Why do decent Americans support trump

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Won't bother, you know it's true and I stopped wasting time on cultists a while ago. Remember - (DILDO)?

In other words, no. Trump has long advocated for state control of abortion laws.

And NO state have total bans. Even the Guttmacher Institute referenced earler shows every state has exceptions. Every state. 

[Task Master]

Because Kamala "Headboard, Heels up" Harris is slow witted.

[GammaGlobulin]

HARRIS!!!!!

 

Obviously!!!!!!!

 

That's why.....

 

Should be completely obvious.

 

[dinsdale]

15 minutes ago, Task Master said:

Because Kamala "Headboard, Heels up" Harris is slow witted.

"Run Forrest Run". Harris makes Forrest Gump look articulate. 

 

 

[BangkokReady]

On 10/29/2024 at 12:27 PM, xylophone said:

– Why do you throw your support behind a convicted felon, and yes they are bona fide convictions and not from "lefties" as you tend to label them?

 

It doesn't really mean much.  When you look at how left-wing aligned law enforcement agencies have chosen not to proescute left-wing figures, even going as far to lie to keep them out of trouble.

 

On 10/29/2024 at 12:27 PM, xylophone said:

– How on earth can you support a man who helped incite the first attack on the US capital since 1812, to attempt a coup which could have possibly succeeded if it weren't for a VP who stood staunch against this attack. And before the answers take the "it was only a minor rally" route, then consider how many of the attackers have been jailed so far, found guilty by juries containing both GOP and Democrat supporters?

 

It's debateable as to whether he actually did this.  Also, if you look at the context, the BLM riots and looting were encouraged by left-wing figures and were pretty much ignored a lot of the time (and probably influenced by lockdowns).  It hardly seems surprising that the right would want to "riot" a little.

 

On 10/29/2024 at 12:27 PM, xylophone said:

– If you are looking for a president who is basically honest (and please don't come back at me with the standard quip; all politicians lie response), because maybe they do tell the occasional untruth, but trump has been documented as having told over 30,000 lies and mistruths during and after his presidency so how do you support a man like that?

 

Trump has been lied about a lot more than he has lied.  You also cannot ask for an explanation and then say that one explanation is not allowed.  Biden and the left have lied massively.  They were trying to hide Biden's dementia from everyone (a condition that would greatly affect his ability to govern), yet no one seems to concerned about that.

 

On 10/29/2024 at 12:27 PM, xylophone said:

– He has cheated on his wives, paid hookers hush money to keep quiet and demeaned women in general, so has very low to non-existent morals.

 

This is fairly common among rich and powerful men.  You will probably find that a high proportion of politicians in America do similar.  Biden, Clinton, also several other left-wing politician throughout history have done the same.

 

On 10/29/2024 at 12:27 PM, xylophone said:

– Rather than take up too many pages, this will be the last; he has denigrated an American war hero and American war veterans and mocked the disabled, so how can you support a "so-called" man like this.

 

He didn't actually do that, though.  It was lies from the left.

 

On 10/29/2024 at 12:27 PM, xylophone said:

Finally, trump is not respected by other world leaders because they have first-hand experience of speaking with him, that he is not the "sharpest knife in the drawer" and the CEOs from America's top companies have labelled him "dumb" and "he doesn't know what he's talking about"! Surely their word has to mean something in today's world??

 

He doesn't need to be "respected" per se.  He was certainly feared and taken seriously when he negotiated with certain world leaders.  He got a lot done.

 

Basically, your post really comes down to you asking "Why do people support Trump when I hate him and believe a load of lies about him?", which, I'm sure you can understand, is fairly nonsensical.  You can't expect people to believe the same lies and propaganda that you choose to believe, simply because you dislike Donald Trump.

Edited October 30 by BangkokReady

[Lacessit]

53 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Now you're the clairvoyant one, well done. 

What part of the present participle "guessing" expresses or implies clairvoyance?

[HappyExpat57]

25 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

In other words, no. Trump has long advocated for state control of abortion laws.

And NO state have total bans. Even the Guttmacher Institute referenced earler shows every state has exceptions. Every state. 

Another member shared the link directly to you, you deflected. Next.

[Hanaguma]

4 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Another member shared the link directly to you, you deflected. Next.

Actually, it is the opposite. The link listed states that limit abortion, and ALSO the cases in which abortions are permitted under the law. To repeat, NO state bans all abortions. EVERY state has exceptions. If you know better, give an example. 

[spidermike007]

As a Centrist Democrat Harris is not my first choice for president.

 

However she is not a convicted felon.

 

She is not suggesting huge tax hikes on the American people in the form of insane and poorly conceived tariffs on imported goods. 

 

She is not a career criminal, who has made a fortune off the backs of good, hard working Americans, who are small contractors and have had the great misfortune to deal with Trump.

 

She is not a scam artist and a huckster.

 

She is not a racist.

 

She has not had five enormous bankruptcies, where she's walked away from many billions of dollars in debt. Nor has she had five deferments from serving her nation. 

 

She does not belittle veterans and the military and scorn their service to their country. 

 

She actually pays income tax, like most decent Americans. 

 

She does not despise immigrants, who have helped to build America.

 

She's a decent human being, she's not a hater, and nor is she a clown. She is not of average intelligence. 

 

She's not a predator nor has she ever been accused of sexual assault, or paying people hush money. 

 

And she's not a pathological liar, that's enough reason for her getting my vote. 

[Danderman123]

6 hours ago, mogandave said:

So she had the baby? No, she had an  abortion. 

 

If you vote for Harris, you are voting for illegal aliens to rape and murder girls.

 

 

She said she had a miscarriage — then got arrested under an abortion law

 

You support this stuff.

 

BTW, your comment on illegal alien rapists displays your ignorance, as illegals are less likely to commit crimes than citizens.

 

You know, it's kind of tiring having to correct you low information types. Why can't you read a book so you don't pay any attention to the talking points that you get all the time?

[mogandave]

42 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

In other words, no. Trump has long advocated for state control of abortion laws.

And NO state have total bans. Even the Guttmacher Institute referenced earler shows every state has exceptions. Every state. 

They do not care. They’ll be back to telling the same lie an hour from now. 

 

The left does not care about the Truth.

[Talon]

18 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

It doesn't really mean much.  When you look at how left-wing aligned law enforcement agencies have chosen not to proescute left-wing figures, even going as far to lie to keep them out of trouble.

 

 

It's debateable as to whether he actually did this.  Also, if you look at the context, the BLM riots and looting were encouraged by left-wing figures and were pretty much ignored a lot of the time.  It hardly seems surprising that the right would want to "riot" a little.

 

 

Trump has been lied about a lot more than he has lied.  You also cannot ask for an explanation and then say that one explanation is not allowed.  Biden and the left have lied massively.  They were trying to hide Biden's dementia from everyone, yet no one seems to concerned about that.

 

 

This is fairly common among rich and powerful men.  You will probably find that a high proportion of politicians in America do similar.  Biden, Clinton, also several other left-wing politician throughout history have done the same.

 

 

He didn't actually do that, though.  It was lies from the left.

 

 

He doesn't need to be "respected" per se.  He was certainly feared and taken seriously when he negotiated with certain world leaders.  He got a lot done.

 

Basically, your post really comes down to you asking "Why do people support Trump when I hate him and believe a load of lies about him?", which, I'm sure you can understand, is fairly nonsensical.  You can't expect people to believe the same lies and propaganda that you choose to believe, simply because you dislike Donald Trump.

 

Summarized quite nicely!

 

 

[Danderman123]

10 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Actually, it is the opposite. The link listed states that limit abortion, and ALSO the cases in which abortions are permitted under the law. To repeat, NO state bans all abortions. EVERY state has exceptions. If you know better, give an example. 

I don't know what's worse, your inability to use Google, or your ignorance.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/abortion-state-tracking-trigger-laws-bans-restrictions-rcna36199

 

As a Canadian, I don't expect you to know this stuff, but you shouldn't make absolute statements about things that you don't know.

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, mogandave said:

They do not care. They’ll be back to telling the same lie an hour from now. 

 

The left does not care about the Truth.

Nope.

 

You don't care about the truth.

 

Do you maintain that no states have absolute bans on abortion? Really?

[HappyExpat57]

11 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Actually, it is the opposite. The link listed states that limit abortion, and ALSO the cases in which abortions are permitted under the law. To repeat, NO state bans all abortions. EVERY state has exceptions. If you know better, give an example. 

Deflecting AGAIN. What I said was the convicted felon said women should be punished for having abortions, you demanded a link.

 

I just don't get it - you're not an American, why do you take such an unAmerican position? Are you on the Russian payroll?

[Danderman123]

41 minutes ago, Task Master said:

Because Kamala "Headboard, Heels up" Harris is slow witted.

Next you are going to reference watermelons.

 

BTW, Trump committed adultery multiple times, does that bother you?

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Deflecting AGAIN. What I said was the convicted felon said women should be punished for having abortions, you demanded a link.

 

I just don't get it - you're not an American, why do you take such an unAmerican position? Are you on the Russian payroll?

@Hanaguma is probably one of those Russian supporters who want to see America weakened in favor of Russia. He knows that Trump defers to Putin.

 

That's the only reason I can figure that foreigners get so defensive about Trump.

[xylophone]

31 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Basically, your post really comes down to you asking "Why do people support Trump when I hate him and believe a load of lies about him?

Ah, "the old trump has many lies told about him" nonsense. Still down the rabbit hole sucking up the MAGA propaganda I see.

 

31 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

He didn't actually do that, though.  It was lies from the left.

It is there on record and video for all to see......"lies from the left" you say. In which case you need to leave the Cult for your own sanity and wellbeing.

Edited October 30 by xylophone

[mogandave]

7 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

She said she had a miscarriage — then got arrested under an abortion law

 

You support this stuff.

 

BTW, your comment on illegal alien rapists displays your ignorance, as illegals are less likely to commit crimes than citizens.

 

You know, it's kind of tiring having to correct you low information types. Why can't you read a book so you don't pay any attention to the talking points that you get all the time?

Still waiting for you to name five states where abortion is outlawed without exceptions. You just made it up.

 

If illegal aliens were not in the country, they would be raping zero American girls.

 

How many raped American girls is acceptable to you? 

 

It’s kind of tiring to have tell the same lies over and over, but here yiu are, lying again.

[mogandave]

12 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I don't know what's worse, your inability to use Google, or your ignorance.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/abortion-state-tracking-trigger-laws-bans-restrictions-rcna36199

 

As a Canadian, I don't expect you to know this stuff, but you shouldn't make absolute statements about things that you don't know.

I think you lying incessantly is worse. 

 

Name five states

[BangkokReady]

1 minute ago, xylophone said:

Ah, "the old trump has many lies told about him" nonsense. Still down the rabbit hole sucking up the MAGA propaganda.

 

It isn't nonsense, though.  What you have written is nonsense.

 

1 minute ago, xylophone said:

It is there on record and video for all to see......"lies from the left" you say. In which case you need to leave the Cult for your sanity.

 

Do you have the link?

 

As I said, this is just you believing propaganda.  You asked why "decent Americans" support Trump, this is the answer.  The things you think that are bad about him are not true, and you only believe them because you dislike Trump on a personal level.

[mogandave]

10 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Next you are going to reference watermelons.

 

BTW, Trump committed adultery multiple times, does that bother you?

No more than Harris committing adultery bothers you, and Harris did it to advance her career. 

[mogandave]

It is pretty rich calling the leftists  on this board calling anyone a liar. 

[bubblegum]

6 minutes ago, mogandave said:

I think you lying incessantly is worse. 

 

Name five states

Can't read a map?

[BangkokReady]

5 minutes ago, mogandave said:

It is pretty rich the leftists on this board calling anyone a liar. 

 

That's different, though.  The leftists are the good guys, so it's OK for them to lie to stop the bad guys.  😉

[jingjai9]

I had hoped to find some good information in this post, but it seems most of the energy was spent on disparaging "the other side." 

I think many people follow Trump because they feel no one else is looking out for them. As we enter the final week of another US presidential election season with candidates brought to us by the donor class, Americans are perhaps being forced to vote for the person they hate least. This election for many is a forced choice.

I for one do not really appreciate Donald Trump, but 70 million people voted for him. It sounds quite arrogant to brush off 70 million people as A-holes or ingenuous because they think Trump is the best.

Do you dislike Trump for all the things he says or do you take issue with the way he says them? One social critic has opined that Trump is the middle finger of US politics in the 21st century.

Many followers of Trump see him as a vent for their despair as the quality of life has continued to diminish over the last generation for many in the US. People whose jobs have been out-sourced; people who feel immigrants are taking their jobs as well as a host of other threats which causes angst among a great percentage of the electorate.  A goodly number of people also feel the US is less likely to go to war with Trump in office.

Trump speaks using the vocabulary of common people and many admire Trump because he is not just another politician who has been in an elected office for the last 40 odd years. Many Americans feel the US needs a businessman to lead the country.

My problem with Trump is that he is not the best person to articulate the viewpoints of his constituency. We do not need a president that exudes reality TV sentiment He can be quite brash, and he sets a negative tone by speaking at numerous rallies across the US with vitriol. I also think Trump is in large part responsible for the mess we find ourselves in today and that is calling people who disagree with us liptards. jerks or A-holes. I think history may look back at this era as THE AGE OF TRUMP. Have any of you ever heard Donald Trump laugh? I haven't and this gives me reason for pause.

What happened to the days when people would say, "I disagree with you 100% but I would die fighting for you your to say it?"

I am reserving my vote for a year when I have a choice.

Edited October 30 by jingjai9

[EVENKEEL]

47 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

What part of the present participle "guessing" expresses or implies clairvoyance?

I'm guessing the ballot boxes were burnt by those pesky, no good democrats. This is fun.

[bubblegum]

1 minute ago, jingjai9 said:

I had hoped to find some good information in this post, but it seems most of the energy was spent on disparaging "the other side." 

I think many people follow Trump because they feel no one else is looking out for them. As we enter the final week of another US presidential election season with candidates brought to us by the donor class, Americans are perhaps being forced to vote for the person they hate least. This election for many is a forced choice.

I for one do not really appreciate Donald Trump, but 70 million people voted for him. It sounds quite arrogant to brush off 70 million people as A-holes or ingenuous because they think Trump is the best.

Do you dislike Trump for all the things he says or do you take issue with the way he says them? One social critic has opined that Trump is the middle finger of US politics in the 21st century.

Many followers of Trump see him as a vent for their despair as the quality of life has continued to diminish over the last generation for many in the US. People whose jobs have been out-sourced; people who feel immigrants are taking their jobs as well as a host of other threats which causes angst among a great percentage of the electorate. 

Trump speaks using the vocabulary of common people and many admire Trump because he is not just another politician who has been in an elected office for the last 40 odd years. Many Americans feel the US needs a businessman to lead the country.

My problem with Trump is that he is not the best person to articulate the viewpoints of his constituency. We do not need a president that exudes reality TV sentiment He can be quite brash, and he sets a negative tone by speaking at numerous rallies across the US with vitriol. I also think Trump is in large part responsible for the mess we find ourselves in today and that is calling people who disagree with us liptards. jerks or A-holes. I think history may look back at this era as THE AGE OF TRUMP. Have any of you ever heard Donald Trump laugh? I haven't and this gives me reason for pause.

What happened to the days when people would say, "I disagree with you 100% but I would die fighting for you your to say it?"

I am reserving my vote for a year when I have a choice.

70 milj Americans, just as vulgar, uneducated and aggressive voted for him. Does not mean he is a good president. It means that a lot of Americans are vulgar, uneducated and aggressive.

 

Anybody living in a touristy place out of the USA will agree!

[mogandave]

28 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'm guessing the ballot boxes were burnt by those pesky, no good democrats. This is fun.

No, it had to be one of the two Republicans in Portland. 

[mogandave]

22 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

70 milj Americans, just as vulgar, uneducated and aggressive voted for him. Does not mean he is a good president. It means that a lot of Americans are vulgar, uneducated and aggressive.

 

Anybody living in a touristy place out of the USA will agree!

I live in a tourist area outside the USA and i don’t agree, so you’re 0 for 10 in the truth department