Witness Claims Matt Gaetz Had Sexual Relationship with Minor at Florida Party

[pattayasan]

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Already 4 terms in Congress .... cleared during previous investigation.  Now an issue again, since a Trump appointee.

 

Classic political BS ... 

 

.... cleared during previous investigation

 

I see you can't keep a straight face while saying that.

 

... why not release the report? lame excuses not allowed. Think Attorney General of the US.

Edited November 18 by pattayasan

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, pattayasan said:

This is incredible. The cries to let him off the hook because an underage girl didn't file a complaint 7 years ago. Are you guys for real? I mean, seriously?

 

The question is: Did he do anything illegal?

And that obviously brings up the question: If he did something illegal 7 years ago, why was he not investigated and possibly prosecuted at that time? And why does anybody bring up accusations now?

 

How many cases exist where there are real reasons why nobody came forward with any allegations for years?

And how many cases are brought up years later to have a reason to smear the reputation from a man?

IMHO every person who rapes another person should go to jail. The raped person should go within a reasonable time (maybe a month) to the police and let the case proceed from there.

How many reasons exist not to report a crime when it happened but a long time later?

And what chance does any accused person have to defend himself when a few years later some accusation are made? I don't remember all the details from every day from years ago. Did I meet someone today 7 years ago? Maybe. Did I f#$# her? Maybe. I don't keep records, and I am sure the same is true with many other people.

[pattayasan]

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

The question is: Did he do anything illegal?

And that obviously brings up the question: If he did something illegal 7 years ago, why was he not investigated and possibly prosecuted at that time? And why does anybody bring up accusations now?

 

How many cases exist where there are real reasons why nobody came forward with any allegations for years?

And how many cases are brought up years later to have a reason to smear the reputation from a man?

IMHO every person who rapes another person should go to jail. The raped person should go within a reasonable time (maybe a month) to the police and let the case proceed from there.

How many reasons exist not to report a crime when it happened but a long time later?

And what chance does any accused person have to defend himself when a few years later some accusation are made? I don't remember all the details from every day from years ago. Did I meet someone today 7 years ago? Maybe. Did I f#$# her? Maybe. I don't keep records, and I am sure the same is true with many other people.

 

One way to find out but there's a few people who know what's in the report fighting tooth and nail to keep it secret. One of them is Speaker Johnson.

 

Don't forget that the girl's allegation is public. The report is not.

Edited November 18 by pattayasan

[Hummin]

2 hours ago, Red Forever said:

The predictable MAGA mob on here rushing to the defence of the incoming Attorney General by thinly veiled victim blaming.

Sad.

American politicians is all about trowing dirt at each other, that's what they are best at, not to cooperate for the people who elected them.

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

Just now, pattayasan said:

One way to find out but there's a few people who know what's in the report fighting tooth and nail to keep it secret. One of them is Speaker Johnson.

 

I don't know the details. Maybe it makes send to publish official reports about politicians.

But then, I guess if any crime is described in those reports, that he would have been already investigated - just a guess.

 

 

[pattayasan]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

I don't know the details. Maybe it makes send to publish official reports about politicians.

But then, I guess if any crime is described in those reports, that he would have been already investigated - just a guess.

 

 

 

You're equating a fishing trip in a presumably routine background check scenario with an inquiry into a specific allegation by the victim which has been going on for some time now. The desperation to defend the indefensible is palpable.

[OneMoreFarang]

Just now, Hummin said:

2 hours ago, Red Forever said:

The predictable MAGA mob on here rushing to the defence of the incoming Attorney General by thinly veiled victim blaming.

Sad.

American politicians is all about trowing dirt at each other, that's what they are best at, not to cooperate for the people who elected them.

 

I don't like Trump, and I don't like many of the people who want to work with him.

But that doesn't mean they are all guilty of any crime anybody accuses them.

 

If they committed crimes, then prosecute them and punish them - as soon as possible.

[MalcolmB]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's a fact that people "remember" things wrongly after a long time. I myself was accused of breaking a young woman's tooth when it was actually a friend of mine, and it was an accident, not any sort of attack.

Are you sure it wasn’t your memory that remembered your friend doing it?

[illisdean]

Why wait 7 years to come forward and report a felony? LOL.....right.....!

 

 

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

I don't like Trump, and I don't like many of the people who want to work with him.

But that doesn't mean they are all guilty of any crime anybody accuses them.

 

If they committed crimes, then prosecute them and punish them - as soon as possible.

That's what I say, they try to digg up as much dirt as possible to use against each other. 

 

Undermining the whole system, but the sad thing, those in power do not always fall when guilty, so no wonder people become useful idiots

[pattayasan]

Just now, Hummin said:

That's what I say, they try to digg up as much dirt as possible to use against each other. 

 

Undermining the whole system, but the sad thing, those in power do not always fall when guilty, so no wonder people become useful idiots

 

It's not undermining the system, it's bolstering the system. Somebody gets nominated for high position and naturally anyone holding dirt will bring it up because that's when it's going to have the most impact. It's part of the system and healthy..Innocents will be exonerated. In the end it's a political process anyway.

[MalcolmB]

5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

I don't like Trump, and I don't like many of the people who want to work with him.

But that doesn't mean they are all guilty of any crime anybody accuses them.

 

If they committed crimes, then prosecute them and punish them - as soon as possible.

Trump knew about these accusations but still gave him the job anyway.

 

In most countries they would just choose somebody else.

 

I believe the girl in this case.

 

I believe Stormy also.

And the Playboy centerfold.

And the 34 others. 

And the jury believed Jean Carroll.

 

The United Sexpests of America 

 

Diddy he do it? 
 

 

 

[Walker88]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Here we go again with the made up political accusations.

 

So, she apparently was in the room while Gaetz and the "minor" were engaged in sexual activity, but did nothing to stop it- yeah right, we all believe her. Didn't someone say that we should all believe women ( except when they are of the opposite political persuasion ).

Weak men who have failed at relationships with women for their entire life (you know who you are) always seem to end up with negative views of women and fail to believe a minor would not stop a large adult male from a wealthy and well-connected family from engaging in sex with another minor.

 

Yes, the scars run deep, as can be seen on this Forum whenever a discussion of women arises.

[jippytum]

There should be a statute of limitations on sexual alligations.

Although this one was quite recent many  accusations are years old and politically or financially motivated. 

[Presto]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

I don't know the details. Maybe it makes send to publish official reports about politicians.

But then, I guess if any crime is described in those reports, that he would have been already investigated - just a guess.

 

 

Gaetz was investigated by DOJ, originating from the case in Florida, where his mate Joel Greenberg was sentenced and is now in jail.

DOJ didn't bring charges, and possibly dropped the case. Why?

My guess: because Gaetz is a politician, and the Garland DOJ doesn't have the guts .

But my guess is as good as yours.

The House Ethics Committee investigation was started because Gaetz walks around in Congress showing pictures and videos of his 'conquests', and because almost everyone there hates the guy with a vengeance.

Edited November 18 by Presto

[spidermike007]

This guy is the least qualified person ever selected for the office of Attorney General, he graduated from a very minor law school, he practiced very simple law for two years, he never held a Judicial post and the only reason that comes to mind that he was selected was that he shares Trump's animosity for the justice department. 

 

I said this a long time ago and I'll say it again, if there's one thing you can count on with Donald Trump it's that he will pick from the bottom of the barrel when it comes to selecting people for his administration. He showed it last time around and he's showing that again. 

[G_Money]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well not until after the inauguration.

Do you have these rape convictions readily available?

[Ben Zioner]

5 hours ago, klauskunkel said:

I'm just astonished that there  are people who would believe that Matt Gaetz can actually get it up...

Speaking generally the issue with Trumpists is size more than potency. But anyway they display all the features of lousy lovers. 

[G_Money]

2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Weak men who have failed at relationships with women for their entire life (you know who you are) always seem to end up with negative views of women and fail to believe a minor would not stop a large adult male from a wealthy and well-connected family from engaging in sex with another minor.

 

Yes, the scars run deep, as can be seen on this Forum whenever a discussion of women arises.

Will Biden’s daughter have these same scars?

 

Do Queers hate women too?

[bendejo]

11 hours ago, Social Media said:

The claims against Gaetz have resurfaced following a report by ABC News that a central figure in the DOJ's earlier sex trafficking investigation testified before the Ethics Committee, alleging that Gaetz had a sexual relationship with her when she was 17 years old. The woman, now in her 20s, was subpoenaed by the ethics panel over the summer and testified about the alleged encounter.  

 

Can't you just hear him?

"Trafficking?  Hell, it was 3am, we were the only car on the road, there was no traffic!"

 

[Presto]

6 hours ago, klauskunkel said:

I'm just astonished that there  are people who would believe that Matt Gaetz can actually get it up...

For your information:

'As part of his plea deal, Greenberg provided information to investigators about Gaetz related to the sex-trafficking probe, a source familiar with the case previously told CNN. Women who attended parties with Greenberg and Gaetz previously told CNN that they participated in sex parties near Orlando that featured local political figures, young women, Venmo payments, alcohol, and drugs.'

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/01/politics/joel-greenberg-sentencing/index.html

 

 

Edited November 18 by Presto

[The Cyclist]

6 hours ago, Hummin said:

Well, do I think or believe Bill had any such relations with Epstein? Possible, o4 plausible, but, who out of importance did not? 

 

To be fair, old Clinton has previous

 

Who can forget

 

" I did not have sexual relations with that woman "

[NanLaew]

8 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

I am a great defender of what you are proposing, however, I think you need two catogories on a finding - 1. Guilty of making false statements - sentence - what the man would have got if found guilty, and also 'unproven' , where there is a less sentence to none as the case is closed, man gets his honour back and the woman must be named in case she is doing this to other people. He then has a right to sue on bother cases

 

Scotland is unique in the British Isles as having a third "not proven" legal ajudication.

 

It doesn't remotely construe as being found "not guilty".

[NanLaew]

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Already 4 terms in Congress .... cleared during previous investigation.  Now an issue again, since a Trump appointee.

 

Classic political BS ... 

 

Gaetz is just another Washington 'swamp thing'. They're all 'protected species' to varying degrees. Just some more than others.

[NanLaew]

4 hours ago, pattayasan said:

 

One way to find out but there's a few people who know what's in the report fighting tooth and nail to keep it secret. One of them is Speaker Johnson.

 

Don't forget that the girl's allegation is public. The report is not.

 

To paraphrase Gary Puckett & the Union Gap, this girl is a woman now.

 

By going public, it could force the release of the "damaging" Ethics Committee investigation that has been conveniently hamstrung by his resignation from the House. Otherwise, all he can do is keep saying it's lies and 'lawfare' and fake news until the cows come home, or the AG nomination is retracted (whichever happens first).

[NanLaew]

3 hours ago, Presto said:

Gaetz was investigated by DOJ, originating from the case in Florida, where his mate Joel Greenberg was sentenced and is now in jail.

DOJ didn't bring charges, and possibly dropped the case. Why?

My guess: because Gaetz is a politician, and the Garland DOJ doesn't have the guts .

But my guess is as good as yours.

The House Ethics Committee investigation was started because Gaetz walks around in Congress showing pictures and videos of his 'conquests', and because almost everyone there hates the guy with a vengeance.

 

Yes, there was a horse-trade back then. Greenberg turned state's evidence to avoid a life sentence. He got 11 years.

 

Hopefully, it will all come out in the wash.

[Presto]

21 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Yes, there was a horse-trade back then. Greenberg turned state's evidence to avoid a life sentence. He got 11 years.

 

Hopefully, it will all come out in the wash.

Yes, we can always hope. And letting Gaetz off the hook was not part of the deal with Greenberg. I hope.

The legacy of this Biden administration with regard to upholding the rule of law is atrocious.

And, if Gaetz wants a confirmation by the Senate to become AG, there should be an FBI background check. And the report from the Ethics Committee available.

I doubt any of that will happen.

Edited November 18 by Presto

[Presto]

49 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

I am asking you to follow AN forum rules.  (no I am not a Mod!).

If you do not know what is meant by "credible" sources I suggest you read a dictionary then read the AN Forum rules.

Hopefully this will help you. The witness testified under oath.

 

Rep. Gaetz sought Trump pardon, former White House aide testifies to Jan 6 committee

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/17/politics/matt-gaetz-trump-pardon-justice-department/index.html

 

 

Edited November 18 by metisdead
Link corrected.

[metisdead]

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Trump is going off the rails (already) with this nomination