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Horrific Bus Fire in Thailand Sparks National Debate on Safety


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1 minute ago, Chongalulu said:

There is simply no real fundamental cultural demand for safety. If there was you would see people taking simple inexpensive measures to protect themselves, like wearing helmets or not drink drive. They get what they deserve...

Bit of a wild statement "There is simply no real fundamental cultural demand for safety" i would try saying that to the victims  It is simply every ones responsibility for safety    

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I don't see anyone putting the blame on whoever installed the gas cylinders.  I doubt the bus owner did it himself.  Are installers of gas cylinders trained?  Do they check for leaks after installation?  Do they sign off on paperwork following installation so they can be held accountable?

Obviously there is no, or very little, maintenance done following installation.

I can almost forgive the driver for running away at the sight of the bus entirely engulfed in flames.  The gas must have completely filled the bus and virtually exploded setting everything and everyone alight.  The best fire extinguisher available would not have had any noticeable effect in extinguishing the fire.

Perhaps start with enforcing all these buses must run on diesel instead of gas.

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3 hours ago, factual monk said:

The main issue is of corruption... once the Auth are able to address that, all the things/ issues will automatically get resolved. It will take time but it's for thais to decide now... whether to be part of corruption & negligence or set things straight... 

Anyone convicted of corruption should face a mandatory 25 years in prison. If a death happens because of a bribe was paid, they should be charged as an accomplice to homicide. I know, I'm dreaming.

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"................ a heated debate over the safety and viability of school field trips."

 

It's the safety of the transport that is under question - not the field trips. It's just a pity that such a horrific tragedy should have to happen to make the authorities do something about it.

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What is the saying 

"  The past will be indicative of the future " the outcome will be the same in all due respect and Ive voice this for many years. These group mean will but they all come from the same school of though cant teach what teachers they themselves never learned.

Changes will never come fast enough until they put a outside person or group in charge full power to control, remove anyone who tries or stands in it's way only one person can direct that power!

They wiil take full control of DLT, RTP it has to be s dictatorship anyone who doesnt follow or tries to use their influence is simply removed end of story!

Until that happens it continues to be noise.

 

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3 hours ago, MikeandDow said:
3 hours ago, Chongalulu said:

There is simply no real fundamental cultural demand for safety. If there was you would see people taking simple inexpensive measures to protect themselves, like wearing helmets or not drink drive. They get what they deserve...

Bit of a wild statement "There is simply no real fundamental cultural demand for safety" i would try saying that to the victims  It is simply every ones responsibility for safety    

That’s my point exactly. It’s only when they become victims that it dawns on ,then evenly only some ,of them. Why else do they not wear helmets? 

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police forensics have found several faults with the buses inspected, especially this one that killed so many, i am wondering if we will get a follow  up on this bus owner, will he be  sent to prison,  will he be fined , busses impounded,? or brown envelopes,  and under the carpet it goes

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8 hours ago, Fortunateson said:

Why not simply enforce existing laws?  

Existing laws hold these ancient frankenbusses to much lower safety standards than newer busses because their chassis are ancient. If the law was changed to hold these chop shop products to the same standards as newer busses there would be a lot less of them on the roads.

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52 minutes ago, actonion said:

police forensics have found several faults with the buses inspected, especially this one that killed so many, i am wondering if we will get a follow  up on this bus owner, will he be  sent to prison,  will he be fined , busses impounded,? or brown envelopes,  and under the carpet it goes

You will never hear any more !! example did you hear anything about the Tunnel collapse killing three guys NO !! once out of the press that's it nothing all quite back to normal

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25 minutes ago, james2m said:

Existing laws hold these ancient frankenbusses to much lower safety standards than newer busses because their chassis are ancient. If the law was changed to hold these chop shop products to the same standards as newer busses there would be a lot less of them on the roads.

Thailand's gradual introduction over the past 15 years of regulations for bus safety laid out by the UNECE, the UN Economic Commission for Europe, a body responsible for establishing international standards in many areas. But application of these rules have been slow and piecemeal.

“The problem is most of the manufacturers in Thailand cannot reach that standard,”

“Also, the regulations only apply to new buses.

There are No regulations on old buses any unqualified backyard mechanic can do anything they want and its not against the law  even the most western standards for checking CNG  is Not a pressure test as you would expect its only visual Inspection surprised me as a mechanical QA/QC manager

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What a distressing read; especially the posts from people, life myself, who have lived in Thailand for 10+ years and have been visiting Thailand for more than 50 years.

 

Nothing changes, as the rich and powerful will ensure that any changes which do take place will not disadvantage them in any way.

 

I recently read an academic article by two Thai academics about "contract farmers" and a powerful agribusiness company.  The company concerned pressured Thai law makers to "weaken" the draft law on the rights of the contract farmers; when they only partially succeeded in weakening the law, the company then pressured the relevant government department to not enforce the new laws.  Result - farmers' poverty increased, the company got richer. TIT.

 

Of course, the company cannot be named, due to Thai defamation laws (which contravene the "Western" understanding of "defamation").

 

Want to change the system?  Learn from the experiences of the Move Forward Party and the Future Forward Party - if you are lucky, you have a warning to stop pushing for change, if not, then there is time in prison, and, if that does not change your attitude, finally death (sorry, I mean you disappear).

 

When the cancers of corruption and cronyism extend from the top to the bottom of a society, there is no treatment, no cure, only a slow painful death.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, VBF said:

Exactly!

They seem to swing from one extreme to another - the obvious corruption and carelessness that is the cause of this tragedy, then say:

 

"Additionally, the Minister suggested reconsidering the nature of these trips, particularly advocating for avoiding long-distance travel and involving parents in journeys involving younger students."

 

But if existing laws were enforced with tough punishments for those who break them, then school trips could continue in safety as they do in many other countries.

Correct Thailand has lots of Specification, laws, and Safety Protocols That is Not the problem it is lack of enforcement and lack of education in the implementation  nobody want to know !!!

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6 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Correct Thailand has lots of Specification, laws, and Safety Protocols That is Not the problem it is lack of enforcement and lack of education in the implementation  nobody want to know !!!

Plus, if a junior technician finds an issue and reports it to his / her boss, and the boss is "on the take" that's the end of the complaint.

Thai people would rarely if ever go over the boss's  head to the authorities

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28 minutes ago, VBF said:

Plus, if a junior technician finds an issue and reports it to his / her boss, and the boss is "on the take" that's the end of the complaint.

Thai people would rarely if ever go over the boss's  head to the authorities

That why it has to be on paper so it is documented but this system is not fool proof need honest people to run this  but until a culture war nothing will happen

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11 hours ago, Jumbo1968 said:

After the Doctor was killed in Bangkok all of sudden pedestrian crossings appeared everywhere, the problem is no one stops for pedestrians even at light controlled ones.

oviouse,because the people and minister in charge are never fired

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