Spreaders of Conspiracy Theories: Unmasking the Motivations Behind the Lies

[Yagoda]

11 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Firstly, how do you define "the Left". Does it really exist in America? To an outsider like me, it seems there is no such thing. You mean it as an insult, which it isn't outside of the US. You speak for all American Jews it seems. But only to further your invective against your construct of "the Left". Even if it did exist, how many Jews count themselves part of it? Jews have always been part of, leaders of, in some cases, a strong tradition of intellectually independent liberal thinking. It's Arabs and Muslims who have borne the brunt of hate crimes since October 7th, just as they did after 9/11. They might well benefit from 2A. But that's what it was designed to do, right? One size fits all.

I dont speak for any Jews, they can speak for themselves. And all of you European leftists are the intellectual descendants of Italian Fascism, National Socialism and Marxism-Leninism which has been instrumental in pursuing a jew hating agenda, as have their moronic leftist/muslim allies here.

 

You better check your hate crime figures. All of my Jewish friends are splurging on good stuff (Tavors, AUGs, custom Colt 1911s) and blowing through some ammo 55555555

[bradiston]

On 10/7/2024 at 7:03 AM, impulse said:

 

It's a piece of drivel, conveniently forgetting revelations in the Twitter files, Zuck coming forward (4 years later) and apologizing for squelching accurate information, 51 "intelligence experts" claiming the laptop was fake, claims that the vaccine was "one shot, then you can visit grandma" (and that there would be no adverse side effects), shutting down restaurants was "following the science", but keeping the liquor stores open was okay, that walking on the beach (in the winter) is crazy dangerous, and on and on.

 

Way too many conspiracy theories have been coming true, especially since voice has been given to people outside the MSM.   Voices that they'd rather you not listen to.

 

List these "way too many conspiracy theories" that have miraculously "come true". Of course it's a stupid remark, because conspiracy theorists will never admit they were wrong. Trump is a shining example. The COVID crowd another. A hoax? Do me a favour! Ask the families of those who lost loved ones. Sandy Hook? Fat slob Alex Jones came a cropper there for perpetuating his filthy lies. Deep state? Kidnapped kids? Qanon? Your source material IS MSM, so you must spend many hours poring over it looking for yet another theory, like in "A Beautiful Mind". Seen it? Linking up totally disparate and unrelated ads and headlines in newspapers and magazines? At least Nash was a genius and came up with his original idea despite his very troubled mind. I don't see any such brilliance in you guys. Just the old chip on the shoulder, bitter, resentful biting of the hand that you feed from. Nothing original. Nothing worth reading.

 

All media ends up as MSM. It's a consumable. Copy is consumable, whatever it's origin. It's inescapable.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I dont speak for any Jews, they can speak for themselves. And all of you European leftists are the intellectual descendants of Italian Fascism, National Socialism and Marxism-Leninism which has been instrumental in pursuing a jew hating agenda, as have their moronic leftist/muslim allies here.

 

You better check your hate crime figures. All of my Jewish friends are splurging on good stuff (Tavors, AUGs, custom Colt 1911s) and blowing through some ammo 55555555

Given the garbage you come out it’s just as well you don’t speak for others.

 

Especially on matters relating to European political history.

 

You are entitled to embarrass yourself, it’s for the good you don’t embarrass yourself others on their behalf.

[bradiston]

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I dont speak for any Jews, they can speak for themselves. And all of you European leftists are the intellectual descendants of Italian Fascism, National Socialism and Marxism-Leninism which has been instrumental in pursuing a jew hating agenda, as have their moronic leftist/muslim allies here.

 

You better check your hate crime figures. All of my Jewish friends are splurging on good stuff (Tavors, AUGs, custom Colt 1911s) and blowing through some ammo 55555555

Oh 55555. Good stuff? Drivel. Never heard of Bacon, Locke, Voltaire, Rousseau, Kant, Hegel, Marcuse, Marx (yes, Karl himself), Lukacs, Althusser, Heidegger, Kierkegaard, Sartre and a million other European philosophers and writers? So damn' ignorant. Of your own history, let alone European.

[Yagoda]

Just now, bradiston said:

Oh 55555. Good stuff? Drivel. Never heard of Bacon, Locke, Voltaire, Rousseau, Kant, Hegel, Marcuse, Marx (yes, Karl himself), Lukacs, Althusser, Heidegger, Kierkegaard, Sartre and a million other European philosophers and writers? So damn' ignorant. Of your own history, let alone European.

You left out a bunch but hey, no one is denying the greats of Western Civilization. But socialism is a disease and thank god its not in the usa.

[impulse]

19 minutes ago, bradiston said:

List these "way too many conspiracy theories" that have miraculously "come true".

 

You mean like Biden's senile, the laptop is Hunter's and there are vaccine side effects?

 

I could rattle off a hundred more, just from the past few years.  But you'd have to hold your nose and click on some non-approved sources to get wind of them.

 

[Yagoda]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Given the garbage you come out it’s just as well you don’t speak for others.

 

Especially on matters relating to European political history.

 

You are entitled to embarrass yourself, it’s for the good you don’t embarrass yourself others on their behalf.

I find that the Left hates to be reminded of National Socialism, even though their policies go hand in hand.

 

Your insults are weak and boring.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I find that the Left hates to be reminded of National Socialism, even though their policies go hand in hand.

 

Your insults are weak and boring.

I for one rather enjoy low fact right wingers exposing their ignorance on the matter. 

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You mean like Biden's senile, the laptop is Hunter's and there are vaccine side effects?

 

I could rattle off a hundred more, just from the past few years.  But you'd have to hold your nose and click on some non-approved sources to get wind of them.

 

How about the 2020 election was stolen?

Pizza Gate?

 

[MarkBR]

Conspiracy theorists are truly weird.  Their education has completely failed.  Maybe mental problems being unable to distinguish between reality & their own imaginings.

[frank83628]

Just now, MarkBR said:

Conspiracy theorists are truly weird.  Their education has completely failed.  Maybe mental problems being unable to distinguish between reality & their own imaginings.

UFO's were conspiracy theories right up until the US Gov admitted they exist. 
 

[Yagoda]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I for one rather enjoy low fact right wingers exposing their ignorance on the matter. 

Obviously, self admitted troll.

[bradiston]

54 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You left out a bunch but hey, no one is denying the greats of Western Civilization. But socialism is a disease and thank god its not in the usa.

It's only viewed that way in the US by the hard right. Some would say greed is a disease. Certainly obesity which the US is stuffed to the eyeballs with, is. And drug use. Junk 'n drugs. Great nation you have there. And I'm not even an American, or Western, hater. I rank the 50s and 60s in the US as 2 of the greatest decades in recent history. Well, I was born in 1950, so I guess I would, wouldn't I? I value European culture. I think it's man at his utmost. I read missives from the western haters, who to a person, are westerners, everyday on these forums. But have they been to Florence? Venice? Chartres? How dare they describe the west as "decadent" as Medvedev did? It's their homeland!

 

The Jews were being given a hard time in Europe since way back when - the 14th century? Nothing to do with Marxist Leninism. Many Jews became prominent socialists and communists. And if you think I'm a Stalinist, think again. I don't knowingly support any anti Jewish movement. I have the utmost respect for Jews, their humour, their intelligence, their strength. But of course there's a catch, which is that, when converted to nationalism, it becomes a whole different ball game, unfortunately. But the UK appeared to face annihilation also this century, but was spared, miraculously. I'll not forget the US's part in that. Ever!

Edited October 8 by bradiston

[frank83628]

15 hours ago, farang51 said:

I see a name, I do not see any links. I guess you cannot back up your claim that CNN and New York Times has a proven track record of lies and cover ups. Not that I am surprised.

cnn's failing ratings might be an indicator and the fact that trust and viewership of MSM is at it lowest ever. 

 

 

[bradiston]

54 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You mean like Biden's senile, the laptop is Hunter's and there are vaccine side effects?

 

I could rattle off a hundred more, just from the past few years.  But you'd have to hold your nose and click on some non-approved sources to get wind of them.

 

Hardly rank as conspiracy theories though, do they? More simply differences of opinion. Usually a conspiracy theory has a motive for the conspiracy. Biden's stepped down, the laptop saga is way beyond my non US comprehension, and what vaccine doesn't possibly have side effects? I mean, there are side effects from breathing. The oxygen will eventually kill you! Yes, it's true! Check it out!

Edited October 8 by bradiston

[impulse]

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I for one rather enjoy low fact right wingers exposing their ignorance on the matter. 

 

 OTOH, I love the lefty sheep, believing what they're told.

 

 

[bradiston]

17 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

UFO's were conspiracy theories right up until the US Gov admitted they exist. 
 

Slightly economical with the truth, that statement. It's not what the US government said.

[impulse]

3 minutes ago, bradiston said:

39 minutes ago, impulse said:

You mean like Biden's senile, the laptop is Hunter's and there are vaccine side effects?

 

I could rattle off a hundred more, just from the past few years.  But you'd have to hold your nose and click on some non-approved sources to get wind of them.

Hardly rank as conspiracy theories though, do they?

 

There ya go, changing the goalposts again.  First you claim there's not many.  Then it's well, maybe there's a lot, but they're not serious.  Next it'll be, okay they're serious, but they didn't change anything...

 

[johng]

15 hours ago, HighPriority said:

We are so lucky to have such highly credentialed structural engineers and metallurgists like yourself amongst us here.

The university of YouTube strikes again… 🙄

No we are very "unlucky"  because the "structural engineers and metallurgists" have failed to fully explain how the twin towers both collapsed compleatly and perfectly into their own foot print...why it never happened before or after  and completely fail to explain how building 7  collapsed.

(not hit by a plane)

Go back and look at all 3 of those buildings collapsing   all look like a controlled demolition to me.

 

There is much more, its quite fascinating  once you start digging into it.

[bradiston]

55 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I find that the Left hates to be reminded of National Socialism, even though their policies go hand in hand.

 

Your insults are weak and boring.

It's infantile to suggest because the word "socialism" appears in the full title of the Nazi party they were somehow putting into practice a Marxist socialist agenda. Hitler created the Nazi party to fight the Marxist notion of socialism, not to put it into practice. He was a sworn enemy of Marxism. You and he have more in common than you think.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

 

 

Edited October 8 by bradiston

[bradiston]

7 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

There ya go, changing the goalposts again.  First you claim there's not many.  Then it's well, maybe there's a lot, but they're not serious.  Next it'll be, okay they're serious, but they didn't change anything...

 

You just don't get it, do you? The goalposts are part of the conspiracy!

[Patong2021]

On 10/6/2024 at 8:28 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

First conspiracy theory of the thread.

Thank you for demonstrating the truth of the article.

 

You were not surprised that the first two to criticize the article are associated with "conspiracy" claims were you?

 

On 10/6/2024 at 11:52 PM, frank83628 said:

so basically, its Russia, China and the right wing that spread misinformation , so everyone needs to trust the US gov, cia and mainstream media

 

Considering the claims you make and the narrative you  spew, it is not hard to see where you get your inspiration, right comrade?

 

On 10/7/2024 at 12:07 AM, frank83628 said:

justice for being a journalist?

 

Assange was not and has never been a journalist. He  was a cyber criminal who made his living from hacking and  the use of the information stolen.

 

[Patong2021]

7 minutes ago, johng said:

No we are very "unlucky"  because the "structural engineers and metallurgists" have failed to fully explain how the twin towers both collapsed compleatly and perfectly into their own foot print...why it never happened before or after  and completely fail to explain how building 7  collapsed.

(not hit by a plane)

Go back and look at all 3 of those buildings collapsing   all look like a controlled demolition to me.

 

There is much more, its quite fascinating  once you start digging into it.

 

And yet none of the promoters of the controlled demolition claims have been able to demonstrate how it was achieved or can even  demonstrate the events they claim. There is a reason why the orders and societies of professionals  like architects, engineers and chemists reject your claims and it is  based on scientific fact.

 

[bradiston]

3 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

You were not surprised that the first two to criticize the article are associated with "conspiracy" claims were you?

 

 

Considering the claims you make and the narrative you  spew, it is not hard to see where you get your inspiration, right comrade?

 

 

Assange was not and has never been a journalist. He  was a cyber criminal who made his living from hacking and  the use of the information stolen.

 

Like any self respecting government does.

[johng]

3 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Assange was not and has never been a journalist. He  was a cyber criminal who made his living from hacking and  the use of the information stolen.

Rubbish  he published information obtained by whistle blowers  exposing horrendous crimes  that governments tried to suppress...he paid a hefty price  for his audacity  as did the "freedom of the press"

[Yagoda]

16 minutes ago, bradiston said:

It's infantile to suggest because the word "socialism" appears in the full title of the Nazi party they were somehow putting into practice a Marxist socialist agenda. Hitler created the Nazi party to fight the Marxist notion of socialism, not to put it into practice. He was a sworn enemy of Marxism. You and he have more in common than you think.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

 

 

How shallow. And Wikpedia, heavens. God forbid you read a book.

 

I guess you arent familiar with what the National Socialist platform was. Nor Leninism and Stalinism.

[johng]

9 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

demonstrate the events they claim

Go and refresh your memory watch the video of those 3 buildings collapsing.....there are many experts who do agree that controlled demolition is the most likely scenario.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/7/2024 at 1:45 PM, save the frogs said:

some conspiracy theorists are charlatans.

 

or some conspiracies might be well-intentioned, but not true. 

 

so it makes it hard to know what to believe and what not to believe. 

 

and then some people revert back to believing everything they hear on CNN. 

 

complex topic. 

 

here's a conspiracy: Trump is a troll

 

Here's another, Harris would make a great POTUS.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, johng said:

Go and refresh your memory watch the video of those 3 buildings collapsing.....there are many experts who do agree that controlled demolition is the most likely scenario.

I saw it and I agree that it was a controlled demolition. I just don't know why they would do it.

[frank83628]

7 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

And yet none of the promoters of the controlled demolition claims have been able to demonstrate how it was achieved or can even  demonstrate the events they claim. There is a reason why the orders and societies of professionals  like architects, engineers and chemists reject your claims and it is  based on scientific fact.

 

so you don't have any questions regarding that event whatsoever?

doesn't seem slightly odd that 3 buildings fell in their own foot print in a matter of seconds, 1 of which was not even on fire.

you must have watched the footage, but you don't have any questions regarding that event whatsoever, nothing?