drink and driving

[Fat is a type of crazy]

Just now, MalcolmB said:

Ok, what time are you going to pick me up?

 

or do you want me to stay at home wasting my short life away staring out my faux French doors while watching re-runs of MASH in a dark and lonely room while the Chinese made grandfather clock slowly ticks away like sand through the hour glass.

Only read page 1 so not sure where you are but taxis are pretty cheap in most places. Don't look for excuses. 2 tonne of metal with you behind it after a gut full of beers isn't a pretty thought. 

[MalcolmB]

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

you conveniently ignore that aspect of risk you present to other people around you when driving

It is always risky driving. 
Best we all stay home.

[MalcolmB]

1 minute ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

but taxis are pretty cheap in most places

Phuket currently 

[fredwiggy]

13 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Yeah, about 5 of you who like complaining.

 

Are you not aware that complaining is the only way things are changed for the better?

[richard_smith237]

8 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Ok, what time are you going to pick me up?

 

Out of curiosity...

 

Where are you that its so hard to get a taxi, yet has such great entertainment that you can go out 3x per week and enjoy getting pished up ?

 

Are there really no available taxi's or transport options in your area.

 

 

Playing the 'balance point'.... I understand someone with no other transport options, who lives in the middle of nowhere driving 2kms home after a number of beers with his mates...    a very weak excuse.. but also, the absense of others around removes a degree of risk to others through simple lack of exposure... 

 

But... IF driving home to 'dark side' Pattaya or 5kms out of town in Hua Hin etc is no excuse as there are transport options.

 

 

 

 

[fredwiggy]

9 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Ok, what time are you going to pick me up?

 

or do you want me to stay at home wasting my short life away staring out my faux French doors while watching re-runs of MASH in a dark and lonely room while the Chinese made grandfather clock slowly ticks away like sand through the hour glass.

I'm in my house with my daughter wasting my life away watching reruns of MASH right now as we speak. My DVD collection helps because it's about the only thing I can do living in the country with very few around that can speak English, at least until I can move back to the states. My room isn't that dark because I use one light to keep it lit.

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Phuket currently 

 

OK... (that answers my above question).... 

 

Then there are plenty of transport options - In Drive works particularly well in Phuket, better than Bolt and Grab IMO...

 

So... the reason you are not using taxi's... is not because you can't get one - but because you are cheap.

[fredwiggy]

4 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

It is always risky driving. 
Best we all stay home.

Yes, it's risky, especially here where a large majority are  incompetent, lazy and don't believe in road rules, drive drunk and speed a lot. One huge reason you should be using all of your senses while driving, as there are always people cutting you off here and driving recklessly, which makes it even more important to drive sober. You get hit and you're at fault here, especially if you've been drinking.

[FritsSikkink]

28 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

It is always risky driving. 
Best we all stay home.

Best you stay out of a car when drunk.

[Gecko123]

@MalcolmB

 

What happened to Mr. Big Plans? All of a sudden it sounds like all you're doing is going out looking to get laid and getting hammered. What happened to learn Thai, get married, give wedding speech in Thai, build house, invest in rental properties, get citizenship? Has that all gone up in smoke? You sound like a troubled soul, and I've got news for you: Thailand can be very unkind to troubled souls. Thailand knows how to chew up and spit guys like you out so fast it will make your head spin. Seen it happen dozens of times. Just a word of caution.

 

I just want to tell you that I have found all of your comments about drinking and driving to be absolutely appalling.

 

Intoxication/inebriation increases the risk of having an accident. Period. The fact that someone may not ever have had an accident despite frequently driving intoxicated is totally irrelevant. We're talking well-documented statistical probabilities here, not asinine and probably fabricated personal anecdotes.

 

And what happened to Mr. 'I-Love-and-Respect-Thai-People-too-too-much'? What kind of example are you setting for Thailand's people by driving around drunk all the time and what kind of respect are you showing by endangering everyone else on the road by your behavior?

 

As a guest in this country, and as someone who has no doubt been exposed to far more driver safety education than most Thais, you should be setting the highest possible road safety example.

 

Again, I am absolutely appalled by your comments.

 

 

Edited July 4 by Gecko123

[MalcolmB]

8 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

What happened to Mr. Big Plans?
 

 

Thanks for asking.

8 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

 

All of a sudden it sounds like all you're doing is going out looking for prostitutes and getting hammered.
 

 

A bit of that, not too much.

 

8 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

 

 

What happened to learn Thai,

 

 

going well. That is why I comment so much here. Always on my tablet, take a break and post here. Putting in 6-8 hours per day.

 

i have learned all the consonants all the basic vowels, just a few vowel combos left.

Got about 200 words now, but must keep revising, otherwise I forget.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

 

get married,

 

Thinking about getting out of that one. Probably aim for something a bit younger. Back in the UK I was batting above my average with her, but now I am on the ground I think she is batting above her average.

 

Not sure how to break it to her. I am dithering a bit.

k

8 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

 

 

give wedding speech in Thai, build house,

 

 

see above

8 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

 

invest in rental properties,

 

looking into it. Might make more sense to build purpose party houses next door to each other for bigger groups.

getting a lot of advice.

8 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

 

 

get citizenship?

That will take a while.

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

OK... (that answers my above question).... 

 

Then there are plenty of transport options - In Drive works particularly well in Phuket, better than Bolt and Grab IMO...

 

So... the reason you are not using taxi's... is not because you can't get one - but because you are cheap.

I only just got here, probably have only drunk drove 10 times max. I have a rental vios which is terrible, but am looking at buying an Everest. They look quite versatile, seats fold down so almost as roomy as a pickup.

A lot of safety features.

 

In the places I have been drinking, the expats have all been driving after drinking. Nobody really even mentions it, taxis or those apps. You are kidding yourself if you think it isn’t happening 

I was surprised that not more people have admitted it on this forum but I guess the people I have been socializing with are not on this forum. And those who do, which I would guess would be the majority of people who do drink, would probably know the carry on by certain posters so don’t bother.

 

I get that people who follow certain rules, get triggered when other people don’t. Like wearing masks during Covid, those who did had an issue with those who didn’t. Same with Muslims and jihabs, etc etc 

Live and let live is my motto.

 

[SAFETY FIRST]

5 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

10 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Back then no checkpoints, today it's to risky. 

So check-points are what stops you?  You don't give a damn about the family you might wipe out then

I didn't say that.

Where did I say that? 

 

 

If English is not your first language Google translate will help you. You won't embarrass yourself. 

 

 

Edited July 4 by SAFETY FIRST

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

Live and let live is my motto.

 

I take it you won't mind my lack of sympathy when you are banged up in a Thai prison, with rice soup for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

 

You don't  have to have an accident to be jailed here. Even first time offenders can cop a sentence, depending on circumstances.

 

Statistically improbable, but at least I know I can't be nailed for drink-driving.

[EVENKEEL]

I remember back in the day after the night shift I'd stop for a tall boy for the ride home. Whenever me and my buddies went somewhere we always had a 6er in the car and yes the driver as well.

 

OK so having 10 beers and driving a car is a bad idea. All the Thai drinking joints around me, a large majority of the Thais are drinking hard liquor and I'll bet that most drive themselves home. 

 

At the local market here there's a group of foreigners every night polishing away massive amounts of large beers, and then they all climb aboard the MB or cars and drive home.

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

I only just got here, probably have only drunk drove 10 times max. I have a rental vios which is terrible, but am looking at buying an Everest. They look quite versatile, seats fold down so almost as roomy as a pickup.

A lot of safety features.

 

In the places I have been drinking, the expats have all been driving after drinking. Nobody really even mentions it, taxis or those apps. You are kidding yourself if you think it isn’t happening 

 

Nope.. not kidding myself at all... I know it happens...    the fact that this is normalised by people who should know better perhaps fits well in a concurrently running thread about what type of foreigner Thailand attracts.  

 

 

2 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

I was surprised that not more people have admitted it on this forum but I guess the people I have been socializing with are not on this forum. And those who do, which I would guess would be the majority of people who do drink, would probably know the carry on by certain posters so don’t bother.

 

Perhaps, or, there are not many who do drink and drive because they are not dyak heads... 

 

2 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

I get that people who follow certain rules, get triggered when other people don’t. Like wearing masks during Covid, those who did had an issue with those who didn’t. Same with Muslims and jihabs, etc etc 

Live and let live is my motto.

 

I see your point and what you are trying to do there, but you are using a comparison fallacy... 

 

People do care and get triggered, but not for the reasons you use - this is not some sort of jealousy that you have afforded yourself greater freedom than those who follow rules have afforded themselves - its that your behavior and others who drink and drive (Thai's included) is anti-social and dangerous. 

 

 

I also agree with live and let live...  when it comes to things which cannot harm innocent people. 

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

I take it you won't mind my lack of sympathy when you are banged up in a Thai prison, with rice soup for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

 

You don't  have to have an accident to be jailed here. Even first time offenders can cop a sentence, depending on circumstances.

 

Statistically improbable, but at least I know I can't be nailed for drink-driving.

Fair enough.

Having a prison sentence hanging over me if I injured someone in the UK definitely made me more careful after drinking. And pleased to say, I never had a problem.

[MalcolmB]

18 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

what type of foreigner Thailand attracts. 

A very mixed bag, old and young from all corners of the globe I would say. 
 

I disagree with that it is anti social. 
 

I just saw on another thread you discussing having many issues on your motorbike. 
 

I back myself surviving Thailand’s roads in my Vios and Everest longer than you. They are the number one reason Thailands roads are so deadly, not farangs drink driving.

Madness.

 

[richard_smith237]

25 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

A very mixed bag, old and young from all corners of the globe I would say. 

 

Thailand also seems to attract weak guys who think its ok to DUI because others do.

 

25 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I disagree with that it is anti social. 

 

Its not exactly being considerate of those around you, though is it ? (rhetorical) - ergo by the very definition the actions of someone who DUI's could knowingly injure or hurt someone else because they 'didn't want to pay for a taxi' is extremely antisocial... 

 

25 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I just saw on another thread you discussing having many issues on your motorbike. 

 

Erm.. issues ?... You mean the thread were I commented that I shouted "Oiy" by reaction when a motorcyclist cut me up a couple of times...   What relevance does that have to this thread ? 

 

25 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I back myself surviving Thailand’s roads in my Vios and Everest longer than you. They are the number one reason Thailands roads are so deadly, not farangs drink driving.

Madness.

 

There it goes again... Anti-social comment - you are thinking of yourself...  Your survival... not the motorcyclist or pedestrian you could hit because you were drunk and didn't notice them.

 

On the Cars safer than bikes point - I agree... If I did the same mileage on the bike that I do in the car my risk profile would be greatly elevated - but that again does not justify drink driving - neither does thinking you'll outlive someone because you have a car - it just makes you more of an ayhole.

 

I don't ride the bike at night because of the potential for idiots drink driving and poorer visibility... and more lately I take the car and deal with traffic rather than the bike because its just too hot...  the bike is used mainly for local journeys and not so much on the main roads (i.e. Petchaburi / Sukhumvit rds in Bangkok anymore)... as you accurately point out, the risk is higher....  but that risk is not to innocent others, its to myself. 

 

 

You have also made a flawed mistake in isolating 'farangs drink driving' not being deadly - anyone drink driving is more dangerous than they would be otherwise..... You included... 

 

There is no justification for your drink driving other than selfishness....    at least you are honest about it, but all of your arguments presented so far highlight a despicable self centred nature... 

 

... Go for it - get drunk, enjoy yourself - but don't put others at risk with selfishness when you can easily get a taxi - thats even more self centred and stupid than those out in the sticks who have no other options other than not drinking when socialising.

 

 

Edited July 4 by richard_smith237

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

I remember back in the day after the night shift I'd stop for a tall boy for the ride home. Whenever me and my buddies went somewhere we always had a 6er in the car and yes the driver as well.

 

I've played football near home (in Bangkok) and had a couple of beers afterwards...  then had a 3rd and felt really uncomfortable riding the 2km or so home knowing I'm less sharp than I should be...   that was way back - I just get a grab to football or the wife drops me because I know I'll probably have some beers afterwards and I don't need to think about how many I have.

 

 

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

OK so having 10 beers and driving a car is a bad idea. All the Thai drinking joints around me, a large majority of the Thais are drinking hard liquor and I'll bet that most drive themselves home. 

 

And that accounts for the night time carnage we see in the news on a daily basis.

I know a lot of Thai's who drive, know very few who have not had a DUI related crash - they drive when inebriated to the point of hardly being able to walk !!! 

 

 

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

At the local market here there's a group of foreigners every night polishing away massive amounts of large beers, and then they all climb aboard the MB or cars and drive home.

 

Idiotic to the extreme, especially if there are reasonable alternatives.

[MalcolmB]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Its not exactly being considerate of those around you, though is it - ergo by the very definition that the actions of someone who DUI's could knowingly injure or hurt someone else because they 'didn't want to pay for a taxi' is extremely antisocial... 

what your saying has never happened. 
but I have driven other people around after drinking in a social setting hundreds of times. 
You just stick to your bike arguing with the locals and we will see what happens. Britguy or whatever his name is found out, others in wheelchairs and others dead. 
i will contribute to your GoFund Me.

 

You harp on all day as if you are some sort of road safety god then it turns out you regularly have incidents riding motorbikes in Thailand. 
You would have to be stupid to take such a risk in this country in my opinion. A short slow trip in a quiet village maybe. As a regular means of transport, not a chance.

 

It is only a matter of time before you are severely injured or dead. 

[richard_smith237]

55 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

what your saying has never happened. 
but I have driven other people around after drinking in a social setting hundreds of times. 
You just stick to your bike arguing with the locals and we will see what happens. Britguy or whatever his name is found out, others in wheelchairs and others dead. 

 

Its never 'happened to you yet'...     or rather, through drunk driving you have not hurt yourself or someone else 'yet'... 

 

In 2023, approximately 31% of all traffic fatalities worldwide were attributed to alcohol-impaired driving. This translates to an estimated 270,000 deaths globally due to alcohol-impaired driving crashes (SafeTREC) (III) (Injury Facts).

 

Thats just deaths - how many more with life changing injuries caused by people like you - you are clearly not alone though, there are hundreds of thousands of other ayholes in the world.

 

55 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

i will contribute to your GoFund Me.

 

Pathetic distraction - but you are correct. Riding a motorcycle presents elevated risk to my own safety. 

That risk is elevated more IF I were to ride at night because of anti-social selfish people like yourself drunk driving.

 

55 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

You harp on all day as if you are some sort of road safety god then it turns out you regularly have incidents riding motorbikes in Thailand. 

 

Nope, thats your gaslighting exaggeration and a distraction from the point - I don't regularly have incidents on my motorcycle, but it has happend that I've been cut up by other motorcyclists and shouted "Oiy"...    (as per my comment in the other thread which you've chosen to take out of context and exaggerate).

 

55 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

You would have to be stupid to take such a risk in this country in my opinion. A short slow trip in a quiet village maybe. As a regular means of transport, not a chance.

 

I agree....   Its not a regular mode of transport. I have a car for that. 

But, the motorcycle is a convenient means to get around the local area when needed - its riskier than a car, but its a risk profile I balance against the speeds and type of the traffic on the soi's around my home - but again.

 

 

55 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

It is only a matter of time before you are severely injured or dead. 

 

Perhaps...   but again that gaslighting exaggeration and a childish attempt to 'point score'... which is very poor attempt to divert the discussion with a very very daft comparison.... 

 

.. in fact, excluding those who don't wear helmets (50%) one of the reasons motorcycling is so dangerous here is because of drink driving / riding - where drunk drivers cause accidents and kill motorcyclists and drunk riders cause there own demise. 

 

By riding my motorcycle I won't kill innocent others (or its very unlikely)... there is a far higher probability that your anti-social selfish drink driving could, regardless of how careful you think you are while in reality impaired - why otherwise do think the laws exists and study after study shows unequivocal proof.

 

 

I don't know how much further we can go with this discussion - You'll obviously not admit that your drink driving is extremely stupid, shows outrageous disregard for others and is exceptionally selfish....   

 

Not one argument you have presented forms any justification for your drink driving. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 4 by richard_smith237

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

I have driven other people around after drinking in a social setting hundreds of times. 

 

Your comments in this thread and others have presented a very specific traits of which I am now quite certain - you are a a wretched human being with no redeeming characteristics...   

 

I would hope you are different in person as your online persona is repugnant.

 

 

[MangoKorat]

7 hours ago, transam said:

He would be back, probably has his next username already worked out...😂

Yes, you are almost certainly correct. Remembering some of his other posts, I guess I should have realised that he's just one of those sad people who deals with their personal problems by posting deliberately controversial content online. Its genuinely sad that such people can't find better ways to spend their time and make positive contributions to society.

 

He may find it funny to (successfully) wind people up in the way he does but in reality its probably a sign of mental illness - perhaps his way of dealing with an inferiority complex? Maybe people don't talk to him in real life so he feeds off online replies? Who knows but he clearly has some kind of a problem.

 

The internet brings us many benefits but a downside of it is that its also shows you other sides of your fellow man that may not be apparent in normal personal interactions. Another problem is that it provides a platform for all kinds of mentally ill people, even total lunatics, where they can invent personas in order to try and deal with their inadequacies.

 

We don't have to be part of their 'self therapy', thankfully we have an 'ignore' button here - something I'll be using more often rather than falling for the bait.

[MalcolmB]

11 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

in Bangkok) and had a couple of beers afterwards...  then had a 3rd and felt really uncomfortable riding the 2km or so home knowing I'm less sharp than I should be...   that was way back

Are you saying that you consumed alcohol and rode a motorbike in Bangkok?

When you knew you were not in the best condition?

 

Geez.

[MalcolmB]

8 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

We don't have to be part of their 'self therapy', thankfully we have an 'ignore'

Thank god for that.

i don’t think I could have taken much more of your imagined perfect world according to you.

[MalcolmB]

10 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Your comments in this thread and others have presented a very specific traits of which I am now quite certain - you are a a wretched human being with no redeeming characteristics...   

 

I would hope you are different in person as your online persona is repugnant.

 

 

Because I admit the truth, looks like you did also?

 

[PingRoundTheWorld]

On 7/4/2024 at 5:02 AM, motdaeng said:

why do so many foreigners here in thailand think it is their right to drink and drive?

Not sure why you are singling out foreigners. I know a lot more Thai people who drink and drive on a daily basis than foreigners. Many women who work in entertainment drink as part of their job, but drive home afterwards. I'm not condoning it - on the contrary - I've seen the way some of them drive and it's just a matter of time and how bad the accident will be. But to the question at hand: why? because they can, and they've gotten away with it so far. Police rarely enforce drunk driving here. Technically the penalties are very high, but if they're never enforced then what's the point?

[PingRoundTheWorld]

On 7/4/2024 at 6:12 PM, MalcolmB said:

It is only a matter of time before you are severely injured or dead. 

I do agree riding bikes in general is dangerous, and refuse to get on one even as a passenger. You don't have to choose between bikes and driving a car drunk though. Taxis and apps work just fine. Bangkok is extra easy with taxis everywhere and anywhere, Pattaya Bolt works well enough (InDrive and Grab less so), and Phuket you're better off not visiting anyway. 🤣

 

 

I rarely ever ride bikes at all - but I managed to get injured riding ones 3 times in Thailand. Minor injuries but it's indicative of worse that could easily happen. Since the last one which was very bleedy I've decided to completely abort any and all future bike rides. It's not safe and not worth it.

 

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

not worth it.

That is exactly it.