Brexit Tensions Resurface Amid Starmer's Push for Youth Mobility Scheme

[MarkBR]

12 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The guy is tone deaf. As if he hasn't upset enough people he now wants to start stoking the fires of Brexit all over again.

 

We've had the plethora of bribes from Lord Alli, the 20 Billion "black hole" that they cannot give details on, the removal of the pensioners fuel allowance, the hiking of school fees, and now he wants to prod the 52% that voted for Brexit.

 

All of this before what is sure to be a money grabbing, tax hiking budget. 

 

What a disaster. 

 

 

Brexit was disaster for Britain, depriving young people of opportunities, and British business is now strangled by red tape because we are no longer part of the EU, we are a country outside of the EU.  We are losing billions of Pounds.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So not a will of the people type after all.

 

2016 + 41 = 2057.

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1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

More important than fixing the UK’s relationship with its closest and most important trading partner?

 

It's not just a trading partner - that's the problem.

[nauseus]

32 minutes ago, 3STTW said:

Back when I were a lad (groan), you could get an Interail ticket and travel free around Europe for a month for ~110 quid. I did it four times from age 15 - 18 and I leaned more in those 4 months than my entire school career. Travel broadens the mind isn't just a cliché. And this all happened before the Treaties for Maastricht, Lisbon, open borders and the introduction of the Euro. The EEC was just a price fixing coal and steel cartel.

In terms of mobility, my youth was diametrically opposite to the youth of today who have suffered years in lockdown, resulting in a generation of meek, fragile daisies whose only salvation in life is government benefits.

So, yes, youth mobility is important.

As far as the UK rejoining the EU, it's not going to happen. The EU economic model has collapsed - in exactly the same way that economists were predicting 15 years ago. Germany's manufacturing core has imploded and the French are on an express train to bankruptcy.

The only reason why the EU would accept the UK back into the fold would be it's deep pockets and, thanks to Covid, those days are gone. Any hope that the UK economy is going to regain it's foothold is being rapidly deconstructed by Starmer, Reeves and Milliband with their boneheaded Marxist whims and their penchant for ideological policy over fact-based economic sense.

 

Yes, agree, that's part of what I meant when I mentioned price. Plus we would have to lose the Pound - it is sick but it is ours.

[nauseus]

22 minutes ago, MarkBR said:

Brexit was disaster for Britain, depriving young people of opportunities, and British business is now strangled by red tape because we are no longer part of the EU, we are a country outside of the EU.  We are losing billions of Pounds.

 

And all that red tape comes from?? Most of it was only created as means of controls and revenue for the damn EU. 

[frank83628]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Many of the people who voted for Brexit have changed their minds.

 

 

 

 

about 6

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

And all that red tape comes from?? Most of it was only created as means of controls and revenue for the damn EU. 

UK exporters were not subject to any of it before Brexit.

 

And no not to control revenue, to control quality and level field of trading across the world’s largest developed integrated market.

 

[3STTW]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

UK exporters were not subject to any of it before Brexit.

 

And no not to control revenue, to control quality and level field of trading across the world’s largest developed integrated market.

 

Internalising markets, whether in a sole country or a cartel, has been proven, many times, to be a disaster. Thanks to this policy, the EU is so far behind in terms of economic flexibility, energy production and technology, it can no longer catch up.

The EU model was predicated on a "United States of Europe", in spite of the introduction of the Euro, the bloc has failed to introduce a common taxation framework and establish a bank of last resort. The ECB is basically a dead flogged horse that has no power to exert the fiscal controls necessary to moderate the EU's diverse economic structure.

And that structure is literally falling apart, on the news, every day.

Since Brexit, the UK economy has diversified and expanded into numerous global markets. The banking industry is regretting their move to Paris and Frankfurt and are moving back to London, there's British seafood products on sale in Japan at $100/kg and the "beleaguered" car industry is doing just fine. And so on.

The only thing that will scupper this success is the Labour government and the incoherent net-zero ideology of the fu*kwit Ed Milliband. With UK energy prices approaching 4x it's neighbours, that genius has just denied the UK any chance of leveling the playing field by cancelling the UK's only energy safety net. With a net global emissions reduction of about 0.001%. Stupid c**t.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

18 minutes ago, 3STTW said:

 

Internalising markets, whether in a sole country or a cartel, has been proven, many times, to be a disaster. Thanks to this policy, the EU is so far behind in terms of economic flexibility, energy production and technology, it can no longer catch up.

The EU model was predicated on a "United States of Europe", in spite of the introduction of the Euro, the bloc has failed to introduce a common taxation framework and establish a bank of last resort. The ECB is basically a dead flogged horse that has no power to exert the fiscal controls necessary to moderate the EU's diverse economic structure.

And that structure is literally falling apart, on the news, every day.

Since Brexit, the UK economy has diversified and expanded into numerous global markets. The banking industry is regretting their move to Paris and Frankfurt and are moving back to London, there's British seafood products on sale in Japan at $100/kg and the "beleaguered" car industry is doing just fine. And so on.

The only thing that will scupper this success is the Labour government and the incoherent net-zero ideology of the fu*kwit Ed Milliband. With UK energy prices approaching 4x it's neighbours, that genius has just denied the UK any chance of leveling the playing field by cancelling the UK's only energy safety net. With a net global emissions reduction of about 0.001%. Stupid c**t.

 

Just one of many examples of what you are missing:

 

“Zoom out from trade and look at total business investment across the entire UK economy, and two things jump out: first, it suddenly stopped going up after the 2016 referendum; second, we have failed to see a vigorous bounce back from Covid. Post-lockdown and post-hard Brexit, business investment is 10 per cent down on 2019, and vastly down on where it would have been if pre-2016 expansion had continued. “
 

And let’s have another for good measure:

 

“New report reveals UK economy is almost £140billion smaller because of Brexit”

 

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/38650/the-true-economic-cost-of-brexit-is-finally-becoming-clear?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAp9SDIs7REsUcp2tsaeBDXIP7zIXN&gclid=CjwKCAjwgfm3BhBeEiwAFfxrG42x9VIq5ZSL21l8l2ePWouIT5Wk0yC93orFOIRR5k5yMMEPF7ONYxoCPN0QAvD_BwE

 

https://www.london.gov.uk/new-report-reveals-uk-economy-almost-ps140billion-smaller-because-brexit

Edited 3 hours ago by Chomper Higgot

[candide]

1 hour ago, 3STTW said:

 

Internalising markets, whether in a sole country or a cartel, has been proven, many times, to be a disaster. Thanks to this policy, the EU is so far behind in terms of economic flexibility, energy production and technology, it can no longer catch up.

The EU model was predicated on a "United States of Europe", in spite of the introduction of the Euro, the bloc has failed to introduce a common taxation framework and establish a bank of last resort. The ECB is basically a dead flogged horse that has no power to exert the fiscal controls necessary to moderate the EU's diverse economic structure.

And that structure is literally falling apart, on the news, every day.

Since Brexit, the UK economy has diversified and expanded into numerous global markets. The banking industry is regretting their move to Paris and Frankfurt and are moving back to London, there's British seafood products on sale in Japan at $100/kg and the "beleaguered" car industry is doing just fine. And so on.

The only thing that will scupper this success is the Labour government and the incoherent net-zero ideology of the fu*kwit Ed Milliband. With UK energy prices approaching 4x it's neighbours, that genius has just denied the UK any chance of leveling the playing field by cancelling the UK's only energy safety net. With a net global emissions reduction of about 0.001%. Stupid c**t.

 

What a success! 😀

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/

[RayC]

2 hours ago, 3STTW said:

 

Internalising markets, whether in a sole country or a cartel, has been proven, many times, to be a disaster. Thanks to this policy, the EU is so far behind in terms of economic flexibility, energy production and technology, it can no longer catch up.

 

I disagree completely. Where are these many proven examples? Where is the evidence that the Single Market has had a negative effect on flexibility(?), energy production and technology within the EU?

 

Far from being a disaster, the Single Market has been an overwhelming success. The free movement of goods, services, capital and human resources  have all stimulated economic growth.

 

In addition, the combined value of the Single Market means that the EU has a far superior position compared to the UK when it comes to negotiating external trade deals.

 

2 hours ago, 3STTW said:

 

The EU model was predicated on a "United States of Europe", in spite of the introduction of the Euro, the bloc has failed to introduce a common taxation framework and establish a bank of last resort. The ECB is basically a dead flogged horse that has no power to exert the fiscal controls necessary to moderate the EU's diverse economic structure.

 

The EU model was not predicated on a "United States of Europe", and the very fact that it operates outside of this model proves that federalism is not a necessary condition for its' existence 

 

However, you do have a point wrt the ECB. Whilst I wouldn't go as far as to say that the ECB is "a dead flogged horse", it is certainly far from a Derby winner. The ECB has been largely successful in controlling inflation throughout its' existence, but it was almost completely ineffective when it came to regulatory matters for the first 15 years of irs' existence. It is now more proactive in this regard.

 

The elephant in the ECB's room is not so much its' lack of fiscal tools but the single currency itself. The introduction and implementation of the Euro was completely blotched. Whether the fiscal and monetary rules governing the implementation of the Euro would have been sufficient to allow to be a success is highly debatable. What is incontestable is that having developed rules to then disregard them completely was an act of wanton irresponsibility, and the member states continue to pay the price today.

 

2 hours ago, 3STTW said:

 

And that structure is literally falling apart, on the news, every day.

 

?

 

2 hours ago, 3STTW said:

Since Brexit, the UK economy has diversified and expanded into numerous global markets. The banking industry is regretting their move to Paris and Frankfurt and are moving back to London, there's British seafood products on sale in Japan at $100/kg and the "beleaguered" car industry is doing just fine. And so on.

 

You supply no evidence to support the rhetoric. Where and how has the UK economy diversified since Brexit? The UK is still reliant on services, in particular the Financial Services sector.

 

Whilst it is true that some banks are re-locating their HQs back to the UK, during the period 2018 and 2021, there was an 18% decrease in financial services exports to the EU, with only a 4% increase in exports to non-EU countries to offset it. This is in addition to the exodus of capital in the immediate aftermath of the referendum.

 

Wrt goods. There has been no significant upturn in manufacturing in the UK, and the much promised trade deals with the US, China, India, etc - which were supposedly going to be so simple to conclude outside of the EU - remain nothing more than a figment of a Brexiter's imagination.

 

2 hours ago, 3STTW said:

The only thing that will scupper this success is the Labour government and the incoherent net-zero ideology of the fu*kwit Ed Milliband. With UK energy prices approaching 4x it's neighbours, that genius has just denied the UK any chance of leveling the playing field by cancelling the UK's only energy safety net. With a net global emissions reduction of about 0.001%. Stupid c**t.
 

 

If this is success then the sooner the Labour government scupper it, the better.

[RayC]

12 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

I think 3 months is enough time to see where he wants to go!

 

The direction of travel will be (largely) dictated by the cost. Maybe all will become clearer after the budget 

[RayC]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

2016 + 41 = 2057.

 

Year the first Brexit benefit appears?

 

If so, you are clearly more optimistic than Jacob Rees-Moog; he reckons that it was will take 70 years for the benefits to become obvious.

[RayC]

14 hours ago, John Drake said:

Youth Mobility Scheme sounds like a way for France and Germany to unload their migrants on to the UK

 

Can you explain how?

[RayC]

Why the opposition to this proposal?

 

It is very limited in its' scope. It does not form part of a broader immigration strategy. It merely offers youngsters the opportunity to have a different cultural experience ... oh, hold on ..... I might have answered my question: We don't want to run the risk of any of that dirty continental culture finding its' way into our pure British culture, do we?