New COVID Sub-variant KP.2 on the Rise in Thailand

[dinsdale]

55 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

Cool! So nobody's going to die then, you promise?

Just need to look at the numbers. Your chances of dying from Omicron are very slim indeed if you have no severe comorbidities.

[freedomnow]

29 minutes ago, BigBruv said:

 

It will never die on Aseannow.

We're in for life!

 

 

Not even discussed back in UK where I am..non-subject/non-news event now.

Everyone wants to forget basically.

 

Edited June 17 by stats
comment on fellow forum member removed

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Just need to look at the numbers. Your chances of dying from Omicron are very slim indeed if you have no severe comorbidities.

 

Except for....

Comorbidities, multimorbidity and COVID-19

"Modeling studies have estimated that 1.7 billion people globally (22% of the population) have at least one comorbidity that is associated with an increased risk of developing severe COVID-19."

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02156-9

 

 

AND

 

"A study carried out on 5700 COVID-19 patients from 12 hospitals in the USA found diabetes to be the third most common comorbidity (~34% of patients), compared to hypertension (56%) and obesity (42%)."

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10456773/

 

 

The above citations indicate pretty substantial shares of the population at large having some level of COVID comorbidity risk.

 

 

 

Edited June 17 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[dinsdale]

13 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Except for....

Comorbidities, multimorbidity and COVID-19

"Modeling studies have estimated that 1.7 billion people globally (22% of the population) have at least one comorbidity that is associated with an increased risk of developing severe COVID-19."

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02156-9

 

 

AND

 

"A study carried out on 5700 COVID-19 patients from 12 hospitals in the USA found diabetes to be the third most common comorbidity (~34% of patients), compared to hypertension (56%) and obesity (42%)."

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10456773/

 

 

Sorry but how many people died here in the last week? I'd think severe commodities may be present but how many people in Thailand have one or more comorbidities. A very large number would be my guess which is obviously not reflected by the very, very small number of deaths attributed to Covid-19. Seems perspective is needed. We are talking a miniscule number of hospitalisations and an even more miniscule number of deaths in a population somewhere around 70,000,000. 

Edited June 17 by dinsdale

[frank83628]

14 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Except for....

Comorbidities, multimorbidity and COVID-19

"Modeling studies have estimated that 1.7 billion people globally (22% of the population) have at least one comorbidity that is associated with an increased risk of developing severe COVID-19."

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02156-9

 

 

AND

 

"A study carried out on 5700 COVID-19 patients from 12 hospitals in the USA found diabetes to be the third most common comorbidity (~34% of patients), compared to hypertension (56%) and obesity (42%)."

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10456773/

 

 

The above citations indicate pretty substantial shares of the population at large having some level of COVID comorbidity risk.

 

 

 

what about studies in Thailand rather than US, we are here after all!

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

And that studies repeatedly have shown than being up-to-date on COVID XBB variant vaccinations reduces people's risk of serious COVID illness vs. those who haven't received the latest vaccine.

 

Latest COVID-19 vaccines reduce hospitalization risk by around half

"The latest COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk for hospitalization or visits to an ED or urgent care by around 50%, according to interim data published in MMWR.

...

Overall, VE against COVID-19-associated ME or hospitalization was 51% (95% CI = 47%-54%) in the first 7 to 59 days after receiving an updated vaccine dose and 39% (95% CI = 33%-45%) in the 60 to 119 days after an updated vaccine dose.

 

 

https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20240301/latest-covid19-vaccines-reduce-hospitalization-risk-by-around-half

 

or the following from the U.S. CDC:

 

"Protective tools, like vaccines and treatments, that decrease risk of COVID-19 disease (particularly severe disease) are now widely available. COVID-19 vaccination reduces the risk of symptomatic disease and hospitalization by about 50% compared to people not up to date on vaccination. Over 95% of adults hospitalized in 2023-2024 due to COVID-19 had no record of receiving the latest vaccine."

 

https://www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses/background/index.html#:~:text=Over 95% of adults hospitalized,of receiving the latest vaccine

 

 

and natural immunity is how effective in comparison?

[frank83628]

12 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Some here seemingly would have everyone ignore facts and reality like the following:

 

"The latest MoPH report on new weekly COVID hospitalizations shows them continuing a long upward climb since mid-March. The weekly tallies during that recent period have been:

 

March 16 -- 501

March 23 -- 630

March 30 -- 728

April 6 -- 774

April 13 -- 849

April 20 -- 1,004

April 27 -- 1,672

May 4 -- 1,792

May 11 -- 1,880

May 18 - 1,882

May 25 -- 1,801

June 1 -- 1,863

June 8 -- 2,762

June 15 -- 2,881"

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1326140-hospitalizations-climb-in-thailands-spring-2024-covid-surge/?do=findComment&comment=18995834

 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/?dashboard=main

 

 

 

 

and after 14 days how many recovered and left hospital perfectly fine?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Thailand has had weekly new COVID hospitalizations increase five-fold over the past three months to 2,881 last week, and serious condition hospitalizations for COVID right now are at their highest level in a year...

 

and yet, Thailand's official weekly COVID deaths reported have mostly remained in the single digits for most of that time. And the MoPH has in the past indicated it was going to take a narrow approach to what it would consider official COVID deaths.

 

Meanwhile, the UK, with roughly the same size population in Thailand, is regularly reporting 100+ COVID deaths per week where COVID is listed as a cause on the death certificates...  Interesting distinction between COVID deaths in those two countries and how they're reported.

 

UKHSA data dashboard

 

 

https://ukhsa-dashboard.data.gov.uk/

 

 

 

Edited June 17 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[BigBruv]

1 hour ago, freedomnow said:

 

 

Not even discussed back in UK where I am..non-subject/non-news event now.

Everyone wants to forget basically.

 

 

I guess the ongoing posts on here has a lot to do with the (very high) average age of members on here.

 

I agree most people want to forget the whole thing now - mostly out of embarrassment imho.   

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

You've got a lot you're trying to forget. And in my opinion, the millions who lost their lives because of COVID deserve to be remembered, not forgotten, and lessons learned.

 

Per the New York Times in March:

 

The Fourth Anniversary of the Covid Pandemic

 

"The worst pandemic in a century had begun.

...

The true toll

Covid’s confirmed death toll — more than seven million people worldwide — is horrific on its own, and the true toll is much worse. The Economist magazine keeps a running estimate of excess deaths, defined as the number of deaths above what was expected from pre-Covid trends. The global total is approaching 30 million.

 

This number includes both confirmed Covid deaths and undiagnosed ones, which have been common in poorer countries. It includes deaths caused by pandemic disruptions, such as missed doctor appointments that might have prevented other diseases. The isolation of the pandemic also caused a surge of social ills in the U.S., including increases in deaths from alcohol, drugs, vehicle crashes and murders."

 

(more)

 

https://archive.ph/niVyc

 

 

 

Edited June 17 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Caldera]

21 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand is witnessing a swift rise in cases of the COVID-19 KP.2 sub-variant, a mutation overtaking the previously prevalent JN.1 strain.

 

So? Yet another one... 

[stoner]

12 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

You've got a lot you're trying to forget. And in my opinion, the millions who lost their lives because of COVID deserve to be remembered, not forgotten, and lessons learned.

 

we are all forgotten as time moves on. 

[bkk6060]

I have not had a vaccine for a couple of years and I got sick with it (confirmed test) 12 days ago.  Stayed in my head/body aches never got into my chest.  But, may have been the worst headache I can remember no amount of Tylenol would kill the pain. So, the body aches were like a bad Flu.  The headache was like nothing I had every experienced before I thought I had a brain tumor.  Feeling much better now, but everyday I get a similar headache feeling it just comes on suddenly it goes away after about one hour.

 

[Roo Island]

3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Just need to look at the numbers. Your chances of dying from Omicron are very slim indeed if you have no severe comorbidities.

I know several young and healthy people who suffered severely after contracting covid.

[Amethyst]

A post has been removed for making an unsourced and unsubstantiated claim, and for citing a news report that was subsequently contradicted by the source in the report.

 

[Roo Island]

1 hour ago, stoner said:

 

we are all forgotten as time moves on. 

And the history books will document those who denied the virus and potentially caused millions to die. Never forgotten

[stoner]

1 hour ago, Roo Island said:

4 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Just need to look at the numbers. Your chances of dying from Omicron are very slim indeed if you have no severe comorbidities.

I know several young and healthy people who suffered severely after contracting covid.

 

its a good thing the post you replied to was talking about deaths. 

[Bday Prang]

22 hours ago, zakalwe said:

Plus some people are disgusting and will cough or sneeze right into your face. Apparently it is common in Europe.

well it has become  common nowadays  due to the ever increasing number of guests, of course

[dinsdale]

4 hours ago, Roo Island said:

I know several young and healthy people who suffered severely after contracting covid.

How many do you know of that have died and those who had it bad when was this? 

 

[zakalwe]

2 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

well it has become  common nowadays  due to the ever increasing number of guests, of course

I think it is more of a cultural thing. Americans are taught the vampire cough -- cough into your elbow to prevent the spread of germs. Europeans don't really cover up. If they do cover up they will cough into their hands and then touch everything.

[zakalwe]

11 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

You've got a lot you're trying to forget. And in my opinion, the millions who lost their lives because of COVID deserve to be remembered, not forgotten, and lessons learned.

 

This subreddit remembers people who have died of covid. Early in its history it used to publish the actual names of people.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/

 

Following this subreddit for years made covid and its repercussions seem very real to me.

Edited June 18 by zakalwe

[BigBruv]

2 hours ago, zakalwe said:

 

Following this subreddit for years made covid and its repercussions seem very real to me.

 

Yes, it's clever how the internet can be used to do that.

 

A lot of people believed in the beginning but as time went on and the smoke cleared most outside of the bubble distanced themselves asap - it's an embarrassment and source of shame for many now afaict.

 

 

 

 

[BigBruv]

13 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

30 million.

 

This number includes both confirmed Covid deaths and *undiagnosed* ones

 

So they just guesstimated the 30m number you keep repeating 👍 

 

 

. 

 

[Captain Flack]

A post contravening community standards has been removed.

 

Rule 10. You will not post troll messages. Trolling is the act of purposefully antagonizing forum members by posting controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other members into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

[unblocktheplanet]

On 6/17/2024 at 8:47 AM, Robert Tyrrell said:

Wheres Booster Vaccines Thailand !!!!!! ??? Been trying to locate a Booster covid vaccine for the last 3 months  !!! Anyone have any info ??

Obviously, for public health, boosters should be available for free. I'm told they now cost.

 

I'd call the Red Cross vaccination unit.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 minute ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Obviously, for public health, boosters should be available for free. I'm told they now cost.

 

I'd call the Red Cross vaccination unit.

 

 

The Thai Red Cross vaccination clinic in BKK -- formally known as the Queen Saovabha Memorial Institute -- does indeed offer the updated XBB COVID vaccines for a fee, along with several other clinics or hospitals around BKK, at last check:

 

Contact and other details below:

 

 

 

[rattlesnake]

16 hours ago, Mike Lister said:

No wait, it must be that only covid vaccinated people catch covid....wow, I completely missed that one. So, what happened with the first few thousand people who caught covid before the vaccine was created, was that a fluke. Who knows, its all too difficult. Anyway, I just wanted to know why ten people thought it was funny that a 75 year old caught covid, it looks like I may never find out.

 

I doubt anyone was laughing at you being sick.

 

You stated that you have been vaccinated five times against an illness, and then that you caught said illness and suffered from it severely nonetheless. Then you added a further message stating your intention to have a sixth shot for good measure.

 

Nothing personal, but this approach is so utterly absurd – as are the rationalisations on the purported effectiveness of this vaccine – that it is likely to elicit laughter.

[troy]

14 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I doubt anyone was laughing at you being sick.

 

You stated that you have been vaccinated five times against an illness, and then that you caught said illness and suffered from it severely nonetheless. Then you added a further message stating your intention to have a sixth shot for good measure.

 

Nothing personal, but this approach is so utterly absurd – as are the rationalisations on the purported effectiveness of this vaccine – that it is likely to elicit laughter.

 

Vaccines produce antibodies that fight pathogens that have invaded your body. Depending on the which specific pathogen is involved, the illness may either remain sub-clinical (no visible symptoms) or progress in a weakened state while the antibodies rid it from the patient's body. Due to the antibodies being already present when the pathogen enters the body, the illness isn't allowed to get as severe as it would if the patient needed to wait for the body to begin producing its own antibodies.

 

To say it's absurd that someone would trust a vaccine after becoming ill with a virus shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how vaccines, and antibodies work. They kill pathogens that enter the body. They do not form an invisible shield around you to prevent the illness from ever happening.*

 

 

 

*Antibodies do kill some viruses before they show symptoms. Measles for example.

[rattlesnake]

4 minutes ago, troy said:

 

Vaccines produce antibodies that fight pathogens that have invaded your body. Depending on the which specific pathogen is involved, the illness may either remain sub-clinical (no visible symptoms) or progress in a weakened state while the antibodies rid it from the patient's body. Due to the antibodies being already present when the pathogen enters the body, the illness isn't allowed to get as severe as it would if the patient needed to wait for the body to begin producing its own antibodies.

 

To say it's absurd that someone would trust a vaccine after becoming ill with a virus shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how vaccines, and antibodies work. They kill pathogens that enter the body. They do not form an invisible shield around you to prevent the illness from ever happening.*

 

 

 

*Antibodies do kill some viruses before they show symptoms. Measles for example.

 

Yes, that is what I meant by "as are the rationalisations on the purported effectiveness of this vaccine".


 

Edited June 18 by rattlesnake
Typo.

[Mike Lister]

19 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I doubt anyone was laughing at you being sick.

 

You stated that you have been vaccinated five times against an illness, and then that you caught said illness and suffered from it severely nonetheless. Then you added a further message stating your intention to have a sixth shot for good measure.

 

Nothing personal, but this approach is so utterly absurd – as are the rationalisations on the purported effectiveness of this vaccine – that it is likely to elicit laughter.

The fact I caught covid a second time was entirely my own fault, I accept that. I am in an at risk group and I failed for one year to obtain a vaccine for the latest strains which I knew were active in Thailand. I also failed to mask up in tourist centric locations where the risk of contamination and infection were higher than average. I think I probably overestimated the extent to which my immune system and the combined effects of previous vaccines would afford some degree of protection, I had also become very complacent....mea culpa.

 

There's nothing wrong with the science, the latest vaccine would have afforded me greater protection but i ignored it. If any aspect on my behaviour is worthy of laughter, it's my stupidity at ignoring the science and not following it more precisely and I agree that's very odd. That other people may look at me as stupid for being vaccinated is their prerogative. I try not to tell others what aspects of their behaviour I might think are stupid because it's not productive or helpful to anyone, which is why I avoid debates about religion, politics and the like. I also don't feel strongly enough about the rights and wrongs of this topic to where I will criticise and chastise others for not doing as I do, it's a matter of personal choice for which people shouldn't be criticised or ridiculed, despite there being significant latitude on both sides of the argument to do so. I not some posters behaviours in this thread are geared towards trying to humiliate and embarrass those in the opposite camp, to what end I have no idea but I'd just as soon not be around them, even in debates.

 

Bye.