Thai Electric Cables Mostly Fail Global Safety Standards

[lordgrinz]

3 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

Reminds me of a job I had done, by a Thai "electrician," I had an outlet installed for the washing machine, this machine had a separated earth wire, connect to its chassis, I ask for it to be earthed... his idea of an "earth" screw it to the concrete pad, with a self tapping screw.

 

Holy Crap! We must have had the same electrician, I had that same job done after noticing I would get electrical shocks from my new dryer. Same thing, a raw copper cable screwed to the concrete pad, in the same manner.

[john donson]

so it is not all the wannabee electricians ? loooooooooooooooooooooool

[Peterphuket]

2 hours ago, flyswat said:

Thailand does not use International standards for cable colors, and the whole elctrical standards in the country require review and major changes, plus retraining and certification of electricians trained in international safety standards.

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I'm sorry but I had to laugh at your comment, because what is good in this country.

There is no education or decent education for anything.

So, what do you expect?

[Peterphuket]

Another example are the ground rots. The ones they put in the ground to create grounding are not copper, it is just copper plated.

[fondue zoo]

 

Our guys have all been 100% TikTok Certified.

[quake]

10 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

Holy Crap! We must have had the same electrician, I had that same job done after noticing I would get electrical shocks from my new dryer. Same thing, a raw copper cable screwed to the concrete pad, in the same manner.

 

Yeah, we had an issue with grounding at our home.

Somchai come round and fixed it in no time. 

 

Edited November 13 by quake

[CallumWK]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Alarmingly, it was found that only 20 of these brands satisfied the safety criteria established by the International Organisation for Standardisation (ISO).

 

I would be interested to know the name of those 20 brands, and if they are Thai or foreign.

 

5 hours ago, webfact said:

TISI has been tasked with coordinating efforts with related agencies to lodge police complaints and revoke the licences of non-compliant companies.

 

Yeah, we all know that revoking their license will sort it. NOT.

[lordgrinz]

6 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

Yeah, we all know that revoking their license will sort it. NOT.

 

All it will do is increase the amount of brown envelopes passed around.

[newbee2022]

4 hours ago, hotchilli said:

And they wonder why they have so many electrical fires...

No, the don't wonder. They know it. At least now.

[impulse]

I think a lot of the posters are are missing a key part of this. 

 

The appliances you bought, with a power cord?  That cord is very likely sub standard.  So are the extension cords you may be using around the house.  I found that a lot when I cut power cords to shorten or lengthen them.  Took a dial caliper (micrometer) to them, and the conductor is nowhere near the correct diameter.

 

[JimHuaHin]

Surprised not.

 

Safety first?

 

International standards are not applicable in Thailand, because Thailand is exceptionally unique.

 

However, when Thailand manufactures products, such as motor vehicles, for export to foreign countries which do have stringent safety standards, that is a different story, as the foreign requirements are usually met.

[kimamey]

47 minutes ago, stix40 said:

Safety standards Thailand 

Few examples 

 

Family of 4 on a moped 

No helmets 

 

5 ton on the back of a 1 ton pickup 

 

Lamp posts laced with bare wires 

 

Pavements with mandatory angle iron protruding upwards at ankle height 

 

Please add examples ! 

 

 

 

 

I would do, but I'm 70 now so I'm not sure I've got the time

[thailand49]

4 hours ago, bendejo said:

Just more Thai bashing, as usual.

 

😅
 

 

 

If not Thai bashing what should it be?🤣

[Mises]

Bad wires are neither here nor there compared to the people installing them.  I could write a book on the horrors found in the 4 houses I have rented here.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, lch said:

What reputable brand?

 

Thai Yazaki Electric Wire

 

[OneMoreFarang]

54 minutes ago, StevieAus said:

There is no shortage of places who supply electrical cables with the earth wire HomePro is more for the DIY person their plumbing supplies are the same.

I mentioned it because it shows the sad situation.

Imagine a DIY person goes in there to buy cable. What would he buy if most cables in the shop had an earth wire?

And what does he buy if not even one of the cables on offer has an earth wire?

 

[CallumWK]

13 minutes ago, JimHuaHin said:

However, when Thailand manufactures products, such as motor vehicles, for export to foreign countries which do have stringent safety standards, that is a different story, as the foreign requirements are usually met.

 

Could that be because all of those companies are foreign owned and run?

[thailand49]

44 minutes ago, Peterphuket said:

I'm sorry but I had to laugh at your comment, because what is good in this country.

There is no education or decent education for anything.

So, what do you expect?

I think like most Thailand get a majority of their ideas from International community the problem those in charge not a clue understand the reason thus the saying " TIT " even if one give them credit red goes with red, you got to remove old useless wires when replacing.

Here in Pattaya they do a photo op of removing right behind is another crew putting up a new bundle of wires for storage future use!🤣

[KannikaP]

4 hours ago, Klong Song said:

Publish the names of the brands that meet international safety standards. 

Or those which do not please

[willi2006]

A while ago I bought some solid copper wires to be installed in pipes at a hardware store. I measured the diameters with a caliper and calculated the cross-sectional areas:

• solid copper wire 1.5 mm²:
  diameter should be 1.36 mm but was only 1.1 mm, i.e. 0.95 mm²
• solid copper wire 2.5 mm²:
  diameter should be 1.75 mm but was only 1.5 mm, i.e. 1.77 mm²
• solid copper wire 4 mm²:
  diameter should be 2.21 mm but was only 1.7 mm, i.e. 2.27 mm²
• 7 stranded copper wire 6 mm²:
  diameter should be 3.12 mm but was only 2.3 mm, i.e. 4.15 mm²

[lordgrinz]

3 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

Or those which do not please

 

That would be a VERY long list.

[KannikaP]

2 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

That would be a VERY long list.

Yes, 78 minus 20 = 58.              555

Edited November 13 by KannikaP

[lordgrinz]

1 minute ago, KannikaP said:

Yes, 78 minus 20 = 58.              555

 

With the Chinese flooding the market with garbage, I'm not buying their figures for all the tea in China.

[Tailwagsdog]

I suspect many materials are made in commo-fascist china with bogey Quality Assurance Certification attached. In Australia I have personal experience along with news reports of substandard materials imported from commo-fascist china having to be replaced or failed to perform. The Perth Children's Hospital was found to be riddled with asbestos from construction materials that were passed by Commo Fascist Chinese Government as 'asbestos free' . ....many more cases like this ...

[quake]

1 hour ago, lordgrinz said:

The joys of living in a third world cesspool, if there are qualified electricians here, then they must be uber-expensive and hard to find, because I have never seen one.

 

The real professionals all work on the big projects and for big companies.

they are here. they also earn good money.

 

But on the domestic side , we get

Noi, Rice farmer Monday.

Noi  Carpenter Tuesday.

Noi  Plumber  Wednesday.

Noi House builder Thursday.

Noi  Welder Friday.

Noi  Mechanic Saturday.

Noi Electrician Sunday.

 

Always fun.

TIT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[impulse]

26 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

4 hours ago, Klong Song said:

Publish the names of the brands that meet international safety standards. 

Or those which do not please

 

Sadly, that opens up defamation charges in Thailand.  Even if true.

[impulse]

39 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

2 hours ago, lch said:

What reputable brand?

 

Thai Yazaki Electric Wire

 

I'd still measure the conductors.  It's pretty easy to counterfeit just about any brand and packaging, even if the genuine article is compliant.  Digital calipers cost just a few $$, and the correct conductor diameter specs are all over the interwebs. 

 

Then it's a matter of making sure you got copper conductors and not copper plated aluminum...  Another common scam.

 

[lordgrinz]

5 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Sadly, that opens up defamation charges in Thailand.  Even if true.

 

Which is why we need to list of those meeting the standards, a much shorted list, and no defamation involved.

[lordgrinz]

Just now, impulse said:

 

I'd still measure the conductors.  It's pretty easy to counterfeit just about any brand and packaging, even if the genuine article is compliant.  Digital calipers cost just a few $$, and the correct conductor diameter specs are all over the interwebs. 

 

Then it's a matter of making sure you got copper conductors and not copper plated aluminum...  Another common scam.

 

 

Which I would think in the Western World would be picked up on inspection before a house is given a Certificate of Occupancy, or Electrical Inspection on a permitted repair work order.

[Gandtee]

6 hours ago, Artisi said:

Anything to save a few Baht, you do realise that copper is very expense, 😉. 

But life is cheap. Dodgy cables and dodgy electricians make for a disaster. Mai ben rai.