Swift endorsement turns more voters from harris than it attracts…

[cjinchiangrai]

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, you don't get it. Swift HERSELF saw that her endorsing political candidates is wrong. She said so HERSELF!

 

"During an interview with Time to promote her 2012 album "Red," Swift dodged questions about the upcoming presidential election.

Swift said she'd been following the race between President Obama and Republican nominee Mitt Romney, but she felt uncomfortable trying to influence her fans."I try to keep myself as educated and informed as possible. But I don't talk about politics because it might influence other people," Swift said. 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/taylor-swift-politics-endorsements-timeline#ahead-of-the-2012-election-swift-declined-to-comment-on-politics-2

 

Obviously she was right then. She understood the problematic nature of pop star endorsements and refrained from doing so herself.

 

However, she has the moral backbone of an alley cat and then turns around and does exactly the opposite of what she KNOWS is the right thing to do.

 

 

She is just drowning out your BS. There is nothing altruistic about Trump. He is running to avoid prison and to rob his minion.

[earlinclaifornia]

3 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Tens of millions of Americans vote and love him.

He wouldn’t make the cut in any other country.

What is it about you Americans that makes it possible for a person you have described to be voted in as president?

Disstain for any politician. Feeling like they will not ever get ahead. Government only takes from them.

The real time projections for people feeling like someone else is getting some, while they are left out

 

This and the way Hillary was deamonized was a huge wave of dispair. 

Trump took this antiness and bread it to MAGA cult

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Disstain for any politician. Feeling like they will not ever get ahead. Government only takes from them.

The real time projections for people feeling like someone else is getting some, while they are left out

 

This and the way Hillary was deamonized was a huge wave of dispair. 

Trump took this antiness and bread it to MAGA cult

 

 

Totally the wrong person the US nation needed at that point in time.......sorry........at any point in time.

[earlinclaifornia]

1 hour ago, bubblegum said:

Folks, where is Suzy?

Check to see who has the location of another assassin!

[Callmeishmael]

Many years ago Mark Twain said, "There are lies, and there are damn lies and then there are statistics" or words similar to that. 

 

When looking at a poll, you have to look at what was really asked and of whom.  In this particular poll All Potential Voters were asked how they felt about Swift's endorsement.  Naturally, the voters who were already favoring Trump gave one answer and the voters who already favored Harris gave another. 

 

The Poll did not ask if Swift's endorsement made them change from Trump to Harris or vice versa. 

 

Celebrity endorsements rarely have much of an impact on how people vote, and I think that this will be the case in this instance.

[Wrwest]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No problems in my lane, and I'm capable of reading the rules concerning attacking other posters, unlike some on here.

 

Meanwhile your preferred candidate is still not well ahead of Trump. You must be concerned that he may yet win the prize.

True, not well ahead ... just ahead ...

[Cameroni]

34 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Of course yes 2012.....and people are never allowed to change their minds are they.....unless you've dug yourself into a huge whole with 50% of the voting population who want control over their own bodies....then it's oh...it's got to be longer than six weeks....oh...it has to be decided by each state....

 

Btw, I think it's wrong to see abortion in this way. Abortion is not just about women controlling their bodies, it is also about the right of another life, and also about the right of the father. It's not a one-dimensional issue.

 

The states shouild decide. It's the democratic thing to do.

[marin]

How many women have you slept with Cameroni?

[cjinchiangrai]

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Btw, I think it's wrong to see abortion in this way. Abortion is not just about women controlling their bodies, it is also about the right of another life, and also about the right of the father. It's not a one-dimensional issue.

 

The states shouild decide. It's the democratic thing to do.

Hardly

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Btw, I think it's wrong to see abortion in this way. Abortion is not just about women controlling their bodies, it is also about the right of another life, and also about the right of the father. It's not a one-dimensional issue.

 

The states shouild decide. It's the democratic thing to do.

 

I'm lost....if you return it the States (primarily fat, middle aged white men, but that's another argument) and the States come up with everything from no abortions to abortions on demand.......where are your morals at????

[cjinchiangrai]

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

I'll tell you what's scary, the abortion without limitations which Taylor Swift, Walz and Harris support.

No such thing. Abortions have always had some restrictions. Not only by law.

[Will B Good]

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I'll tell you what's scary, the abortion without limitations which Taylor Swift, Walz and Harris support.

 

 

 

...and of course you trot that out with no evidence whatsoever.....so I won't expect a reply....if I ask for any.

[Will B Good]

4 minutes ago, marin said:

How many women have you slept with Cameroni?

 

One...he's not a slapper.

 

Never even masturbated I bet.

[cjinchiangrai]

Just now, Will B Good said:

 

...and of course you trot that out with no evidence whatsoever.....so I won't expect a reply....if I ask for any.

Wait for it.... Here it comes....... 10th month abortions!

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

 

...and of course you trot that out with no evidence whatsoever.....so I won't expect a reply....if I ask for any.

 

I didn't believe it existed either. Until I read the Minnesota Public Radio news:

 

Under current law, abortion is allowed in late-term pregnancy — though it’s worth noting that these cases are very rare. Lawmakers passed and Walz last year signed a law removing many of the restrictions on abortion in the state. 

 

https://www.mprnews.org/episode/2024/09/11/minnesota-mentions-trump-harris-presidential-debate

[CallumWK]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

Just because the Biden data is irrelevant, that doesn't mean that the Trump data is.

 

Yes it is, because it is a comparison between TWO specific presidential candidates, and one is gone.

 

See, you have so little that you don't even know what you're quoting. In other words, you got NOTHING

[cjinchiangrai]

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

I didn't believe it existed either. Until I read the Minnesota Public Radio news:

 

Under current law, abortion is allowed in late-term pregnancy — though it’s worth noting that these cases are very rare. Lawmakers passed and Walz last year signed a law removing many of the restrictions on abortion in the state. 

 

https://www.mprnews.org/episode/2024/09/11/minnesota-mentions-trump-harris-presidential-debate

But there are also restrictions on providers by medical boards and ethics rules. They wisely left it to medicine.

[Cameroni]

10 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

No such thing. Abortions have always had some restrictions. Not only by law.

 

Not in Minnesota, thanks to Tim Walz. Alll restrictions on abortion were removed:

 

"Under current law, abortion is allowed in late-term pregnancy — though it’s worth noting that these cases are very rare. Lawmakers passed and Walz last year signed a law removing many of the restrictions on abortion in the state. 

 

https://www.mprnews.org/episode/2024/09/11/minnesota-mentions-trump-harris-presidential-debate

 

Late-term pregnancy is defined as 41 0/7 to 41 6/7 weeks. 

 

https://www.msdmanuals.com/professional/gynecology-and-obstetrics/approach-to-the-pregnant-woman-and-prenatal-care/late-term-and-postterm-pregnancy#Management_v25896684

Edited September 17 by Cameroni

[Cameroni]

Yes. Abortion is legal in Minnesota. There is no limit on abortion in Minnesota based on how far along in pregnancy you are. 

 

https://www.abortionfinder.org/abortion-guides-by-state/abortion-in-minnesota

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I didn't believe it existed either. Until I read the Minnesota Public Radio news:

 

Under current law, abortion is allowed in late-term pregnancy — though it’s worth noting that these cases are very rare. Lawmakers passed and Walz last year signed a law removing many of the restrictions on abortion in the state. 

 

https://www.mprnews.org/episode/2024/09/11/minnesota-mentions-trump-harris-presidential-debate

 

"I'll tell you what's scary, the abortion without limitations"

 

"Walz last year signed a law removing many of the restrictions on abortion"

 

See the difference in your two statements???

 

 

Medical guidelines govern the availability of abortion services at later stages. Most providers follow medical standards that limit abortion to a certain point in pregnancy, often around the point of viability (approximately 24 weeks). After viability, abortion procedures are performed only in cases of medical necessity, where the life or health of the pregnant person is at serious risk or in instances of severe fetal abnormalities

[Captain Flack]

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[cjinchiangrai]

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

Yes. Abortion is legal in Minnesota. There is no limit on abortion in Minnesota based on how far along in pregnancy you are. 

 

https://www.abortionfinder.org/abortion-guides-by-state/abortion-in-minnesota

Just because the state does not impose restrictions does not mean there are none. Doctors are not going to abort a viable near term foetus. No matter how much you stomp your feet.

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Just because the state does not impose restrictions does not mean there are none. Doctors are not going to abort a viable near term foetus. No matter how much you stomp your feet.

 

You mean bash his Trump Bible.

[Cameroni]

2 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Just because the state does not impose restrictions does not mean there are none. Doctors are not going to abort a viable near term foetus. No matter how much you stomp your feet.

 

During Tuesday night’s presidential debate with former President Donald Trump, Vice President Kamala Harris refused to say whether she opposes late-term abortions and denied that they happen in the United States.

 

However, more than a dozen states, in fact, allow on-demand abortions after the point of viability, and nine of those states permit abortions throughout the entirety of pregnancy.

 

What’s more, studies from pro-abortion groups and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that thousands of abortions happen late into pregnancy every year.

 

https://www.ncregister.com/cna/post-debate-explainer-the-truth-about-late-term-abortions-in-the-united-states

[Will B Good]

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

During Tuesday night’s presidential debate with former President Donald Trump, Vice President Kamala Harris refused to say whether she opposes late-term abortions and denied that they happen in the United States.

 

However, more than a dozen states, in fact, allow on-demand abortions after the point of viability, and nine of those states permit abortions throughout the entirety of pregnancy.

 

What’s more, studies from pro-abortion groups and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that thousands of abortions happen late into pregnancy every year.

 

https://www.ncregister.com/cna/post-debate-explainer-the-truth-about-late-term-abortions-in-the-united-states

 

 

OMG...are you serious?.....that is exactly what you applauded Trump for....the right for states to decide.....do you not see the irony??????

[cjinchiangrai]

Just now, Will B Good said:

 

You mean bash his Trump Bible.

And spout a bunch of phoney conspiracy theories. They are pretending that Trump really cares about abortion. Minnesota was smart enough to avoid stupid laws like reimplanting ectopic pregnancies.

[Will B Good]

Just now, cjinchiangrai said:

And spout a bunch of phoney conspiracy theories. They are pretending that Trump really cares about abortion. Minnesota was smart enough to avoid stupid laws like reimplanting ectopic pregnancies.

 

Trump cares about one thing only.

[cjinchiangrai]

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

 

Trump cares about one thing only.

So does Jack Smith

[Cameroni]

Minnesota, the home state of Harris’ running mate, Gov. Tim Walz, has some of the most permissive pro-abortion laws in the country. Walz signed legislation in January 2023 that declared abortion “a fundamental right” and prohibited local governments from taking any action that interferes with that legal right. This provided even stronger protections for Minnesota’s laws on abortion, which permit the procedure until the moment of birth.

 

However, the CDC does report its estimates of how many abortions occur in the 21st week of pregnancy or later. In 2019, the CDC estimated about 4,882 abortions were performed at least 21 weeks or later into pregnancy. The data is incomplete because it excludes the nine states that permit abortions at that stage of pregnancy and the District of Columbia.

 

The pro-abortion Guttmacher Institute, which provides estimates through voluntary surveys, reported that about 0.9% of abortions were conducted in the 21st week or later in 2023. The report estimated more than 1 million total abortions, which would mean that more than 9,000 abortions occurred in the 21st week or later.

 

If the Guttmacher Institute’s reporting is correct, this would mean that, on average, between 24 and 25 abortions in the 21st week or later occur every day in the United States.

 

https://www.ncregister.com/cna/post-debate-explainer-the-truth-about-late-term-abortions-in-the-united-states

 

This is why Taylor Swift voted for Harris. She wants unfettered abortion where women can decide right up to the 9th month to get an abortion for any reason.

 

This is morally wrong, 

[impulse]

4 hours ago, Kwaibill said:

Do the names Ronald Reagan or Arnold  Shwartzenegge ring a familiar note.?

 

They got elected.  By voters. 

 

Not that I think Swift couldn't win in California.  She may be able to beat Newsom.   But she couldn't afford the pay cut, and hasn't the stomach for the criticism.  So she won't run.