Popular Post SoCal1990 Posted Tuesday at 01:02 PM Popular Post Share Posted Tuesday at 01:02 PM (edited) The phrase the "USA always gets its man" is not really true, is it? Assange just walked a free man and they fought tooth and nail to get him for nearly a decade and failed. They also didn't get Snowden, who still lives a free man now and at the courtesy of one of the USA's greatest enemies. Yes, they got other high priority US targets like Bin Laden, "El Chapo" Guzmán, Noriega, Saddam Hussein and a few others in the past. But my point is they win some and lose some. Success depends on various factors, including international cooperation, legal frameworks, and the specific circumstances in each case and, thus they don't have the sweeping powers across the world that they would like the rest of the world to believe, which is that they can capture fugitives anywhere. This false belief seems to also have derived from the mindset of American exceptionalism. The belief that the United States is inherently different from other nations, often viewing itself as a beacon of freedom, democracy, and justice, but yet that also isn't really the case. And this ideology can extend as far as to the false belief that American institutions, including law enforcement and intelligence agencies, are uniquely capable and effective in always achieving their agendas. Outside of its borders, the USA is viewed very differently though, far more realistically and much more objectively. But inside the USA the brainwashing is sadly still very strong for many. Edited Tuesday at 01:06 PM by SoCal1990 4 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yellowtail Posted Tuesday at 01:09 PM Popular Post Share Posted Tuesday at 01:09 PM I think the phrase it the Mounties always get their man, not the US. I have also heard it "Rangers always get their man. (Texas Rangers) I have never heard the phrase "USA always gets its man". 1 1 1 3 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal1990 Posted Tuesday at 01:25 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 01:25 PM 15 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: I have never heard the phrase "USA always gets its man". I'll take that as a confirmation that you never worked for the FBI or the CIA. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 1FinickyOne Posted Tuesday at 01:39 PM Popular Post Share Posted Tuesday at 01:39 PM 36 minutes ago, SoCal1990 said: The phrase the "USA always gets its man" never heard that either. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoDisplayName Posted Tuesday at 02:06 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:06 PM 1 hour ago, SoCal1990 said: They also didn't get Snowden, who still lives a free man now and at the courtesy of one of the USA's greatest enemies. The only reason Ed wound up in Russia is that the US regime cancelled his passport as he was waiting to transfer flights at a Moskau airport. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cdemundo Posted Tuesday at 02:14 PM Popular Post Share Posted Tuesday at 02:14 PM 48 minutes ago, SoCal1990 said: I'll take that as a confirmation that you never worked for the FBI or the CIA. It's the RCMP that always get their man. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted Wednesday at 12:33 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:33 AM 11 hours ago, SoCal1990 said: I'll take that as a confirmation that you never worked for the FBI or the CIA. I worked for both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2baht Posted Wednesday at 12:43 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:43 AM Who killed Kennedy??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipalongcassidy Posted Wednesday at 12:48 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:48 AM 3 minutes ago, 2baht said: Who killed Kennedy??? Lyndon Johnson and the democraptic cabal at the time... Hilary is one of his disciples 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdey Posted Wednesday at 05:55 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 05:55 AM If it is true that Assange will plead guilty in an American court and will be sentenced to time served in the UK, then he didn't escape. Plus, I am not sure the Americans are trustworthy enough not to incarcerate him for another 20 years once he is on their soil. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted Wednesday at 06:05 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:05 AM (edited) 15 hours ago, cdemundo said: It's the RCMP that always get their man. Watching a few of the Crimebeat docos available I'd say that's pretty much hit and miss as well. Some of the Canadian cops come across as pretty dim bulbs who couldn't catch a cold. Edited Wednesday at 06:06 AM by giddyup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted Wednesday at 06:13 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:13 AM Thankfully. The US can be very over zealous in its reaching out and attempting to prosecute those they don't like. Except of course guys like MBS, and other crooks and serial killers who are considered valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandboxer Posted Wednesday at 06:13 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:13 AM (edited) Ed Snowden chillin' like a villain in Moscow enjoying delicious caviar, fine hot young Russian kitty and romantic fireplace chats with a real leader who actually acts in the long term interests of the country. Edited Wednesday at 06:15 AM by Sandboxer 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanrchase Posted Wednesday at 06:24 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:24 AM Technically they did get their man. He took a plea deal. Plead guilty to one charge I believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal1990 Posted Wednesday at 06:24 AM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 06:24 AM 7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: Except of course guys like MBS, and other crooks and serial killers who are considered valuable. They usually are pretty successful at capturing criminals overseas related to financial crimes like MBS and Ross Ulbright. They also got Ramon Abbas and Viktor Bout, but then traded the later for the basketball player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted Wednesday at 06:53 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:53 AM 39 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: Thankfully. The US can be very over zealous in its reaching out and attempting to prosecute those they don't like. Except of course guys like MBS, and other crooks and serial killers who are considered valuable. Yes, but the left loves Assange. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfd101 Posted Wednesday at 07:09 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 07:09 AM The Times has a good summary. https://edition.pagesuite.com/popovers/dynamic_article_popover.aspx?artguid=0296ea42-d69b-4ee2-a0f3-eadc31a931d0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jippytum Posted Wednesday at 07:19 AM Popular Post Share Posted Wednesday at 07:19 AM Assange did more than ten years. I'm glad he's free. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MalcolmB Posted Wednesday at 07:20 AM Popular Post Share Posted Wednesday at 07:20 AM 18 hours ago, SoCal1990 said: The belief that the United States is inherently different from other nations, often viewing itself as a beacon of freedom, democracy, and justice, but yet that also isn't really the case. And this ideology can extend as far as to the false belief that American institutions, including law enforcement and intelligence agencies, are uniquely capable and effective in always achieving their agendas. They also believe that Jesus thinks that the USA is special. Land of fruitcakes. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal1990 Posted Wednesday at 07:21 AM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 07:21 AM 11 minutes ago, mfd101 said: The Times has a good summary. https://edition.pagesuite.com/popovers/dynamic_article_popover.aspx?artguid=0296ea42-d69b-4ee2-a0f3-eadc31a931d0 Stay in jail in solitary confinement for the rest of your life or sign a piece of paper that says something that you don't agree with and you go free. No brainer isn't it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted Wednesday at 07:24 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 07:24 AM 1 minute ago, SoCal1990 said: Stay in jail in solitary confinement for the rest of your life or sign a piece of paper that says something that you don't agree with and you go free. No brainer isn't it? Depends on who you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdemundo Posted Wednesday at 07:29 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 07:29 AM 1 hour ago, giddyup said: Watching a few of the Crimebeat docos available I'd say that's pretty much hit and miss as well. Some of the Canadian cops come across as pretty dim bulbs who couldn't catch a cold. Not saying it's true, just that it's their slogan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted Wednesday at 07:30 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 07:30 AM 18 hours ago, SoCal1990 said: The phrase the "USA always gets its man" is not really true, is it? Assange just walked a free man and they fought tooth and nail to get him for nearly a decade and failed. They also didn't get Snowden, who still lives a free man now and at the courtesy of one of the USA's greatest enemies. Yes, they got other high priority US targets like Bin Laden, "El Chapo" Guzmán, Noriega, Saddam Hussein and a few others in the past. But my point is they win some and lose some. Success depends on various factors, including international cooperation, legal frameworks, and the specific circumstances in each case and, thus they don't have the sweeping powers across the world that they would like the rest of the world to believe, which is that they can capture fugitives anywhere. This false belief seems to also have derived from the mindset of American exceptionalism. The belief that the United States is inherently different from other nations, often viewing itself as a beacon of freedom, democracy, and justice, but yet that also isn't really the case. And this ideology can extend as far as to the false belief that American institutions, including law enforcement and intelligence agencies, are uniquely capable and effective in always achieving their agendas. Outside of its borders, the USA is viewed very differently though, far more realistically and much more objectively. But inside the USA the brainwashing is sadly still very strong for many. They didnt get Castro 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted Wednesday at 07:35 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 07:35 AM 1 minute ago, Hummin said: They didnt get Castro They got his son "Trudeau" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted Wednesday at 07:37 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 07:37 AM 6 minutes ago, Hummin said: They didnt get Castro They got those truckers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted Wednesday at 07:39 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 07:39 AM They tried extremely hard to kill Castro. And he basically outsmarted them. It’s an amazing story if you are able to maintain objectivity. He fled to a mountain range when usa wanted him dead. One man on his own more or less. He rallied an army and took over the entire country. Just drop your ego and your preconceived notions and imagine doing that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted Wednesday at 07:46 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 07:46 AM 7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: They got those truckers! A disgusting travesty of everything remotely fair or democratic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted Wednesday at 07:48 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 07:48 AM 1 minute ago, johng said: A disgusting travesty of everything remotely fair or democratic. That's the left for you... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spidermike007 Posted Wednesday at 08:46 AM Popular Post Share Posted Wednesday at 08:46 AM 1 hour ago, Yellowtail said: Yes, but the left loves Assange. Gotta love how you guys make incredible generalizations of what is estimated to be 49% of registered voters in the US. And we are all also communist, love Marxist ideology, are not patriotic, are anti-American because we are critical of Trump, worship celebrities, and many of us eat babies and drink their blood. Way to go. Keep up the harmony creation, and make America great again with hatred and division. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted Wednesday at 08:51 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 08:51 AM 3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: Gotta love how you guys make incredible generalizations of what is estimated to be 49% of registered voters in the US. And we are all also communist, love Marxist ideology, are not patriotic, are anti-American because we are critical of Trump, worship celebrities, and many of us eat babies and drink their blood. Way to go. Keep up the harmony creation, and make America great again with hatred and division. Not all Democrats are leftists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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