion that is occurring in countries with a majority of Muslims.

Do you feel threatened by the number of people who follow a religion different than yours expanding?

 

I don't. 

I wish there would be more Pastafarians like me, but I won't lose too much sleep over it. 

[nauseus]

47 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Rather short of reason but never mind.

You do know that around two thousand years  back it is said that a Middle Eastern man preached peace, humility and tolerance before being crucified for being a public nuisance. Pretty much ever since his followers have consistently set about  killing millions who failed to join them.

Not much changes .

 

 

Especially your cobblers.

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4 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

So how many is OK for you?

How many homicides of any sort from any party are okay with you? Such a foolish question.

[john donson]

the politicians that warned for this 40 years ago were shunt by other parties...

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

How many homicides of any sort from any party are okay with you? Such a foolish question.

 

The OP headline is quite specific. What is foolish is your sliding off topic.                                                   

[CallumWK]

1 hour ago, john donson said:

the politicians that warned for this 40 years ago were shunt by other parties...

 

I know some who were murdered for it, and others who needed 24/7 security, and even change identity and live in secret places

[CallumWK]

7 hours ago, simple1 said:

For years le Pen has been pro Putin, now getting closer to power changing her tune somewhat. I would never trust her.

 

This is not about Le Penn. All over the world, except in the Middle East, anti-islam parties are gaining popularity and even get to lead the country.

 

You think those voters are youtube followers, or actually the general population who have enough of it?

 

Immigration is happening for decades, and countries needed it, but this is something different from the East, and South, Europeans who migrated here to look for a job

Edited June 10 by CallumWK

[EVENKEEL]

8 hours ago, placeholder said:

How many homicides of any sort from any party are okay with you? Such a foolish question.

No, a very good question. You said the number of homicides were minimal in so many words. Then certainly there's a maximum number of homicides in your way of thinking.

[simple1]

6 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

This is not about Le Penn. All over the world, except in the Middle East, anti-islam parties are gaining popularity and even get to lead the country.

 

You think those voters are youtube followers, or actually the general population who have enough of it?

 

Immigration is happening for decades, and countries needed it, but this is something different from the East, and South, Europeans who migrated here to look for a job

 

I responded to a member who referenced le Pen as the best for France. I disagree, extremism is never the answer. France is already on the right track by deporting Islamist Imams; an example...

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68378736

Edited June 11 by simple1

[Gweiloman]

19 hours ago, 0ffshore360 said:

IMHO there seems to be a deliberate ignorance of the fact that the majority of the issues with violence from immigrant Muslims is that they originate from regions that have been devastated economically and socially by Western interference which has created emigration.

While people might be expected to appreciate escape to the "safety" of a Western location it should be of no surprise the same people harbor intense anger and/or hatred for the imposed need to escape.

 

 

My sentiments exactly.

 

The obvious question most westerners fail to acknowledge is what’s the motive behind such attacks? Something as senseless as Brenda Spencer’s dislike of Mondays? Or something more fundamental like wanting revenge on a society that has killed off your family and loved ones? Why don’t we see attacks like this in countries like Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, China, Malaysia, Indonesia? The Bali bombing and the attack on Jkt Marriott were very specific and targeted attacks on mostly whites.

 

You can bet that if a country (mostly they are western ones sadly) dropped a bomb on my homeland and killed my loved ones, I will be plotting revenge day in and day out.

 

In any case, these instances are few and far in between. In 2023, there was something like 643 mass shootings  in that peace loving country across the pond. People there are more likely to be killed by cops (3 a day on average) than by an Islamic extremist.

[save the frogs]

Here are people gathering in Italy with fascist salutes .... Europe is probably the most screwed up place to live in the world. 

 

 

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8 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

The OP headline is quite specific. What is foolish is your sliding off topic.                                                   

According to your way of thinking, it's irrelevant whether or not the evidence supports the allegation. And to point that out is somehow off topic.

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2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

No, a very good question. You said the number of homicides were minimal in so many words. Then certainly there's a maximum number of homicides in your way of thinking.

"in so many words" Your grasp of the English here is feeble. Minimal is not the opposite of maximum. And what exactly is the point of raising the issue of "maximum number of homicides"? Your comment makes no sense.

[JonnyF]

26 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Europe is probably the most screwed up place to live in the world. 

 

Yes, that must be why all the "refugees" are fleeing from war torn countries to live there. 

[save the frogs]

9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yes, that must be why all the "refugees" are fleeing from war torn countries to live there. 

better than a war torn country perhaps.

but that still only makes it one of the taller midgets in the circus.