Will Trump deport the LEGAL Haitian migrants in Ohio as promised?

Jingthing · November 12

9 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Well, since we're talking about promises, let’s start with a classic: how about a commitment to actually preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution? Something he failed to do in his previous tenure.

Do you think anything has changed, or are we in for more of the same?

We're in for much much worse.

spidermike007 · November 12

30 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Which of his promises would you like to see him make good on?

Frankly I can't think of any, but the one that I hope he does not make good on is the import tariffs (tax hikes). They will utterly devastate the economy, and create massive inflation.

Jingthing · November 12

1 hour ago, jippytum said:

I hope so it was a major part of his election promises.

Good luck to him Illegal is illegal no contest.

The Springfield Haitians are not illegal.

Jingthing · November 12

1 hour ago, Srikcir said:

The hearing process is adjudication by an immigration judge within Department of Homeland Security. It's unlikely Trump nominations have infiltrated DHS to the extent that the Rule of Law will be abrogated.

So undocumented immigrants will get a fair and impartial review. Depending on information regarding the immigrants presence in the US under US asylum laws, they may be granted permanent stay in the US or deported.

But the current problem is more judges are needed to shorten the time gor adjudication. POTUS Trump refused to increase number of immigration judges and subsequent MAGA congressmen continued refusal to government requests.

My information says you're wrong if Trump as he has promised revokes the emergency exception for Haitians in which case hearings can't save them.

Jingthing · November 12

1 hour ago, NoDisplayName said:

Not sure what you're trying to say here.

A program to bring in millions of illegals "legally" to circumvent immigration law is bizarre.

Ending the program will allow deportation, then they can go to embassies or consulates and get in line and apply like all the other brain scientists and rocket surgeons.

Trucking in tens of millions, spending billions on socialist programs, all in the hopes of creating new voters all dependent on your regime's government programs is democracy.

Winning the electoral vote, all the swing states, and the popular vote by a yuuuuuuuuuuuge margin is totalitarian.

It was nowhere near millions of Haitians.

NoDisplayName · November 12

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It was nowhere near millions of Haitians.

Ah, I see.

So now we're only quibbling over numbers.

Let me begin.

One illegal is one too many.

Jingthing · November 12

2 hours ago, Chwooly said:

Source? or is this just another "Put Liz Cheney in front of a firing squad moment?" I love how you keep calling them "sleazeball hate mongering demagogues" and yet the worst vitriol comes from people like you.

Link for you.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/03/trump-haitian-migrants-deport-00182328

Former President Donald Trump is promising to remove Temporary Protected Status and deport the Haitian migrants in Springfield, Ohio — an escalation in rhetoric against a community his campaign has targeted with misinformation for weeks.

“Absolutely I’d revoke it and I’d bring them back to their country,” Trump told NewsNation.

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I stand by my accurate charactization of Trump. Being reelected does not change what he is.

Edited November 12 by Jingthing

transam · November 12

1 minute ago, NoDisplayName said:

Ah, I see.

So now we're only quibbling over numbers.

Let me begin.

One illegal is one too many.

It seems like you are one that has been taken in by your leader.........🤔

Jingthing · November 12

4 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

Ah, I see.

So now we're only quibbling over numbers.

Let me begin.

One illegal is one too many.

Stop lying.

The Haitians under TPS in Springfield are not illegal!

Nid_Noi · November 12

51 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

He will only carry out a very small percentage of his promises, just like in his last administration, so it's just a question of which ones he prioritizes.

He did a lot during his first mandate considering he had the senate and other agencies against him. On top of that he had to deal with two impeachments procedures. No war, good economy, low unemployment, energy independence and the Abraham Accords. For the first time since the creation of Israel Jews were allowed to travel to the Arab Emirates and do business and the Emiraties allowed to visit Israel and open trade delegations. He should have received the Nobel Peace Prize. What the last administration has done? Nothing, rien, nada except laundering money at taxpayers expenses in Ukraine and kissing Zelenskyy’s feet.

Trump can deport illegal migrants and false legal migrants as easy as Thailand, China or Japan do it. Some EU countries are starting the process as well as the UK.

Sanctuary cities may be one a thing of the past. Even Mayor Adams is complaining about the illegal migrants, their violence and cost to the taxpayers. The federal government has created the chaos and turned its back to the municipalities hardship.

Presnock · November 12

18 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

If they are here based upon false asylum claims they have problems. If their claims are true it should be okay for them. The dems have always ignored, that these honest hard working people are basing their residency upon fraudulent asylum claims that play the system.. Bring in a judge and have their cases heard right on the spot.

well a problem with that immediate hearing - the immigration backlog is hundreds of thousands long - even legal immigrant hearings are backed up due to a shortage of immigration judges.

sqwakvfr · November 12

1) Worked for the UN in Haiti. So I have some experience wtih Haitians. I will keep it short: Would not want a group of Haitians as neighbors. I will not say anything else to keep it respectful and dignified.

2) The process of deporting any foreigner from the US can be complicated and lengthy. On any given day CBP carries out deportations. This is after a series of hearing because in the USA everyone is entitled to due process. This includes foreigners regardless of their immigration status. CBP deportations can be simple as physically escorting a foreinger to an airport and walking then onboard an international flight. I was on a flight from LAX to S. Korea and a guy was escorted on board by two CBP officers. It was a low key event. It's not like CBP and HSI are going into neighborhoods and chase people up and down alleys to detain them for deportaion.

NoDisplayName · November 12

25 minutes ago, transam said:

It seems like you are one that has been taken in by your leader.........🤔

My leader? You make assumptions.

I din't vote for him. Requested a ballot from Texas, but was never sent.

Last time around.....

Edit to add........

This was not a vote FOR Biden.

It was a vote AGAINST Trump.

Edited November 12 by NoDisplayName

NoDisplayName · November 12

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Stop lying.

The Haitians under TPS in Springfield are not illegal!

The memory hole is deep.

The Biden administration on Friday announced new temporary protected status for Haitians who arrived in the U.S. on or before June 3, 2024, to shield even those who entered the country illegally from being deported back to Haiti, which remains in the grip of gang violence.

https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/biden-admin-gives-protected-status-309000-haitians-rcna159438

"temporarily protected" ≠ legal

During his next term, Trump will be "temporarily protected" from acts committed prior. Doesn't make his former actions legal.

Or does it?

mogandave · November 12

10 minutes ago, Presnock said:

well a problem with that immediate hearing - the immigration backlog is hundreds of thousands long - even legal immigrant hearings are backed up due to a shortage of immigration judges.

Once Trump is in office and the new Senate in place, they can push through thousands of appointments for new immigration judges, vetted by the Heritage Foundation.

I imagine there will also be incentives for voluntary self deportations.

Do you support deportations?

Presnock · November 12

1 minute ago, mogandave said:

Once Trump is in office and the new Senate in place, they can push through thousands of appointments for new immigration judges, vetted by the Heritage Foundation.

I imagine there will also be incentives for voluntary self deportations.

Do you support deportations?

As an American from birth, my ancestors were immigrants, look around the world today, negative birth rates, Japan had to ask retirees to return to work as not enough citizens to man the shops, same for other countries. The US has always had a large number of legal immigration and will continue as they are necessary for cheap employment in ugly jobs!

mogandave · November 12

8 minutes ago, Presnock said:

As an American from birth, my ancestors were immigrants, look around the world today, negative birth rates, Japan had to ask retirees to return to work as not enough citizens to man the shops, same for other countries. The US has always had a large number of legal immigration and will continue as they are necessary for cheap employment in ugly jobs!

Why do you think birth rates are low in the US?

Do you support deporting illegal aliens that have entered the country in the last few years?

Presnock · November 12

Just now, mogandave said:

Why do you think birth rates are low in the US?

Do you support deporting illegal aliens that have entered the country in the last few years?

12% decrease just over the past year - don't you ever google or are you waiting for a link? I don't support any criminal acty - illegal entry is a crime! On top of that, many of those countries from which these criminals come are receiving big bucks from the US to prop up that country's roles to help the poor but obviously no one has ever learned that you can't spend your way out of poverty yet those country's leaders are much richer today. I for one say send the illegals out into the ocean or wherever....as a matter of fact, personally I was affected by the onslaught of immigrants - my wife wanted to take our daughter back to the US for college (accepted, scholarships etc and daughter is half American/Thai) but, upon filing with immigration as my wife, there was over a 500K backlog - they were averagging 35K processed a month - yep, took over a year for my wife's approval! I am not a Trumper but some things he does promise, I can agree with while others not so much (i.e. project 2025, worldwide tariffs, some cabinet choices). Have a great Loy Kratong.

mogandave · November 12

2 minutes ago, Presnock said:

12% decrease just over the past year - don't you ever google or are you waiting for a link? I don't support any criminal acty - illegal entry is a crime! On top of that, many of those countries from which these criminals come are receiving big bucks from the US to prop up that country's roles to help the poor but obviously no one has ever learned that you can't spend your way out of poverty yet those country's leaders are much richer today. I for one say send the illegals out into the ocean or wherever....as a matter of fact, personally I was affected by the onslaught of immigrants - my wife wanted to take our daughter back to the US for college (accepted, scholarships etc and daughter is half American/Thai) but, upon filing with immigration as my wife, there was over a 500K backlog - they were averagging 35K processed a month - yep, took over a year for my wife's approval! I am not a Trumper but some things he does promise, I can agree with while others not so much (i.e. project 2025, worldwide tariffs, some cabinet choices). Have a great Loy Kratong.

Sorry, I meant to ask: To what would you attribute the decline in the birth rate?