Trumps Misinformation and Conspiracy Theories Fuel Threats Against FEMA in North Carolina

[WDSmart]

21 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Mark Zuckerberg would disagree with you that the Dems support freedom of speech. Everyone on this forum knows that freedom of speech has been quashed under the neo liberal left of the Democratic party.

I'm sure Zuckerberg and I would disagree about a lot of things. So what? I'm a member of AseanNow Forums, and I don't know that freedom of speech has been quashed by the left, of which I am one.

Free speech is a complex subject. The First Amendment sometimes protects lies and sometimes does not. Being a far-left liberal, I believe that everyone should be allowed to express their opinion on something, even if it is very controversial, like even racist comments. I don't think, however, that citing false references to support your opinion should fall under free speech.

Here is a link to a good article on free speech... Is Lying Protected by the First Amendment? (freedomforum.org)

[dinsdale]

6 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

So what? I'm a member of AseanNow Forums, and I don't know that freedom of speech has been quashed by the left, of which I am one.

Try opening a discussion on Ivermectin.

[cjinchiangrai]

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Try opening a discussion on Ivermectin.

Why, do you have Scabies?

[WDSmart]

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

12 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

So what? I'm a member of AseanNow Forums, and I don't know that freedom of speech has been quashed by the left, of which I am one.

Try opening a discussion on Ivermectin.

I thought Ivermectin might be an online website, but I found out it was an anti-parasite medication, so I don't understand your comment, but there's no need for you to explain.

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Why, do you have Scabies?

At least you acknowledge it isn't just a veterinarian drug. There was a time that if you said anything other than it being a "horse drug" the post would be removed. 

[cjinchiangrai]

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

At least you acknowledge it isn't just a veterinarian drug. There was a time that if you said anything other than it being a "horse drug" the post would be removed. 

It is also documented not to be an anti-viral, by the manufacturer. More of Trumps ignorance on full display.

[mushroomdave]

He sure is stepping the B******T up isn't he?

Well, seeing him grasping as it comes to a close is sure entertaining!

Looks like that snake oil is running low Tan Man!!

 

 Tick Tock, Tick Tock!!
"Lock Him Up, Lock Him Up !!"

Edited October 16 by mushroomdave

[johng]

10 minutes ago, mushroomdave said:

He sure is stepping the B******T up isn't he?

I see you are living up to your nickname mushroom 

[johng]

1 hour ago, cjinchiangrai said:

It is also documented not to be an anti-viral, by the manufacturer.

 

Just because the document says something  doesn't meant it can't be effective,  plenty of drugs/medicines are used  for things that are not mentioned on the documents included in the package.

 

There is hope that the "horse de wormer" is also a very good anti cancer drug

but of course we should not look into that because  "antivaxer" 

"conspiracy theorist" !!!!
 

[candide]

18 minutes ago, johng said:

 

Just because the document says something  doesn't meant it can't be effective,  plenty of drugs/medicines are used  for things that are not mentioned on the documents included in the package.

 

There is hope that the "horse de wormer" is also a very good anti cancer drug

but of course we should not look into that because  "antivaxer" 

"conspiracy theorist" !!!!
 

It's not only a question of manufacturer's documents.

 

Empirical studies have shown that Ivermectin has no more effect than a placebo!

 

"Ivermectin did not show an effect in reducing mortality (RR = 0.76; 95%CI: 0.52–1.11) or mechanical ventilation (RR = 0.74; 95%CI: 0.48–1.16). This effect was consistent when comparing ivermectin vs. placebo, and ivermectin associated with SOC vs. SOC, as well as in sensitivity analysis."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9308124/

[dinsdale]

47 minutes ago, candide said:

It's not only a question of manufacturer's documents.

 

Empirical studies have shown that Ivermectin has no more effect than a placebo!

 

"Ivermectin did not show an effect in reducing mortality (RR = 0.76; 95%CI: 0.52–1.11) or mechanical ventilation (RR = 0.74; 95%CI: 0.48–1.16). This effect was consistent when comparing ivermectin vs. placebo, and ivermectin associated with SOC vs. SOC, as well as in sensitivity analysis."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9308124/

It needed to be administered early on in the infection. The studies that showed a lack of efficacy of the drug was because it given too late into the viral progression.

[Tug]

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

At least you acknowledge it isn't just a veterinarian drug. There was a time that if you said anything other than it being a "horse drug" the post would be removed. 

This particular troll has been successful in completely derailing the thread about trump and his enablers/lackys trying to derail the hurricane response for personal gain.face it trump doesn’t care about other’s troubles or trials only his own,it’s time to ditch this albatross turn the page!

[johng]

48 minutes ago, candide said:

Empirical studies have shown that Ivermectin has no more effect than a placebo!

 

Other "studies" show other findings regarding the horse dewormer.

And the so called vaccines 100% safe an effective ??

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, mushroomdave said:

He sure is stepping the B******T up isn't he?

Well, seeing him grasping as it comes to a close is sure entertaining!

Looks like that snake oil is running low Tan Man!!

 

 Tick Tock, Tick Tock!!
"Lock Him Up, Lock Him Up !!"

You could very easily replace Donald Trump's with Pfizer's or Moderna's IMO. 

[scorecard]

16 hours ago, Tug said:

Trump and his minions will continue to sow division discord and lies as long as they think it helps their attempted takeover of our democracy .they do not care about you stop being rubes stop listening to their enablers!

What worries me is what games they will use to try to stop finalizing the election / prevent announcing the proven winner. 

[thaipo7]

16 hours ago, Tug said:

Trump and his minions will continue to sow division discord and lies as long as they think it helps their attempted takeover of our democracy .they do not care about you stop being rubes stop listening to their enablers!

Any truths or anything that does not fit the Marxist Democrat narrative falls under the category of misinformation.  But we are supposed to believe every lie told by these same propaganda Marxists.  People accept this hook, line, and sinker.  Right Tug?  Talk about listening to their enablers, think this the next time you look into a mirror.  Without you the Tyrannical Left could not do this.

[wwest5829]

9 hours ago, WDSmart said:

Lock him up!

Na, I don’t need an exPresident locked up. In his case, utter humiliation in the history books and the decimation of any wealth will be fine. 

[candide]

3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

It needed to be administered early on in the infection. The studies that showed a lack of efficacy of the drug was because it given too late into the viral progression.

Source to support this assertion?

Edited October 16 by candide

[candide]

3 hours ago, johng said:

 

Other "studies" show other findings regarding the horse dewormer.

And the so called vaccines 100% safe an effective ??

This is a meta study  not a single study.

 

Source for the studies you evoke?

[cjinchiangrai]

5 hours ago, johng said:

 

Just because the document says something  doesn't meant it can't be effective,  plenty of drugs/medicines are used  for things that are not mentioned on the documents included in the package.

 

There is hope that the "horse de wormer" is also a very good anti cancer drug

but of course we should not look into that because  "antivaxer" 

"conspiracy theorist" !!!!
 

But do you know more than the PhD biologists that made the stuff? I didn't think so.

[cjinchiangrai]

2 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

Na, I don’t need an exPresident locked up. In his case, utter humiliation in the history books and the decimation of any wealth will be fine. 

He is still inciting insurrection while on presentencing release. He can be jailed immediately for that.

[rattlesnake]

20 hours ago, gargamon said:

Oh, Trump. Sharpee gate. Use nukes to stop a hurricane. Use nukes to start a hurricane. Inject bleach to kill covid. The list goes on forever.

 

I can't wait for the few weeks remaining to pass so we can get over this Trump nonsense.

 

Please post a quote of Trump saying bleach should be injected to kill Covid.

[impulse]

Speaking of misinformation:

 

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) quietly revised its national crime data for 2022, showing that violent crime actually increased instead of the decrease initially reported, according to RealClearInvestigations (RCI).

 

“I have checked the data on total violent crime from 2004 to 2022,” Carl Moody, professor at the College of William & Mary who specializes in crime, told RCI. “There were no revisions from 2004 to 2015, and from 2016 to 2020, there were small changes of less than one percentage point. The huge changes in 2021 and 2022, especially without an explanation, make it difficult to trust the FBI data.”

 

The change is only discoverable when downloading the new set of data now and comparing it to the old, with the FBI issuing no statement reflecting the change, RCI reported.

 

The post-release change is similar to the revisions the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) does for its jobs numbers, which overestimated the amount of jobs in America in 2023 by an average of 105,000 a month.

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/10/16/fbi-quietly-revised-violent-crime-data-surge-decrease/

[Rhys]

This guy is going to win a second time.. and 

 

[Patong2021]

20 hours ago, cooked said:

FEMA has failed multiple times in the past to overcome its bureaucratic nature when an emergency occurred.

He NEVER said to inject bleach, nor any of the other outright lies that are told about him. 

 

FEMA has been  doing a good job with the hurricane aftermath. There are no complaints from the local counties and municipalities relying on FEMA assistance.

[Patong2021]

5 hours ago, dinsdale said:

It needed to be administered early on in the infection. The studies that showed a lack of efficacy of the drug was because it given too late into the viral progression.

There is no clinical evidence to support your claim. 

[Patong2021]

52 minutes ago, impulse said:

Speaking of misinformation:

 

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) quietly revised its national crime data for 2022, showing that violent crime actually increased instead of the decrease initially reported, according to RealClearInvestigations (RCI).

 

“I have checked the data on total violent crime from 2004 to 2022,” Carl Moody, professor at the College of William & Mary who specializes in crime, told RCI. “There were no revisions from 2004 to 2015, and from 2016 to 2020, there were small changes of less than one percentage point. The huge changes in 2021 and 2022, especially without an explanation, make it difficult to trust the FBI data.”

 

The change is only discoverable when downloading the new set of data now and comparing it to the old, with the FBI issuing no statement reflecting the change, RCI reported.

 

The post-release change is similar to the revisions the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) does for its jobs numbers, which overestimated the amount of jobs in America in 2023 by an average of 105,000 a month.

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/10/16/fbi-quietly-revised-violent-crime-data-surge-decrease/

 

You are one constant source of misinformation. In 2022, 

The data of Crime in the Nation, 2022 were released via several reports: Crime in the United States (CIUS), 2022; NIBRS, 2022; NIBRS Estimates, 2022; Hate Crime Statistics, 2022; Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted (LEOKA), 2022: Officers Assaulted; and the UCR Summary of Crime in the Nation, 2022. Of the 18,884 state, county, city, university and college, and tribal agencies eligible to participate in the UCR Program, 15,724 agencies submitted data in 2022.  

 

We are in October 2024.

The FBI’s crime statistics estimates, based on reported data for 2023, show that national violent crime decreased an estimated 3.0% in 2023 compared to 2022 estimates:  

-Murder and non-negligent manslaughter recorded a 2023 estimated nationwide decrease of 11.6% compared to the previous year.  

-In 2023, the estimated number of offenses in the revised rape category saw an estimated 9.4% decrease.  

-Aggravated assault figures decreased an estimated 2.8% in 2023. 

-Robbery showed an estimated decrease of 0.3% nationally.  

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-2023-crime-in-the-nation-statistics

 

For reference sake, in October 2023, the FBI re;leased this statement; The FBI’s crime statistics estimates for 2022 show that national violent crime decreased an estimated 1.7% in 2022 compared to 2021 estimates:

-Murder and non-negligent manslaughter recorded a 2022 estimated nationwide decrease of 6.1% compared to the previous year.

-In 2022, the estimated number of offenses in the revised rape category saw an estimated 5.4% decrease.

-Aggravated assault in 2022 decreased an estimated 1.1% in 2022.

-Robbery showed an estimated increase of 1.3% nationally.

[dinsdale]

3 hours ago, candide said:

Source to support this assertion?

High-dose ivermectin for early treatment of COVID-19 (COVER study): a randomised, double-blind, multicentre, phase II, dose-finding, proof-of-concept clinical trial

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8734085/

A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)32506-6/fulltext

 

Edited October 16 by dinsdale

[dinsdale]

22 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

You are one constant source of misinformation. In 2022, 

The data of Crime in the Nation, 2022 were released via several reports: Crime in the United States (CIUS), 2022; NIBRS, 2022; NIBRS Estimates, 2022; Hate Crime Statistics, 2022; Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted (LEOKA), 2022: Officers Assaulted; and the UCR Summary of Crime in the Nation, 2022. Of the 18,884 state, county, city, university and college, and tribal agencies eligible to participate in the UCR Program, 15,724 agencies submitted data in 2022.  

 

We are in October 2024.

The FBI’s crime statistics estimates, based on reported data for 2023, show that national violent crime decreased an estimated 3.0% in 2023 compared to 2022 estimates:  

-Murder and non-negligent manslaughter recorded a 2023 estimated nationwide decrease of 11.6% compared to the previous year.  

-In 2023, the estimated number of offenses in the revised rape category saw an estimated 9.4% decrease.  

-Aggravated assault figures decreased an estimated 2.8% in 2023. 

-Robbery showed an estimated decrease of 0.3% nationally.  

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-2023-crime-in-the-nation-statistics

 

For reference sake, in October 2023, the FBI re;leased this statement; The FBI’s crime statistics estimates for 2022 show that national violent crime decreased an estimated 1.7% in 2022 compared to 2021 estimates:

-Murder and non-negligent manslaughter recorded a 2022 estimated nationwide decrease of 6.1% compared to the previous year.

-In 2022, the estimated number of offenses in the revised rape category saw an estimated 5.4% decrease.

-Aggravated assault in 2022 decreased an estimated 1.1% in 2022.

-Robbery showed an estimated increase of 1.3% nationally.

More than 6,000 law enforcement agencies were missing from the FBI’s national crime data last year, representing nearly one-third of the nation’s 18,000 police agencies. This means a quarter of the U.S. population wasn't represented in the federal crime data last year, according to The Marshall Project’s analysis.

Many of the largest police departments, like the NYPD and LAPD, are still missing.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/07/13/fbi-crime-rates-data-gap-nibrs

....data informing the FBI’s figures is supplied voluntarily by law enforcement agencies across the US, and do not include major metropolitan areas including Los Angeles and New York, where crime is historically high. The LAPD and NYPD are the two largest police forces in the nation, but they are not included in the FBI data, which could have changed the data if it had been included.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/fbi-crime-statistics-2024-b2561552.html

[impulse]

31 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

-In 2023, the estimated number of offenses in the revised rape category saw an estimated 9.4% decrease.  

-Aggravated assault figures decreased an estimated 2.8% in 2023. 

-Robbery showed an estimated decrease of 0.3% nationally.  

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-2023-crime-in-the-nation-statistics

 

The revision comes after the release of the 2023 UCR data in September, which showed a 3% decrease in national violent crime, according to an FBI press release.

 

The FBI Uniform Crime Report (UCR) initially showed a slight 2.1% decrease in violent crime from 2021 to 2022, however the revision, which was only briefly mentioned on its website, shows an increase in violent crime of 4.5%, according to RCI.