Never mind the outcome.

[swissie]

Never mind the outcome of the US elections. The very fact that half of American voters are willing to vote for Donald is cause enough to be alarmed. The rest of the "western world" simply doesn't understand this phenomen.

Every empire must decline. Is it so, that half of Americans want to stem the decline, by voting some modern day "Wizard of Oz" into office, to make America great again. Him not having any concrete and valuable plans as to how to achieve this?

Is Donald's success based on "desperation"? 

[frank83628]

It goes to show that people are tired of the same old establishment BS and nothing changing. Look at the rise of so called 'right wing' parties in the EU, people are tired of the same old <deleted> and more recently being treated worse than immigrants both legal and illegal.

[Jingthing]

Sadly even if Harris (hopefully) wins and Trump fails to violently take power anyway, the maga movement will remain alive and well going forward for at least another decade, maybe much longer.

The only hope to begin to kill it was a Harris landslide and democrats taking all congress.

That clearly isn't gonna happen, so yeah, we're f-ed.

[Cryingdick]

54 minutes ago, swissie said:

Never mind the outcome of the US elections. The very fact that half of American voters are willing to vote for Donald is cause enough to be alarmed. The rest of the "western world" simply doesn't understand this phenomen.

Every empire must decline. Is it so, that half of Americans want to stem the decline, by voting some modern day "Wizard of Oz" into office, to make America great again. Him not having any concrete and valuable plans as to how to achieve this?

Is Donald's success based on "desperation"? 

Half of America doesn't vote for either one. According to chat GPT which is as good a guess as any, there are 258 million people of voting age. 

 

Getting 70 million people is nowhere near half. Put both sides together  it is just above half. So the winner only ever has the approval of a small minority even in a landslide year. 

 

I certainly won't vote for either of them and consider the vast majority of morons that do hyper partiisan lunatics. 

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, swissie said:

Him not having any concrete and valuable plans as to how to achieve this?

 

Oft-repeated ignorant nonsense. Trump's obligated to follow the Republican Party platform (the concrete and valuable plans), which he helped write: 2024 Republican Party Platform. He'll have a staff help him do so, just as Biden and Kamala have their staff running the entire gov't in their steads. Kamala's plans are also known, more Biden taken to new extremes.

Edited October 23 by BigStar

[swissie]

17 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

Oft-repeated nonsense. Trump's obligated to follow the Republican Party platform (the concrete and valuable plans), which he helped write: 2024 Republican Party Platform. He'll have a staff help him do so, just as Biden and Kamala have their staff running the entire gov't in their steads. Kamala's plans are also known, more Biden taken to new extremes.

Donald has turened the Republican Party into a "sect". Him the "Messias", the high priest.

As the Messias, he will not care much about any "platforms".

[Yellowtail]

It is not that complicated. 

 

The left would have you believe that the people that do not support Harris do not support her because they are stupid racists won't vote for a black or a woman, or a black woman. 

 

Those same people would have you believe that people that support Trump are stupid racist cultists that worship Trump. 

 

Nothing is further from the Truth. 

 

One side wants open borders, mass illegal migration, more DEI, higher taxes, more welfare and men in girls' showers and in girls' sports. This side supports Harris. 

 

One side wants the borders closed, no illegal immigration, no DEI, lower taxes, less welfare and men arrested for going into girls' showers. This side supports Trump.

 

Do not make it more complicated than it is. 

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, swissie said:

Donald has turened the Republican Party into a "sect". Him the "Messias", the high priest.

As the Messias, he will not care much about any "platforms".

You seem to know little of the Republican party. 

[BigStar]

18 minutes ago, swissie said:

Donald has turened the Republican Party into a "sect". Him the "Messias", the high priest.

As the Messias, he will not care much about any "platforms".

 

That's merely the gospel according to the leftist propaganda repeated in the fake news, the only news you're familiar with, attempting to get Harris elected. Trump's being elected fundamentally because his entertaining self represents the policies in the platform, of which you're unaware. Esp. since he himself helped write them, he'll definitely attempt to follow them, as he must in order to retain support.

 

Despite the fake news, personality cults are more characteristic of the Dems, hence their hatred, name-calling, and demonizing of opposition candidates while giving their own a pass even if senile or utterly vacuous and promoting detrimental policies.

 

 

Edited October 23 by BigStar

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

That's merely the gospel according to the leftist propaganda repeated in the fake news, the only news you're familiar with, attempting to get Harris elected. Trump's being elected fundamentally because his entertaining self represents the policies in the platform, of which you're unaware. Esp. since he himself helped write them, he'll definitely attempt to follow them, as he must in order to retain support.

 

Despite the fake news, personality cults are more characteristic of the Dems, hence their hatred, name-calling, and demonizing of opposition candidates while giving their own a pass even if senile or utterly vacuous and promoting detrimental policies.

 

 

It is pretty sad that (apparently) Europeans only ever seem to hear the left side of anything going on in the US. 

[swissie]

23 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You seem to know little of the Republican party. 

How long will you be a respected Republican party member if you oppose some of Donald's views?

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, swissie said:

How long will you be a respected Republican party member if you oppose some of Donald's views?

Republicans (unlike Democrats) do not demand strict adherence to the official party line. 

 

I disagree on any number of things Trump's views, as does every Trump supporter, Democrat and Republican that I know. 

 

What are some of Trump's view that you disagree with? 

[swissie]

22 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

That's merely the gospel according to the leftist propaganda repeated in the fake news, the only news you're familiar with, attempting to get Harris elected. Trump's being elected fundamentally because his entertaining self represents the policies in the platform, of which you're unaware. Esp. since he himself helped write them, he'll definitely attempt to follow them, as he must in order to retain support.

 

Despite the fake news, personality cults are more characteristic of the Dems, hence their hatred, name-calling, and demonizing of opposition candidates while giving their own a pass even if senile or utterly vacuous and promoting detrimental policies.

 

 

Thank God you have found out that only Democrats produce "fake news". Donald is above "fake news". Every word he says is "gospel". (Of course, as he is the Messias).

 

Welcome to the "sect". Formerly known as the Republican Party.

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, swissie said:

Thank God you have found out that only Democrats produce "fake news". Donald is above "fake news". Every word he says is "gospel". (Of course, as he is the Messias).

Trump is not a news organization. 

4 minutes ago, swissie said:

 

Welcome to the "sect". Formerly known as the Republican Party.

You seem to know even less about the Republican party than you what constitutes a news organization. 

[Hanaguma]

These vacuous attempts to "understand" the mind of GOP voters are rather sad. There really is no attempt to do anything other than disparage and sneer. Also note that is is the left that demands absolute loyalty and agreement with their agenda. 

 

Example: abortion.  The GOP includes pro-life, pro-choice, and many shades in between.  All are welcome as long as they are sincere in their beliefs and willing to engage in an honest conversation. The Democrats? Name me a pro-life Democrat.

 

And this is why the left is losing, and will lose in 2 weeks. 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

Once all this election nonsense has passed, and the new congress has been sworn in, I expect all Republican senators and congressmen to drop everything and zero in on Hunter Biden's laptop. Until they get this issue sorted, they shouldn't take up anything else. It shouldn't take them much more than another four years.

Edited October 23 by Etaoin Shrdlu

[gamb00ler]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

You seem to know little of the Republican party. 

What's left of the real Republican party are voting against Trump

[swissie]

24 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Republicans (unlike Democrats) do not demand strict adherence to the official party line. 

 

I disagree on any number of things Trump's views, as does every Trump supporter, Democrat and Republican that I know. 

 

What are some of Trump's view that you disagree with? 

Mainly that Trump wants to "detach" the US from Europe. Since 1492 (Columbus) America and Europe were a political/economical powerhouse. Making civilisation possible.

 

Now, Donald wants to make friends with other potentates, west of California. His preferrance to Autokratic Regimes is well documented. Always west of California: China, North Korea, Russia. Never East, as there are western democracies that oppose a "New Cesar" having started out as a well furished real-estate developper. No wonder, that Donald doesn't like the european concept of democracy.

[swissie]

38 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

These vacuous attempts to "understand" the mind of GOP voters are rather sad. There really is no attempt to do anything other than disparage and sneer. Also note that is is the left that demands absolute loyalty and agreement with their agenda. 

 

Example: abortion.  The GOP includes pro-life, pro-choice, and many shades in between.  All are welcome as long as they are sincere in their beliefs and willing to engage in an honest conversation. The Democrats? Name me a pro-life Democrat.

 

And this is why the left is losing, and will lose in 2 weeks. 

Abortion?

Financially underpriviledged women (the "Husband" has disappeared), must now travel to a state where abortion is still possible.

 

Often depriving them of their last financial means. Long live "American State Laws".

[swissie]

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

It goes to show that people are tired of the same old establishment BS and nothing changing. Look at the rise of so called 'right wing' parties in the EU, people are tired of the same old <deleted> and more recently being treated worse than immigrants both legal and illegal.

You may have a point here. In the US as well as in western Europe, parlamentary decisions were always in favor of the political/financial Elite for the last 20 years. (Don't hurt the financial Elite).

While "the working class" is satisfied to defend their meager pay increases over the last 20 years. The "little people" find it increasingly disturbing, why the "rich" are getting richer and they themselves are getting nowhere.

Maybe, what's happening in the US is just a harbinger of things to come in the rest of "the western world".

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

What's left of the real Republican party are voting against Trump

Unfortunately, not much is left of it.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

Once all this election nonsense has passed, and the new congress has been sworn in, I expect all Republican senators and congressmen to drop everything and zero in on Hunter Biden's laptop. Until they get this issue sorted, they shouldn't take up anything else. It shouldn't take them much more than another four years.

While they're at it. it could be time to revive

 

BENGHAZI!

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, swissie said:

Abortion?

Financially underpriviledged women (the "Husband" has disappeared), must now travel to a state where abortion is still possible.

 

Often depriving them of their last financial means. Long live "American State Laws".

In that case "financially underpriviledged women" should stop having unprotected sex with bad men.

Being "financially underpriviledged" doesn't mean their brain stops working.

[Hanaguma]

8 hours ago, swissie said:

Abortion?

Financially underpriviledged women (the "Husband" has disappeared), must now travel to a state where abortion is still possible.

 

Often depriving them of their last financial means. Long live "American State Laws".

This is also where lefties can put their money where their collective mouths are. They can support charities that would help women in those situations, they can lobby to change their state laws, etc. 

 

But my point was not abortion in particular. It was an example of where the GOP is becoming more of a 'big tent' party, while the Democrats expect lockstep compliance. 

[EVENKEEL]

9 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

It is not that complicated. 

 

The left would have you believe that the people that do not support Harris do not support her because they are stupid racists won't vote for a black or a woman, or a black woman. 

 

Those same people would have you believe that people that support Trump are stupid racist cultists that worship Trump. 

 

Nothing is further from the Truth. 

 

One side wants open borders, mass illegal migration, more DEI, higher taxes, more welfare and men in girls' showers and in girls' sports. This side supports Harris. 

 

One side wants the borders closed, no illegal immigration, no DEI, lower taxes, less welfare and men arrested for going into girls' showers. This side supports Trump.

 

Do not make it more complicated than it is. 

That's it right there. Pretty simple. 

[herfiehandbag]

25 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

. It was an example of where the GOP is becoming more of a 'big tent' party

 

A "big tent" principally characterized by the ever increasing number of people who have been expelled from it or have chosen to leave.

 

The Republican Party used to be a party of values, a believer in values, freedom, liberty. It is now a mess dominated by a bizarre combination of racism, right wing Christian evangelism, the corrupt practices of it's leader, and a mish mash of authoritarian intents.

[BigStar]

12 hours ago, swissie said:

Mainly that Trump wants to "detach" the US from Europe.

 

Trump rightly wants to end the unwarranted subsidies given to Europe. Europe detached itself from the USA w/ its leftist and globalist agenda. A lot of damage has been done already, esp to the Islamic Republic of the UK, which detached itself rather belatedly. That might have turned out much better, but--a topic for another day.  

[GypsyT]

US is an interesting place.

People who are fiddling with last coins in the pocket are worried how stock market do if Donald Trump) doesn't win...

 

[BigStar]

  

3 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

 

A "big tent" principally characterized by the ever increasing number of people who have been expelled from it or have chosen to leave.

 

The Republican Party used to be a party of values, a believer in values, freedom, liberty. It is now a mess dominated by a bizarre combination of racism, right wing Christian evangelism, the corrupt practices of it's leader, and a mish mash of authoritarian intents.

 

No. That's why minorities are supporting Trump in numbers previously unheard of. "Authoritarianism" is the last desperate DNC lie being amplified to hysteria as Kamala's losing. The Dems have become a party of fear.

 

 

The number of people invited and joining the Repubs vastly outnumbers the disgruntled and disaffected. Censorship, cancellation, and shouting down are, again, the province of the left.

 

Observe the call for Maoist-style mass re-education camps for half the population:

 

 

[BigStar]

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Unfortunately, not much is left of it.

 

Fortunately, as otherwise they'd have no hope against a Dem party controlled by indoctrinated leftist cadres busily destroying the country.

 

 

Power is all they respect and understand. Repubs have been left with no choice but to fight without quarter. It's the same with our indoctrinate leftists here. You might as well be talking to the Taliban.

 

Yuri Bezmenov describes the program of Marxist ideological subversion. There are four steps: Demoralization (Indoctrination), Destabilization, Crisis, and Normalization.  Here’s a transcript.

 

Bezmenov describes the results of Demoralization:

 

Exposure to true information does not matter anymore.  A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information.  The facts tell nothing to him. ... Even if I shower him with information with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures, even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him concentration camps, he will refuse to believe it until he’s going to receive a kick in his fat bottom.  When a military boot crashes into his balls, then he will understand, but not before.  That’s the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.

     --A Long List of Leftist Lies

 

 

Edited October 24 by BigStar