Feel sorry for AN posters who bought electric

[malathione]

6 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

It says that EVs are great for some lifestyles, not so ideal for others.  If I ever become a 2 car family again (of me, myself and I), my primary car will be an EV.  Because they're ideal for 80% of my usage.  But totally unsuited for that other 20%, based on current infrastructure and my occasional road trips to the boondocks.

 

Until the infrastructure matures, I'll stick with ICE because it meets 99% of my needs.  I still need to occasionally hire a big truck for moving stuff, even with a van in the USA and a pickup in Thailand.

 

But I don't hate EVs.  I'm cheering them on, and hoping the technologies catch on for other uses.  Like (for example) charging the car at night when the electricity is cheap, and using it to power the house when rates skyrocket during peak times.  That could save a lot of us $100's on electricity every month, even if it seldom leaves the driveway.  For others, it's not a benefit.

 

Absolutely. And I concur. What gets my goat is some of the EV militants who think their lifestyle is all that exists. If I were to drive largely in town or just take short hops, no question, EV's are far superior.

[richard_smith237]

On 9/30/2024 at 12:18 PM, MalcolmB said:

The climate deniers love pointing out that electric cars depreciate.

While ignoring that all cars depreciate.

They are not very bright generally. 

 

I would hesitate to label those opposed to electric vehicles (EVs) as climate deniers, as such a generalization reflects poorly on the one making it as do sweeping generalizations of any such manner. 

 

That said, my primary concern about EVs relates to their retained value once the battery warranty expires.

 

I am open to hearing factual insights regarding any depreciation or stability in value at that point.

 

While I have encountered articles suggesting that EVs do not experience a significant drop in value after the warranty ends, I would appreciate more substantial evidence before committing to an EV - Though as the competition grows EV’s are starting look like a far more viable option, especially Bangkok and my next car is likely to be an EV. 

 

 

That said - from another perspective China coal extraction & consumption has increase by 3x over the past decade (no link to that as I’m on my phone, but factual articles are out there highlighting this). 

 

 

[MalcolmB]

24 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I would hesitate to label those opposed to electric vehicles (EVs) as climate deniers,

I didn’t say that

[UWEB]

3 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

Amazing,

Since 5 month I have my EV now and have driven 6500 km. In the first two month I have had no own Wall Charger at home and had to use public Chargers and payed 2.700 THB for 2500 km driving. For the other 4000 km I used my own Charger connected to my Solar, so I paid nothing at all.

[KhunLA]

41 minutes ago, UWEB said:

Since 5 month I have my EV now and have driven 6500 km. In the first two month I have had no own Wall Charger at home and had to use public Chargers and payed 2.700 THB for 2500 km driving. For the other 4000 km I used my own Charger connected to my Solar, so I paid nothing at all.

My last ICEV would have cost ~฿6400 to drive 2500 kms

If charging at home @ ฿5 / kWh, our EV would cost ... ~฿1600

฿2700 @ CS ... not bad at all, considering the alterative  ~฿6400

Also charge at home w/excess solar 👍

[Celsius]

8 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

My last ICEV would have cost ~฿6400 to drive 2500 kms

If charging at home @ ฿5 / kWh, our EV would cost ... ~฿1600

฿2700 @ CS ... not bad at all, considering the alterative  ~฿6400

Also charge at home w/excess solar 👍

 

And so what? 

 

My wife pays big fat zero for gas. She gets refunded in full every month by her company. Also insurance. One of the reasons why she won't switch to electric. Charging at home is not a reality for many.

[KhunLA]

4 hours ago, G_Money said:

So how many charging stations have you been to?  Approximately 

 

All over Thailand or only close by you home?

We're O&A more than most, I think, and have used about 50 CS (public Charging Stations), in 23 months, and only 1 was inop.   Simply went to the next one down the road, think it was 12 kms away.

 

Before you ask, have yet to Q up, and wait to plug in.  One was full when we arrived, but before we had time to check the app for next available, it was free to use.

 

And we've traveled weekends, long weekend, as far north as Chiang Mai, and south to Betong, Yala, east to Trat, and most places in between.  Only made it to Nong Bua LamPhu (furthest) in the NE.

 

[SingAPorn]

Electric car sales are crashing low all over the world. Nobody in Europe wants to switch to electric plainly because that these cars will be useless after multiple charging cycles of the batteries. Not to forget the drop in the charge in the harsh cold climates anywhere. An EV may claim say to run 500 or 600 km with one charge. But keep in mind that this capacity drops as fast as the temperatures can drop in harsh winters of the west. Really not a good deal for the moment to switch EV. Sales are dwindling all over the world as consumers are aware that for the moment it is not a good deal. Sorry.

[KhunLA]

5 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

And so what? 

 

My wife pays big fat zero for gas. She gets refunded in full every month by her company. Also insurance. One of the reasons why she won't switch to electric. Charging at home is not a reality for many.

Well ... like you said ... so what ?

 

If some company said, we'll give you a free car, gas, insurance, just put in your 40 hrs a week for us ... .think I'd say shove it.  I have a BEV & Solar ... 

 

That's one pineapple & beef steak comparison ... 😎

What ever spin works for you.

Edited 21 minutes ago by KhunLA

[Celsius]

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

Well ... like you said ... so what ?

 

If some company said, we'll give you a free car, gas, insurance, just put in your 40 hrs a week for us ... .think I'd say shove it.  I have a BEV & Solar ... 

 

That's one pineapple & beef steak comparison ... 😎

What ever spin works for you.

 

It is absolutely the same comparison ad you charging at home.

 

And that map of yours is not based in reality. Wifey drives to Chonburi/Rayong once a week to visit customers and if there are any charging stations they are not on the way. If she was driving electric she would get fired.

Edited 19 minutes ago by Celsius

[KhunLA]

7 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

It is absolutely the same comparison ad you charging at home.

Seriously ... I did a simple cost comparison. 

 

You did a lifestyle comparison.   Just a wee bit different.  Now for a fair (almost) comparison.

 

You have a choice of 2 cars ...

... identical buy in cost

... same comfort level

... same performance level (being kind)

 

BUT ... one cost at least 2X to operate & maintain, which would you take ?

Edited 11 minutes ago by KhunLA

[Gweiloman]

2 hours ago, malathione said:

Absolutely. And I concur. What gets my goat is some of the EV militants who think their lifestyle is all that exists. If I were to drive largely in town or just take short hops, no question, EV's are far superior.

As far as I can recall, not a single EV owner on this forum has stated that EVs are suited for everyone. Most have gone to great lengths to state exactly the opposite, that if you are a regular long distance driver or have no access to home charging, an EV is probably not a good choice.

 

No one has ever stated that their lifestyles is all that exists. However, I personally don’t know anyone who regularly drives long distances, requiring multiple charging stops to reach their destinations. I’ve had my EV for over a year. The longest journey I’ve made since buying it was from CM to Pai. Did this without having to stop and charge anywhere. If I were to go to Bkk from CM, to where I used to live, it’s a distance of 720 km. This would require 1 charging stop, same as for an ICEV. Since I would have to make multiple stops for food, rest and nature calls, I don’t see how an EV would be inferior in performance.

 

Of course there will always be someone different. There was a poster recently who claims that he drives from Phuket to BKK 5 times a week. Also, he gets calls from his employer in the middle of the night telling him to make a 300 km journey pronto. In his case, he really should just drive a pickup with an auxiliary fuel tank in his cab.

[UWEB]

16 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

Electric car sales are crashing low all over the world. Nobody in Europe wants to switch to electric plainly because that these cars will be useless after multiple charging cycles of the batteries. Not to forget the drop in the charge in the harsh cold climates anywhere. An EV may claim say to run 500 or 600 km with one charge. But keep in mind that this capacity drops as fast as the temperatures can drop in harsh winters of the west. Really not a good deal for the moment to switch EV. Sales are dwindling all over the world as consumers are aware that for the moment it is not a good deal. Sorry.

Yes, that's why the a Country like Norway has no EV's at all, just too cold.

https://techxplore.com/news/2024-09-norway-electric-car-sales-world.html

Edited 6 minutes ago by UWEB

[Gweiloman]

15 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

And so what? 

 

My wife pays big fat zero for gas. She gets refunded in full every month by her company. Also insurance. One of the reasons why she won't switch to electric. Charging at home is not a reality for many.

 

8 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

It is absolutely the same comparison ad you charging at home.

 

And that map of yours is not based in reality. Wifey drives to Chonburi/Rayong once a week to visit customers and if there are any charging stations they are not on the way. If she was driving electric she would get fired.

What complete nonsense and utter rubbish. If I was still working and my company was paying for my petrol, of course I would drive a petrol car. On the other hand, if my company was paying for my electricity bill at home, which was in fact the case and not for my petrol, then I would drive an EV. 
 

Just because your “wifey” visits customers in the middle of nowhere where they are probably burning kerosene in oil lamps for light doesn’t mean that there aren’t PTT, PT and Bangchak charging stations along the way. And if doesn’t see any charging stations, it’s probably because she isn’t looking for one (why would she?) or visually challenged, to say the least.