Intermittent fasting

[fredwiggy]

Just now, shdmn said:

Intermittent fasting is just another diet fad imo.  If you continue doing it your metabolism slows down so it doesn't work as well after awhile.  Yes, I know there are supposed techniques to prevent that such as only doing it once a week or whatever, but over time it still becomes less effective imo.

 

Bottom line is it's just another way of reducing caloric intake that seems to be easier for some people compared to just eating less throughout the day.

There's more to it than just losing a little weight, and it's not a fad diet like so many fly by night diet fads that have come around through the years...................https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/fasting-benefits

[fredwiggy]

4 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Nothing more lolz than watching some old guys who moved to Pattaya suddenly start to go to the gym and pretend to eat healthy while drowning in alcohol. 

 

Fasting, lol......

 

Intermittent masterbathing is what I do and is a lot more effective

Is that self pleasure while washing in a tub?

[save the frogs]

12 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Stevia seems to be okay, at least for now, and I've been slowly switching over to it as I've heard more about Splenda and Equal.

I was using stevia in my coffee.

Got sick of it, now switched to cane sugar. Which I believe is way healthier than processed sugar. And tastes better than stevia.

 

[fredwiggy]

Just now, save the frogs said:

I was using stevia in my coffee.

Got sick of it, now switched to cane sugar. Which I believe is way healthier than processed sugar. And tastes better than stevia.

 

The less sugar you consume, the less you need, which is how I've been living. It's in almost everything you buy in a box or jar, and isn't bad if kept low. When I was into bodybuilding, and not just lifting weights like now to maintain, I followed everything I could to reduce as many empty calories or fat calories as I could, so used them since Saccharine came out. That one is bad, so I was happy when Splenda and Equal came out, and then Stevia. I'm hoping they find another one better than Stevia someday, as I really don't like to add any kind of sugar to my food. The less processing the better.

[KhunLA]

6 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

I was using stevia in my coffee.

Got sick of it, now switched to cane sugar. Which I believe is way healthier than processed sugar. And tastes better than stevia.

 

I tried stevia also ... sucks

 

1 tsp / 4.2gr of sugar isn't going kill anyone, as all of 16 calories.   I started drinking coffee black, then after awhile tried my usual sugar amount added (2 tsp / 400ml) and really tasted sweet.   Now just drink it black.  Don't even add sugar to Cappuccino when having.

 

You might want to try a darker roast coffee, as not as bitter, so don't need the sugar.   Although less caffeine, the darker the roast.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, KhunLA said:

I tried stevia also ... sucks

 

1 tsp / 4.2gr of sugar isn't going kill anyone, as all of 16 calories.   I started drinking coffee black, then after awhile tried my usual sugar amount added (2 tsp / 400ml) and really tasted sweet.   Now just drink it black.  Don't even add sugar to Cappuccino when having.

 

You might want to try a darker roast coffee, as not as bitter, so don't need the sugar.   Although less caffeine, the darker the roast.

I agree about the darker, richer roasts. More flavor means less need for sweetener. I'm hoping to visit Vietnam next year, before I move back to Texas, and maybe Malaysia. I always heard Vietnam coffee is the best. I know you can buy it here, but wanting to visit and have it while I'm there makes it more special.

[Presnock]

37 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I agree that the artificial sweeteners might not be so healthy. I have been using them for many years, but have been trying to find better substitutes, those from more natural sources. Stevia seems to be okay, at least for now, and I've been slowly switching over to it as I've heard more about Splenda and Equal. The rest of my diet has been very clean for the last 50 years, and the only trouble I've really had has been stomach related when I had H Pylori, presumably from bad water here. Living in Texas, I rarely had anything health wise wrong. Just after I moved here. I think also meat has been the culprit here, as it's always left out all day on trays, which isn't that good. back home they shrink wrap as soon as It's cut and it's kept in coolers.

reputed food researchers indicate that artificial sweetners are actually worse for your body that true sweetners.  they recommend that if one HAS to HAVE sweetner then us maple syrup or real honey.  Red meat limited, no processed meats at all.  Recommend red fruits, including tomatoes regularly as a male aging...pomegranate juice daily, strawberries, pink guava.  Good health to you!

[KhunLA]

For protein intake ... short & long version

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[fredwiggy]

Just now, Presnock said:

reputed food researchers indicate that artificial sweetners are actually worse for your body that true sweetners.  they recommend that if one HAS to HAVE sweetner then us maple syrup or real honey.  Red meat limited, no processed meats at all.  Recommend red fruits, including tomatoes regularly as a male aging...pomegranate juice daily, strawberries, pink guava.  Good health to you!

Yes, in the last few years, more research has come around about artificial sweeteners and it has me concerned. We don't live forever, and genetics does play a role, but what you put in your body can surely make a difference in lowering the chances for disease, which leaves your body stronger. I use honey also sometimes. I always liked Splenda, as it tastes the best out of all of them, but now Stevia is first on my list until another one comes around. The thing about sugar, is that it takes more to sweeten than the substitutes, which lowers your calorie intake and empty calories from sugar are also bad. I don't eat processed meats besides the occasional sandwich with sliced turkey and when I shoot a deer, I have sausage made with deer and lean pork, which isn't bad.

[BigStar]

9 hours ago, rocketboy2 said:

 

Stop being pussies,

Fast for 24 hours, if your serious, ( but take in water only )

 

5:2 is well-established and works well. Not water only on fasting days. There's something to be said for a 24-hour water fast, though most people won't find that very appealing.

 

 

Testimonial:

 

 

[connda]

On 10/23/2024 at 12:45 AM, still kicking said:

Run out of topics ?

Must have.  There is a ton of information online about intermittent fasting. 

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, connda said:

Must have.  There is a ton of information online about intermittent fasting. 

On AN as well ... 🙄

 

 

[jippytum]

Do not eat during daylight hours. 

you will lose weight but your life will be miserable. 

[Scottie12]

Stop eating cabbage,broccoli,onions, oh sorry,just noticed it said fasting.

[khunPer]

On 10/22/2024 at 7:37 PM, georgegeorgia said:

I watched recently a Pattaya YouTuber who said his he stated slim

 

Intermittent fasting!

I have now taken his advice and not eaten for 12 hours ,I did feel hungry!

Very hungry 

But ..it seems to have waned.

 

I exercise everyday sometimes intense,and still my weight was the same 

Exercise doesn't help weight loss if your still eating a lot and I was drinking 3 protein shakes a day with eggs 

My weight remained the same 

 

Now I need tips in fasting .

Number 1 , coffee ,do J need to drink only black coffee not this 3 in 1 

 

What is the most hours you personally fast for ?

 

Can you eat immediately after fasting for say 24 hours? 

 

 

It might be individual what works well or best, according to science.

 

Many suggest 16 hours fasting, and 8 hours where you can eat. Others suggest a day's fasting a week.

 

I'm in level with @CharlieH that it's about input vs output; i.e. what energy you need and burn. However, according to science it might not be that simple for all; i.e., science don't know enough yet about obesity (with reference to my friend that is one the World's leading professors in obesity).

 

My body-builder friends – I'm not one of those myself – says that slimming is a combination of diet and exercise; the latter in some reasonable level is also good for one's general health.

 

What might be important is that after a hard cure/diet your body will ofter recorver to former state; in other words, you might need some life-style changes to keep a new body level. So. in my experience the change in life-style is the first move, and might be just smaller steps in the right direction – here some obesity scientists says you need a harder step, bur my experience is different; so, we are individuals and not all the same – regular excersise and little change in intake. Just some daily walks can be it; according to the latest science I've read 4,000 steps are important, the difference up to the "famous" 10,000 steps is minor.

 

Skipping some meals – or intake of stuff (calories) between meals – is a habbit. As you said yourself about dasting that in the beginning you had a strong feeling of hunger, and after a while it wanes. So, if ine can resist the hunger feeling and fast for three days, there will be some weight reduction; however, don't forget to drink water, preferably mineral water. Skippin a meal, for example breakfast, is not that difficult, it's a habit. The popular saying that "breakfast is the most important meal of the day" has no scientific background, it was invented by a major breakfast-stuff manufacturer for advertsing.

 

Me, for keeping my weight at reasonable level: I skip breakfast (take a cup of coffee with little milk, no swetener, coffee is healthy up to about 4 cups a day); no lunch but a clas of juice or some fruit; and then a delicious good dinner, where I concentrate about enjoying my meal and preferable with a glass of wine or two...😋👍 I walk a bit during the day, which can be walking the few hundred meters to 7-Eleven or other stores instead of driving. A couple of times, or three, a week I exercise intensive; I have typically lost about half a kilo the next morning. My BMI is between 19 and 20; however it raise during the Covid-lockdown, and took a while to get back into my former shape.

 

By my experience: Try some methods in a shorter wjile and notice your feelings and result. In mhy view it's important that you feel confident and happy, and live a relaxed easy life-style, rather than always being on some cure and diet to strictly follow...😉

[rwill]

Intermittent fasting means to set a 6-8 hour window for eating each day.  For example if your first meal is at noon you would stop eating at 8pm.

 

Combine this with reducing carbs.  Don't eat any rice, wheat products.  Also no potatoes.

[KhunLA]

 

[Travis179]

On 10/23/2024 at 12:37 AM, georgegeorgia said:

I watched recently a Pattaya YouTuber who said his he stated slim

 

Intermittent fasting!

I have now taken his advice and not eaten for 12 hours ,I did feel hungry!

Very hungry 

But ..it seems to have waned.

 

I exercise everyday sometimes intense,and still my weight was the same 

Exercise doesn't help weight loss if your still eating a lot and I was drinking 3 protein shakes a day with eggs 

My weight remained the same 

 

Now I need tips in fasting .

Number 1 , coffee ,do J need to drink only black coffee not this 3 in 1 

 

What is the most hours you personally fast for ?

 

Can you eat immediately after fasting for say 24 hours? 

 

 

Been doing IF most days for about 3 years now. I generally do 16:8, which is the most common. Just for general health reasons, I've never been fat. Hunger can be an issue, unless you limit carbs (at least in my experience). Prioritize protein, then adjust the other macros to preference. I try to go higher on the (healthy) fats, which provide far more satiety than carbs. Black coffee during your fasting window. 

[Middle Aged Grouch]

Fasting for 24 hours can give the body a rest. Especially for those who eat deadly foods like excessive fats, ham, cheese, butter, pizzas, burgers, Coca Cola and similar, white bread, white rice,  over spicy thai food, food that is full of grease and oil etc... but this can be of no use if one continues drinking oneself to death.

 

None of the above are harmful, if consumed with the golden mantra...with strict moderation and even more with age. Up to you if you want to enjoy life as long as possible.

Edited October 24 by Middle Aged Grouch

[georgegeorgia]

8 hours ago, connda said:

Must have.  There is a ton of information online about intermittent fasting. 

There's also info for people like yourself who wont mind their own business 

Please admit you stop photographers in the street , photography is not a crime , thankyou!

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Travis179 said:

Been doing IF most days for about 3 years now. I generally do 16:8, which is the most common. Just for general health reasons, I've never been fat. Hunger can be an issue, unless you limit carbs (at least in my experience). Prioritize protein, then adjust the other macros to preference. I try to go higher on the (healthy) fats, which provide far more satiety than carbs. Black coffee during your fasting window. 

I'm also in a 15-18 hr window of fasting.  Last snack is before 2000 hrs, and usually don't eat until 12 noon.  Depends, sometimes before or after the dog takes me for my morning walk at the park.  Just depend if busy or hungry.  So might not be till 1300 or 1400 hrs, and if really buys, after 1500 hrs.

 

First meal is always a couple eggs, maybe with some protein.

 

Have my morning large black coffee around 0600-0800 hrs, while reading internet.

[Ralf001]

7 hours ago, jippytum said:

Do not eat during daylight hours. 

you will lose weight but your life will be miserable. 

 

I eat daily between at 12.30pm.

 

My life aint miserable

[john donson]

On 10/23/2024 at 6:23 AM, CharlieH said:

Are you trying to lose weight ?

What liquid are you using in those shakes ?

 

The 3 in1 depends how many you're drinking, ?

 

Ultimately its all about calories in against calories out.

 

no it is not... 

 

what is important if the food you eat SPIKES insulin or not

 

3-1 is little coffee, a lot of sugar and fake non dairy creamer

 

nothing healthy

[ericbj]

There's no hard-and-fast rule for intermittent fasting.  As a general rule though it means eating only within an 8-hour window every 24 hours.

 

Generally 2 meals per day.  Avoid eating shortly before going to bed.  And snacking between meals seems to be discouraged.  For professional advice consult someone like Dr Eric Berg on YouTube.

 

It is said that, after you eat, about 80% of the immune system is mobilised to survey what enters the blood-stream through the intestinal walls.  Not eating for a while gives the immune system some breathing space to deal with cleaning up other problems.  And after a while autophagy kicks in to cannibalise defective cells with a view to their replacement.

 

Do not exercise strenuously when fasting;  you risk losing muscle mass.

 

Physical exercise is necessary and the best forms of it are aerobic:  they oxygenate the tissues.  If you cannot speak normally during your exercise you are no longer in aerobic mode.

 

A certain amount of fat is normal.  It provides reserves for lean times.  Our ancestors tended to live on a feast-and-famine basis.  What is dangerous to health is the widespread modern phenomenon of abdominal fat.  This latter arises from excessive blood-glucose caused by modern diets.  Refined sugars and fast-digesting starches (e.g. wheat, potatoes, etc.).  Starch breaks down into glucose, and sucrose into glucose + fructose.

 

Glucose must be quickly removed from the blood, which it can poison, and be placed in the cells where it helps generate energy.  Insulin does this.  But when the cells have enough they resist.  They are then "insulin-resistant".  The pancreas must then produce ever increasing amounts of insulin to force the glucose into the cells.  As the cells cannot use all this glucose they store it as visceral fat.  This stage is known as "pre-diabetic".

 

Hospitals are usually not much interested in pre-diabetes.  They are waiting for your pancreas to reach the limit of its insulin-producing capacity.
Then they can tell you "You have diabetes.  It is incurable.  But we can provide you with life-long treatments to keep it under control."
In the light of modern research, neither of these two latter statements is strictly correct.

 

The experience of my now-dead friends is the medics do not fully keep it under control.  It is a stepping-stone to hypertension, kidney disease, diabetic retinopathy, diabetic neuropathy, inguinal hernia, etc.  Your fate is in your hands.

 

What you need to know is this.  When a doctor says "I am going to test your blood-glucose", say to him "I want you also to test my insulin levels."

 

Pre-diabetes can be rectified relatively easily by life-style changes.
According to modern research, diabetes can be cured in about 95% of cases (not what most doctors will tell you).  But the cure can be a major struggle.

 

Fructose is not digested in the intestine but in the liver.  Excessive doses of "high-fructose-corn-syrup" found in much industrial food and drink can end up damaging the liver.

 

I suggest investigating also the link between a healthy gut-microbiome (relatively rare in the modern world) and overall health.  Physical, mental, etc.  The assault on the gut microbiome comes from many quarters:  antibiotics (pharmaceutical, in foodstuffs, in water) and food preservatives widely used in industrially processed foods.  Glyphosate was originally patented as an antibiotic.  Note that its use is not restricted to GMO crops.  It is used in 'conventional' agriculture to kill off seed-bearing crops such as grains and beans when they are reaching maturity.  The seeds all ripen together, leading to higher yields.

 

Above are a few leads for Internet searches.

[Luuk Chaai]

On 10/23/2024 at 12:37 AM, georgegeorgia said:

I watched recently a Pattaya YouTuber who said his he stated slim

 

Intermittent fasting!

I have now taken his advice and not eaten for 12 hours ,I did feel hungry!

Very hungry 

But ..it seems to have waned.

 

I exercise everyday sometimes intense,and still my weight was the same 

Exercise doesn't help weight loss if your still eating a lot and I was drinking 3 protein shakes a day with eggs 

My weight remained the same 

 

Now I need tips in fasting .

Number 1 , coffee ,do J need to drink only black coffee not this 3 in 1 

 

What is the most hours you personally fast for ?

 

Can you eat immediately after fasting for say 24 hours? 

 

 

16-18 hour fast ..   ditch the protein shakes ..  seriously

get on a proven program and stop pussy footing

1st meal ..  eat until satiated .... " if " you must  a second meal .. within 6 hours of 1st ...  not 3 or 4 meals

you need to reset your body to use fat as the main fuel source  .   no sugar/carbs or fiber ..  period !

eat beef(fatty)  bacon  eggs..especially the yolks and butter.   only drink water .. 30 days and watch the wieght drop ...

[wombat]

If you aren't doing physical Labor you don't need 3 meals a day.

Fasting can be reducing your meal intake to 1 per day like the monks do.

[newbee2022]

YES 

.... it's proven since ages. And I'm happy that you think about it.

[Sandboxer]

I had massive/dangerous blood glucose spikes (into the high 200s) every time I ate a meal, no matter how low carb, after fasting. 

 

Be extremely careful if pre-diabetic or diabetic or in any way insulin resistant.

Edited October 25 by Sandboxer

[bradiston]

On 10/23/2024 at 1:37 AM, georgegeorgia said:

I watched recently a Pattaya YouTuber who said his he stated slim

 

Intermittent fasting!

I have now taken his advice and not eaten for 12 hours ,I did feel hungry!

Very hungry 

But ..it seems to have waned.

 

I exercise everyday sometimes intense,and still my weight was the same 

Exercise doesn't help weight loss if your still eating a lot and I was drinking 3 protein shakes a day with eggs 

My weight remained the same 

 

Now I need tips in fasting .

Number 1 , coffee ,do J need to drink only black coffee not this 3 in 1 

 

What is the most hours you personally fast for ?

 

Can you eat immediately after fasting for say 24 hours? 

 

 

I've not read the rest of this thread, so it might be a bit repetitive. Exercise alone won't reduce weight. They say it's 70/30 diet and gym. I did keto for 21 months. I was by no means in ketosis throughout. In the first 3 months I lost 6 kilos. You shed a lot of water stored in fat. Thereafter it went down to a floor of 80kg from 95kg. Lower than that I couldn't manage. I cooked my own food, essential. Counted carbs but not to the point of cult status. No bread, potatoes, pasta, rice and very few sugary fruits. No sugar. Use erythritol. Strawberries and star fruit petmissible. I quit end of last year. Since then I've put 7kg back on. But it was a great education and it taught me to take care of myself. That's all that really matters, GG. Taking care of yourself.

 

Ps they say not to eat after 8pm. Sage advice as if you skip breakfast, you've fasted for 16 hours until midday. Not really difficult. I used to have a jar of additive, sugar and salt free crunchy peanut butter handy. A teaspoon works wonders if you get pangs.

Edited October 25 by bradiston

[KhunLA]

44 minutes ago, Sandboxer said:

I had massive/dangerous blood glucose spikes (into the high 200s) every time I ate a meal, no matter how low carb, after fasting. 

 

Be extremely careful if pre-diabetic or diabetic or in any way insulin resistant.

Intermittent fasting or multi day fasting ???

 

How you eat is almost as important as what you eat ...