BangkokReady Posted Thursday at 12:19 PM Share Posted Thursday at 12:19 PM 10 hours ago, dinsdale said: Maybe you can explain how reducing the hours of a school day equals to taking money out of the education system to be used elsewhere. Loss of one period a day would be five a week. A school with 100 classes would lose 500 lessons per week. If there are ten subjects, that's 50 fewer lessons per subject per week. That's got to be enough to lay off a few teachers per school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john donson Posted Thursday at 12:29 PM Share Posted Thursday at 12:29 PM my kids went to government school for their last 3 years... school was done at 2 or 3 pm. but were forced , peer pressure, to stay for stupid non related activities like dancing or singing for school play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob smith Posted Thursday at 12:30 PM Share Posted Thursday at 12:30 PM 1 hour ago, BritManToo said: I used to teach in those UK council estate schools, and they were worse than the Thai government schools I've encountered. worse in what way? don't thai teachers still beat kids senseless for not paying attention? bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkBR Posted Thursday at 01:13 PM Share Posted Thursday at 01:13 PM 2 hours ago, Surasak said: 100% agree. Find out what the child is interested in doing and teach them accordingly. That system would cost more due to specialist teachers being required. The end result would be brighter and happier students/adults with a more knowledgeable workforce. The country can only gain. But it will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted Thursday at 01:17 PM Share Posted Thursday at 01:17 PM (edited) 58 minutes ago, BangkokReady said: Loss of one period a day would be five a week. A school with 100 classes would lose 500 lessons per week. If there are ten subjects, that's 50 fewer lessons per subject per week. That's got to be enough to lay off a few teachers per school. A 45 min lesson (in reality 40 min or a bit less) is a good lesson length. This way you don't miss a lesson. They're just a bit shorter. The OP doesn't mention anything about how this will happen (IF IT DOES?) but I think six 45 minute lessons a day. Shortens the average 6 lesson per day school day for students by an hour whilst retaining the six lessons a day. Edited Thursday at 01:19 PM by dinsdale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted Thursday at 01:28 PM Share Posted Thursday at 01:28 PM 2 hours ago, Surasak said: 100% agree. Find out what the child is interested in doing and teach them accordingly. That system would cost more due to specialist teachers being required. The end result would be brighter and happier students/adults with a more knowledgeable workforce. The country can only gain. Facebook, Tik Tok and games. As for individual teaching that's all well and good if there are 10 or less students in the class but try that with 40 students in a class. 4 classes of 40 students a day all being taught what THEY want to learn would be around 200 individual lesson plans per day. 1000 lesson plans a week? This is obviously impossible.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomazbodner Posted Thursday at 01:43 PM Share Posted Thursday at 01:43 PM 12 hours ago, webfact said: Those in Mathayom 1 to 3 (grades seven to nine) face no fewer than 1,200 hours a year. For Mathayom 4 to 6 (grades 10 to 12), the total amounts to over 3,600 hours across three years. So what's mathematical difference between grade 7-9 and 10-12? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted Thursday at 02:19 PM Share Posted Thursday at 02:19 PM 36 minutes ago, tomazbodner said: So what's mathematical difference between grade 7-9 and 10-12? Nothing? Probably a blip in the AI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted Thursday at 02:25 PM Share Posted Thursday at 02:25 PM 41 minutes ago, tomazbodner said: So what's mathematical difference between grade 7-9 and 10-12? If age is a mathematical difference then I guess you've got your answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chondan Posted Thursday at 03:10 PM Share Posted Thursday at 03:10 PM I taught M1-1, to M1-7 all boys 12 years old. Smallest class 47 students largest classes M1-5, M1-6, M1-7 was 68 students. 900 students I would say maybe 90 students passed. However (every student passed.) One kid M1-7 weakest class, one student scored the highest grade in the school. I had never met him once. Thai Senators son. Amazing. Two years was enough. I also taught Univ. Senior English majors. I had to use a 4th grade text book. they said it was difficult. Later on I taught in Danang, VN. Kids 6-8 years old in a language school 10 kids per class we finished the book in 2 weeks. I have a masters in English and Educ. I have taught many years. The reason I taught in Thailand was because I had a farm and kids there. I wish I had known about VN sooner. The kids were eager and the pay was double what I got in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peabody Posted Thursday at 03:48 PM Share Posted Thursday at 03:48 PM 14 hours ago, webfact said: Initially set at 7.6 billion baht (US$ 205.5 million), the budget was reduced to 4.1 billion baht (US$ 110 million). Honey, call your brother and cancel that new BMW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted Thursday at 04:07 PM Share Posted Thursday at 04:07 PM That's a start. Our kids are at school for 8 hours not including lunch. They need to start later also. "Later school times promote adolescent well-being" https://www.apa.org/topics/children/school-start-times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPI Posted Thursday at 04:35 PM Share Posted Thursday at 04:35 PM 14 hours ago, webfact said: Initially set at 7.6 billion baht (US$ 205.5 million), the budget was reduced to 4.1 billion baht (US$ 110 million). 14 hours ago, dinsdale said: Maybe you can explain how reducing the hours of a school day equals to taking money out of the education system to be used elsewhere. Not mentioned in the article but I would think a reduction in the time of one study period from one hour to forty five minutes may be one thing they are considering or a reduction from six in class hours a day to five or maybe both. How on earth does this equate to taking money away from the budget. It's a matter of spreading largess in other directions...the money had to come from somewhere, why not education? The money is wasted on the children anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bundooman Posted Thursday at 10:53 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:53 PM Goody, Goody! Cry the students. More spare time to stick our noses into our phones,iPads and Tablets, never looking up to see who we are walking into or where we are going.. And we'll still be able to use them in the classroom, won't we? More time for us to do our homework or write our essays using ChatGPT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bundooman Posted Thursday at 10:56 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:56 PM 10 hours ago, bob smith said: worse in what way? don't thai teachers still beat kids senseless for not paying attention? bob. No, they don't! Dumb-ar&e statement. The same as saying all teachers, men and women, shag their students. Only the few! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franky0815 Posted Friday at 12:54 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:54 AM Is there still beating in Thai schools? How do Thai students perform in the PISA study? How good are Thai students in English and geography? Is the problem a budget problem or a system problem? I know a Thai doctor (30 years old) who doesn't speak English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surasak Posted Friday at 01:16 AM Share Posted Friday at 01:16 AM 11 hours ago, dinsdale said: Facebook, Tik Tok and games. As for individual teaching that's all well and good if there are 10 or less students in the class but try that with 40 students in a class. 4 classes of 40 students a day all being taught what THEY want to learn would be around 200 individual lesson plans per day. 1000 lesson plans a week? This is obviously impossible.. OK Norman. Never look on the bright, it may disrupt your negative outlook on life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdey Posted Friday at 01:55 AM Share Posted Friday at 01:55 AM 15 hours ago, wensiensheng said: 15 students to a class is impractical. The U.K. doesn’t have that few students to a class. Even international schools usually cap them at 20. You are correct that 20 is the average in a good school today but I was thinking about 15 being recommended. According to the NEA, a good number to target is 15, which lies in the middle of their studies based on the 13-17 students per classroom. https://www.raymondgeddes.com/blogs/news/determining-the-best-classroom-size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted Friday at 01:56 AM Share Posted Friday at 01:56 AM 34 minutes ago, Surasak said: OK Norman. Never look on the bright, it may disrupt your negative outlook on life. There's nothing bright about having to plan 1000's of individualised lesson plans a month. It's simply impossible. No negative outlook here just common sense and an understanding of how teaching and learning works. As I said it's a good idea but only when practicable. Classes of 40+ it's most definitely not practical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surasak Posted Friday at 02:07 AM Share Posted Friday at 02:07 AM 8 minutes ago, dinsdale said: There's nothing bright about having to plan 1000's of individualised lesson plans a month. It's simply impossible. No negative outlook here just common sense and an understanding of how teaching and learning works. As I said it's a good idea but only when practicable. Classes of 40+ it's most definitely not practical. A 'teacher' I guess, so being practical? Tram lines, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted Friday at 05:40 AM Share Posted Friday at 05:40 AM 10 hours ago, MrJ2U said: That's a start. Our kids are at school for 8 hours not including lunch. They need to start later also. "Later school times promote adolescent well-being" https://www.apa.org/topics/children/school-start-times Agreed. There's absolutely no need for students to be at school for 6:30am. Start later and be done by 4pm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted Friday at 05:42 AM Share Posted Friday at 05:42 AM (edited) 4 hours ago, Franky0815 said: How do Thai students perform in the PISA study? Worst scores since records began in Thailand. Edited Friday at 05:43 AM by BangkokReady 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted Friday at 08:51 AM Share Posted Friday at 08:51 AM 3 hours ago, BangkokReady said: Agreed. There's absolutely no need for students to be at school for 6:30am. Start later and be done by 4pm. I think the kids brains get saturated and then cant absorb anymore. Luckily our kids school has Aircon. I can't imagine learning in 38-44 C weather. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman34014 Posted Friday at 09:25 AM Share Posted Friday at 09:25 AM On 6/27/2024 at 8:53 AM, dinsdale said: It doesn't mean a cut back in education. What it's about is trying to drag the education system here out of the mid 20thC into the 21stC. Funny; i thought it was still in the 19th Century ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustThisOnePostOnly Posted Friday at 12:04 PM Share Posted Friday at 12:04 PM Decreasing school hours means increasing the amount of time kids spend unsupervised. If you're trying to reduce underage drug use, this is exactly the wrong way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Daley Posted Friday at 02:11 PM Share Posted Friday at 02:11 PM (edited) UK schools study for 6 hours from 9 to 3. Thai schools study 12 hours from 6 to 5. Yes the first hour is for the flag and the Thai song. Then they have an hour of announcements. But its worse than that because students have to leave the house at 5am. Then there is the traffic jam, school vans and busses. It is common now to have students living at the school 24/7 in condos and accomodation supplied by the school. So there we have it. Many students as young as 14 live at school. I have personally seen this. These freaks live at the school. Some of them go home for the weekend. I see kids sleeping in the classroom Some sitting upright but their eyes closed. Some have headaches. The Thai education hours are child abuse. Walking into school with a megaphone screaming you are late in your ears. Not to mention the worthless crap they learn. How to be a soldier and march in the heat for 4 hours. How to hold a sign up for the crowd art photos in the baking sun 6 hours. How to give money to a monk 3 days. How to sweep a floor (girls only). Edited Friday at 02:17 PM by Chris Daley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedhump Posted Saturday at 01:55 AM Share Posted Saturday at 01:55 AM An undereducated underclass is best for an undemocratic government. Teach them only work-related skills and keep them submissive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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