How will it end?

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Denim said:

 

A bit like seeing a thug grab an old ladies handbag.  None of anyones business except the participants.

 

When the shooting starts it has gone beyond a dispute.

 

When World War 2 broke out the popular sentiment in America was to not get involved but to let Europe sort out its own land disputes. Pearl Harbour changed that mind set.  One can only speculate what would have happened had America sat on its hands. The world would be a different place now.

and WW2 bred the military industrial complex, to all our misfortune, and especially that of the countries destroyed by it.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Denim said:

 

Fortunately for Europe .

 

Had it not been attacked and not come to our aid the outcome would have been bad for Europe and especially  Russia.

and far as I know they only did so because Hitler was a madman and declared war on the US. Otherwise it's likely that the US would have confined it's military response to the Pacific.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_against_the_United_States

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

pop on down to pattaya and ask all the citizens that fled there if they agree with you.....and hows that ruble doing???....

 

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/09/1147894588/ukraine-russia-war-kyiv-update-ceasefire-putin

 

Just like the Orange Felon his ego will be his downfall......birds of a feather.....Bullys' arent used to pushback....

Perhaps you can point out just how Ukraine is winning. Another counteroffensive on the horizon, perhaps, or how they saved Avdiivka from capture by Russia. If not that, how the F 16 is going to win the war for Ukraine, just like the Leopard did.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

Yet another Putin puppet projecting what he wishes, not what he knows. The last thing Putin wants is NATO troops against the thousands of drunks and criminals he’s pushed to the front line. 
 

The WW3 threat is a joke, because any attempt by him to provoke that will land him with a bullet on the brain. This 3 day project has been a disaster for Putin. He’s a diminished figure in the world, a second tier power to China. The myth of Russian military might has been demolished in Ukraine, with some of his best troops wiped out by a bunch of wheat farmers and tech geeks with weapons. His much vaunted weapons have turned out to be poor quality and dysfunctional. 
 

One of the main reasons that the Russian elites fear a nuclear war is because Russian nuclear warheads will malfunction and drop on them. Russia is a joke militarily. 

You seem to have vivid dreams.

 

Russian nuclear warheads will malfunction and drop on them.

Oh dear, seriously?

Remind us how US astronauts were transported to the ISS after Obama pulled the plug on the US's only means of doing so.

 

 

[Denim]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and far as I know they only did so because Hitler was a madman and declared war on the US. Otherwise it's likely that the US would have confined it's military response to the Pacific.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_against_the_United_States

 

Whatever the reason , we should all truly be thankful that America came to Europe's aid......for the second time. Their young men died helping to preserve our freedoms . I respect their sacrifice and would never belittle their decisive contribution.

 

 

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, Denim said:

 

Whatever the reason , we should all truly be thankful that America came to Europe's aid......for the second time. Their young men died helping to preserve our freedoms . I respect their sacrifice and would never belittle their decisive contribution.

 

 

Indeed.

I love how Biden correctly connects the fight against Nazi fascism to the modern day fight against Z Putin fascism. 

 

Edited Thursday at 01:27 PM by Jingthing

[Woof999]

15 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

All Russia has to do is hold in place till then.

Zelensky should negotiate now, while he has something to negotiate with.

 

Thank goodness there were people with far more spine alive in WWII or I'd be speaking German.

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, Woof999 said:

 

Thank goodness there were people with far more spine alive in WWII or I'd be speaking German.

There were fascist Americans leading up to WW2 that were both isolationist and exolicity pro Hitler that definetely were against US involvement. What was their movement called? America First the same as Trump's maga fascist extremist movement. 

 

Edited Thursday at 01:50 PM by Jingthing

[NativeBob]

UA sits on $12T on natural resources. Until suppliers can accept IOU notes from UA the conflict will not "end" easily. 

 

[AlexRich]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Now that is an inconvenient truth that they will likely never accept.

Didn't you know that John Wayne won WW2 single handedly?

 

The Lend Lease Act of the United States supplied the Soviet Union with the equivalent of $180 billion (in today's money) of arms and equipment from 1941 - 1945.

 

Without this support the Soviets would have lost the War. 

 

An inconvenient truth that the Soviet lovers on this board will find hard to swallow. 

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

There were fascist Americans leading up to WW2 that were both isolationist and exolicity pro Hitler that definetely were against US involvement. What was their movement called? America First the same as Trump's maga fascist extremist movement. 

 

 

We have the same in the UK. Then it was Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists, in the 1930's. We see the same today with Farage and his Reform party, with extensive links to Russian affiliates. The vast majority of the old muppets who support them have no idea what lurks behind this mob of fascists.

 

They are all linked ... Farage, Le Pen, Trump, Orban, AfD in Germany ... and all roads lead to Russia.  

[rabas]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps you can point out just how Ukraine is winning. Another counteroffensive on the horizon, perhaps, or how they saved Avdiivka from capture by Russia. If not that, how the F 16 is going to win the war for Ukraine, just like the Leopard did.

 

1. After the invasion, Russia captured an added 119,000 km2, of which Ukrainian has liberated 74,443 km². After that, change is peanuts. [link]

2. Ukraine has US$ 110+ billion on the way, now arriving from various sources.

3. Russia's civil economy is slowly collapsing as discussed earlier. China refused to and N Korea can't help financially.

4. Gazprom is failing financially, now a drain on the war effort.  

  link -> https://x.com/i/status/1805989796306911712

5. Russian military correspondent complains that Ukraine drones now outnumber Russia's by a huge factor.  

  link -> https://x.com/i/status/1805669707640643604

 

I doubt the war will end on the battlefield, it will likely end with Putin's fall as more Russian's count the internal damage to their country.  Putin remains a madman. 

 

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

1. After the invasion, Russia captured an added 119,000 km2, of which Ukrainian has liberated 74,443 km². After that, change is peanuts. [link]

2. Ukraine has US$ 110+ billion on the way, now arriving from various sources.

3. Russia's civil economy is slowly collapsing as discussed earlier. China refused to and N Korea can't help financially.

4. Gazprom is failing financially, now a drain on the war effort.  

  link -> https://x.com/i/status/1805989796306911712

5. Russian military correspondent complains that Ukraine drones now outnumber Russia's by a huge factor.  

  link -> https://x.com/i/status/1805669707640643604

 

I doubt the war will end on the battlefield, it will likely end with Putin's fall as more Russian's count the internal damage to their country.  Putin remains a madman. 

 

Yet Putin's Little Helpers will be blabbing on with their lies until the bitter end.

 

 

[ChicagoExpat]

14 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Obviously, your idea of "cheering on" and mine are somewhat different.

 

BTW, a favourite propaganda tactic is to denigrate the opposition by telling lies about them, and keep doing so in the hope that if one tells a lie often enough people will believe it. I think a certain German used to say something about that early last century.

 

You should be grateful for us, as otherwise you would have no one to attack on here.

I wasn't talking to you, but since you've inserted yourself yes, you're right, it does apply to you.  Grateful for you?  Nope.  In the same way I'm not grateful for the FSB, woke activists, pro-Soviet shills in the Cold War, or tapeworms.  All malevolent hangers-on to a healthy society.

 

Again, feel free to repudiate the war, and Russia's warmongering and nationalism that started the war, prove me wrong.  But none of you ever will, yet still resent being called out.  Weird.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, Denim said:

 

Whatever the reason , we should all truly be thankful that America came to Europe's aid......for the second time. Their young men died helping to preserve our freedoms . I respect their sacrifice and would never belittle their decisive contribution.

 

 

Of course. No dispute with me on that. We were just lucky enough that Japan thought they could win against America. If not for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour likely Hitler would not have declared war on the US, Britain would have fallen, Germany would have won in Russia and it's goodnight for us.

Edited Friday at 05:18 AM by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, ChicagoExpat said:

yet still resent being called out.

You might want to rethink that. I wasn't aware that you had "called me out", to resent it. If I ever thought enough about it to have an emotional reaction along those lines I'd put you on ignore.

Edited Friday at 05:22 AM by thaibeachlovers

[n00dle]

On 6/20/2024 at 7:47 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

 

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany

 

 

 

 

Edited June 20 by GammaGlobulin

purveyor of non-sequitirs and irrelevance that you are, I would still like you to explain how a past nazi collaboration, real or imagined, is relevant in the here and now. 

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, rabas said:

 

1. After the invasion, Russia captured an added 119,000 km2, of which Ukrainian has liberated 74,443 km². After that, change is peanuts. [link]

2. Ukraine has US$ 110+ billion on the way, now arriving from various sources.

3. Russia's civil economy is slowly collapsing as discussed earlier. China refused to and N Korea can't help financially.

4. Gazprom is failing financially, now a drain on the war effort.  

  link -> https://x.com/i/status/1805989796306911712

5. Russian military correspondent complains that Ukraine drones now outnumber Russia's by a huge factor.  

  link -> https://x.com/i/status/1805669707640643604

 

I doubt the war will end on the battlefield, it will likely end with Putin's fall as more Russian's count the internal damage to their country.  Putin remains a madman. 

 

2. Ukraine has US$ 110+ billion on the way, now arriving from various sources.

 

Money never wins wars. Willing boots on the ground do. Ukraine has run out of willing boots and is resorting to unwilling ones.

 

I doubt the war will end on the battlefield,

Wars since last century never usually end on the battlefield. They usually end on a table somewhere and people negotiate an end, as will happen with this one.

The Pacific war didn't end on the battlefield either. It ended in Nagasaki.

 

[ChicagoExpat]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You might want to rethink that. I wasn't aware that you had "called me out", to resent it. If I ever thought enough about it to have an emotional reaction along those lines I'd put you on ignore.

Not aware you were "called out," and yet you got into this particular conversation exactly as I described, and felt the need to defend yourself.  Curious.

 

Still waiting for the condemnation of Russia's invasion, from you or any of the "pro-peace" crowd.

[ChicagoExpat]

On 6/20/2024 at 6:55 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

The excuse for WW1 was some nobleman being assassinated, the excuse for Vietnam was an American ship being attacked, the excuse for Gulf 2 was the lie about WMDs. I wonder what excuse NATO ( Biden ) will dream up for this one?

It's incredible that, given the subject of the thread (Russia's invasion of Ukraine) and the subject of your comment (transparently bogus reasons for going to war) you didn't do the most obvious thing and combine the two to produce... "we have to invade Ukraine because it's a Nazi state."

[Seppius]

15 hours ago, AlexRich said:

 

We have the same in the UK. Then it was Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists, in the 1930's. We see the same today with Farage and his Reform party, with extensive links to Russian affiliates. The vast majority of the old muppets who support them have no idea what lurks behind this mob of fascists.

 

They are all linked ... Farage, Le Pen, Trump, Orban, AfD in Germany ... and all roads lead to Russia.  

 

 I can't believe you are comparing Nigel Farage and the Reform party to Mosley's mob, that's just crazy talk, also Farage has never even been to Russia, please tell me the "extensive links"  What he said was taken out of context as you know if you did and once of research. The internet is full of world leaders in the last 20 years cozying up to Putin

 

Farage is attracting huge gatherings wherever he goes of people not being able to see their doctor, or dentist, and their town getting overrun with young Albanians  etc

 

They really look like a bunch of fascists, look at the people in the queue in the link below, this was in that hotbed of radicals in DEVON lol, he has nearly sold out the NEC in Birmingham this Sunday

          

[BobBKK]

1 hour ago, ChicagoExpat said:

It's incredible that, given the subject of the thread (Russia's invasion of Ukraine) and the subject of your comment (transparently bogus reasons for going to war) you didn't do the most obvious thing and combine the two to produce... "we have to invade Ukraine because it's a Nazi state."

They indeed behaved the same in Donbas for many years - it was a form of genocide, of course - shutting the language down, burning books and lawless killings.

[rabas]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

They indeed behaved the same in Donbas for many years - it was a form of genocide, of course - shutting the language down, burning books and lawless killings.

 

Just to clarify who 'they' refers to:

 

Reuters: Pro-Russian demonstrators burn books, storm buildings in eastern Ukraine (2014)

 

HRU: Blow to History: Ukrainian Literary Works Destroyed in Recent Incidents  'Russians continue to destroy the cultural heritage of Ukraine in the temporarily occupied territories.' (Feb 2023)

 

Russia destroys almost all Ukrainian literature in occupied Donbas, calling it ‘extremist’ (Dec 2023)

[AlexRich]

4 hours ago, Seppius said:

 

 I can't believe you are comparing Nigel Farage and the Reform party to Mosley's mob, that's just crazy talk, also Farage has never even been to Russia, please tell me the "extensive links"  What he said was taken out of context as you know if you did and once of research. The internet is full of world leaders in the last 20 years cozying up to Putin

 

Farage is attracting huge gatherings wherever he goes of people not being able to see their doctor, or dentist, and their town getting overrun with young Albanians  etc

 

They really look like a bunch of fascists, look at the people in the queue in the link below, this was in that hotbed of radicals in DEVON lol, he has nearly sold out the NEC in Birmingham this Sunday

          

 

To prove your point you send a post by Katie Hopkins, a well known right wing grifter? Beggars belief. 

 

I refer you to the recent Mail on Sunday article which provided a long list of Reform Party candidates making pro-Putin statements. Just one example:

 

Jonathan Mappin - "being friends with Putin is very smart. We love him"

 

Add to that Chris Bryant, MP who accused Farage of receiving more than £500k from Russian State broadcaster Russia Today. Farage denied it, of course. 

 

I could go on, but you're not worth the effort involved. 

 

But have a look at this:

 

https://www.bylinesupplement.com/p/nigel-farage-from-russia-with-love

 

A number of questions for Putin puppet Farage. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Seppius]

2 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

To prove your point you send a post by Katie Hopkins, a well known right wing grifter? Beggars belief. 

 

I refer you to the recent Mail on Sunday article which provided a long list of Reform Party candidates making pro-Putin statements. Just one example:

 

Jonathan Mappin - "being friends with Putin is very smart. We love him"

 

Add to that Chris Bryant, MP who accused Farage of receiving more than £500k from Russian State broadcaster Russia Today. Farage denied it, of course. 

 

I could go on, but you're not worth the effort involved. 

 

But have a look at this:

 

https://www.bylinesupplement.com/p/nigel-farage-from-russia-with-love

 

A number of questions for Putin puppet Farage. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nothing wrong with being right wing, half of Europe is going that way, does not make you a fascist

 

And as I said, most of the world leaders can be seen cozying up to Putin and Russia in the last 20 years,, many well known people have been on RT they actually broadcast in the UK 24/7, and actually Farage denies getting 1/2 million, it's never been proved

 

https://www.bylinesupplement.com/p/nigel-farage-from-russia-with-love   is that really the best you can do lol, extremely left wing piece of garbage to discredit Reform, because people in the UK are speaking up and want change. 

 

There is a huge media and political jugganaught happening to discredit Farage and Reform, just look at lefties BBC

 

Katie Hopkins was commenting on a real video of hundreds of very normal people waiting to see Farage, but i bet you never even looked at it

[AlexRich]

2 hours ago, Seppius said:

Nothing wrong with being right wing, half of Europe is going that way, does not make you a fascist

 

And as I said, most of the world leaders can be seen cozying up to Putin and Russia in the last 20 years,, many well known people have been on RT they actually broadcast in the UK 24/7, and actually Farage denies getting 1/2 million, it's never been proved

 

https://www.bylinesupplement.com/p/nigel-farage-from-russia-with-love   is that really the best you can do lol, extremely left wing piece of garbage to discredit Reform, because people in the UK are speaking up and want change. 

 

There is a huge media and political jugganaught happening to discredit Farage and Reform, just look at lefties BBC

 

Katie Hopkins was commenting on a real video of hundreds of very normal people waiting to see Farage, but i bet you never even looked at it

Your reply doesn’t surprise me, as you will excuse away anything that is put in front of you. But Farage’s ties to Russia and other right wing extremists are very real. 
 

You talk about all these good people with genuine concerns queuing up to listen to the Reform Party? The same people queued up to listen to Mosley and Mussolini and Hitler. These people tap into ordinary peoples genuine concerns because it makes them popular … but what those ordinary people seem blind to is the underlying agendas of these populists, and the mess they lead you to. With Hitler a democracy was dismantled and became a dictatorship. I wonder how these ordinary Germans felt when they were sitting in the rubble of Berlin at the end of the war, watching their women and children being brutally raped by Russian soldiers? The Penny always drops, but for the fools that take populists at face value it tends to drop too late.

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Still waiting for the condemnation of Russia's invasion, from you or any of the "pro-peace" crowd.

It was an entirely expected result of Ukraine's intent to join NATO. I don't condemn expected events, else I'd be outside shaking my fist at the sky for raining.

If I'm going to condemn anything, it's the neocons that IMO manufactured this war.

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Not aware you were "called out,"

Was it not yourself that posted

 

On 6/28/2024 at 12:07 PM, ChicagoExpat said:

But none of you ever will, yet still resent being called out.  Weird.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 6/28/2024 at 1:43 AM, Woof999 said:

 

Thank goodness there were people with far more spine alive in WWII or I'd be speaking German.

and you are posting that from a trench in Ukraine perhaps, or is it for others to have "spine"? Asking for a friend.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, AlexRich said:

You talk about all these good people with genuine concerns queuing up to listen to the Reform Party? The same people queued up to listen to Mosley and Mussolini and Hitler. These people tap into ordinary peoples genuine concerns because it makes them popular … but what those ordinary people seem blind to is the underlying agendas of these populists, and the mess they lead you to.

What never gets mentioned are the reasons why "good people with genuine concerns queue up to listen to xyz".

Hitler because of the reparations post WW1, today because of unfettered immigration and other such loony policies by ideologues ( or as I like to describe them- idiots with an agenda ).