Biden lifts restrictions on Ukraine using US weapons to strike deep inside Russia.

[CharlieH]

 

President Biden authorized Ukraine to use U.S.-supplied missiles to strike further into Russia, multiple reports said.

The move comes as about 10,000 North Korean troops aid Russia in its war and expect to fight in Ukraine in the “next several weeks.”

The move also comes after President-elect Trump won the presidential election, claimed he would end the Russia-Ukraine war in one day and raised the question if his administration would be as supportive of Ukraine as Biden’s, The Associated Press reported.

An official and others familiar with the matter told the AP about Biden’s authorization but were not able to discuss the decision publicly, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

In a nightly address, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said he is “deeply grateful” to all of the country’s partners who support them with “air defense systems and missiles.”

 

As reported by  The Hill

 

[freedomnow]

Wow, that is quite amove considering Putin said he would consider USA and NATO directly at war with Russia if that happens...

[jasonsamui55]

He couldn't win the election. His girl couldn’t win. But he wants to leave his legacy and start WWIII. Insanity.

[Cryingdick]

Grandpa got out of the basement and he is on the rampage. Good grief Charlie Brown why is this guy still in office and on the world stage?

[Tailwagsdog]

Pummel the Putin Fascist dictatorship into the ground, destroy the dirty dog and finish the war he stated. The world will be so thankful to Ukraine and its allies and including many Russians that want peaceful prosperous lives without their boys & men being sent to slaughter. Make Ukraine strong & remember all those innocent good hearted men & women that died fighting for freedom. 

[thaibeachlovers]

12 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

Grandpa got out of the basement and he is on the rampage. Good grief Charlie Brown why is this guy still in office and on the world stage?

It's a good question, but while he should have been forced out after they had to admit he wasn't competent to be POTUS again, it seems the congress isn't interested in doing anything about it. Perhaps they realised a senile old man was better than a moronic younger woman in charge.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, Tailwagsdog said:

Pummel the Putin Fascist dictatorship into the ground, destroy the dirty dog and finish the war he stated. The world will be so thankful to Ukraine and its allies and including many Russians that want peaceful prosperous lives without their boys & men being sent to slaughter. Make Ukraine strong & remember all those innocent good hearted men & women that died fighting for freedom. 

Seems we have someone posting that doesn't know that Putin has nukes. While he may not have used them so far, it's irrational to believe that he would not if Russia was losing.

In that event, a lot more Ukrainians will die, and perhaps everyone the poster knows as well as himself.

[Bkk Brian]

About frigging time on this!!

[Cryingdick]

On CNN some lady was saying that Ukraine can't actually launch any of them without the USA being directly involved with satellites to aim them. So every strike would need US approval. I am not sure if satellite would mean Starlink or something else. 

 

Zelensky already said the war would be shortened with Trump in place> I am sure Trump is saying don't do it to him. 

 

Don't.

Edited November 17 by Cryingdick

[gargamon]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems we have someone posting that doesn't know that Putin has nukes. While he may not have used them so far, it's irrational to believe that he would not if Russia was losing.

In that event, a lot more Ukrainians will die, and perhaps everyone the poster knows as well as himself.

So bow down to any of the idiots that have nukes because they might use them? NK wants SK so give it to them because they have nukes? Etc. Russia uses nukes they'll never be able to fight another war

[Cryingdick]

38 minutes ago, gargamon said:

So bow down to any of the idiots that have nukes because they might use them? NK wants SK so give it to them because they have nukes? Etc. Russia uses nukes they'll never be able to fight another war

You use your status  as a nuclear power to project strength and deter this before it starts. That ship has obviously sailed. 

[pattayasan]

52 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems we have someone posting that doesn't know that Putin has nukes. While he may not have used them so far, it's irrational to believe that he would not if Russia was losing.

In that event, a lot more Ukrainians will die, and perhaps everyone the poster knows as well as himself.

 

The US already knows Putin isn't going to use the nukes. Never.

[pattayasan]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

Grandpa got out of the basement and he is on the rampage. Good grief Charlie Brown why is this guy still in office and on the world stage?

 

Grandpa is doing what the rest pf the world has wanted him to do for ages. He's not covfefe on this.

[pattayasan]

Now this story has flushed the Russian trolls out of the woodwork, LOL,

[Cryingdick]

5 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

Grandpa is doing what the rest pf the world has wanted him to do for ages. He's not covfefe on this.

Yeah well good luck to grandpa and Zelensky if Musk puts them in the dark. This was no longer Grandpa's fight.

Edited November 17 by Cryingdick

[CANSIAM]

A decision to put a little more stress on Trump as well...............

[pattayasan]

1 minute ago, Cryingdick said:

Yeah well good luck to grandpa and Zelensky if Musk puts them in the dark. This was no longer Grandpa's fight.

 

It's grandpa's fight for the next 6 weeks. Do you think Biden doesn't know he's got Republican (senate) support for this?

[Cryingdick]

2 minutes ago, CANSIAM said:

A decision to put a little more stress on Trump as well...............

Trump handles stress well. If Zelensky gets aggressive he is going to get punished harder when the plug is pulled on all of this.

Edited November 17 by Cryingdick

[Cryingdick]

1 minute ago, pattayasan said:

 

It's grandpa's fight for the next 6 weeks. Do you think Biden doesn't know he's got Republican (senate) support for this?

Good luck fighting if your entire communications system is cut off. I am going to predict Zelensky doesn't hit anything of value deep in Russia. He knows there is a table to negotiate at soon. Ukraine will never take that territory back. I could be wrong and Zelensky fights until the last m,an, because that is what it will come to in that scenario.

 

 

[pattayasan]

4 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

Trump handles stress well. If Zelensky gets aggressive he is going to get punished harder when the plug is pulled on all of this.

 

We'll get to find out real soon now. That boom you here is the Russian apologist's heads exploding. The next booms will be in Russia. Don't stand on the Kurch bridge.

Edited November 17 by pattayasan

[pattayasan]

1 minute ago, Cryingdick said:

Good luck fighting if your entire communications system is cut off. I am going to predict Zelensky doesn't hit anything of value deep in Russia. He knows there is a table to negotiate at soon. Ukraine will never take that territory back. I could be wrong and Zelensky fights until the last m,an, because that is what it will come to in that scenario.

 

I wouldn't want to be Musk if he cuts off starlink now. There would be a mass revolt among senators.

[Cryingdick]

7 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

I wouldn't want to be Musk if he cuts off starlink now. There would be a mass revolt among senators.

Yeah but trump and Musk have a strong hand right now. I can almost guarantee Zelensky hits nothing of consequence deep in Russia. They need USA permission to do so. Not sure anybody needs PUtin enraged before they begin the messy business of chopping up eastern Ukraine. There is no other end to this war other than Ukraine eventually losing.

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, freedomnow said:

Wow, that is quite amove considering Putin said he would consider USA and NATO directly at war with Russia if that happens...

Putin says a lot of crap. No reason to listen to him. 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

About frigging time on this!!

Yeah. 

Better late than never though.

It was predictable that Biden wouldn't do it before the election though.

[Cryingdick]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/17/russia-targets-ukraines-power-grid-in-biggest-missile-strike-in-months-officials-say

[frank83628]

34 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

Grandpa is doing what the rest pf the world has wanted him to do for ages. He's not covfefe on this.

No, not everyone is a war hungry <deleted>.

[frank83628]

20 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

I wouldn't want to be Musk if he cuts off starlink now. There would be a mass revolt among senators.

Good, the RINOS will expose them selves and can leave,save Musk and vivek sacking them further down the line anyway

[thaibeachlovers]

37 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

You use your status  as a nuclear power to project strength and deter this before it starts. That ship has obviously sailed. 

Apparently someone doesn't realise that using nukes in RETALIATION is different from a first strike.

Nth Korea having nukes doesn't mean they will use them to invade Sth Korea, but it definitely means that Sth Korea and the US won't be invading the Nth.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

Yeah but trump and Musk have a strong hand right now. I can almost guarantee Zelensky hits nothing of consequence deep in Russia. They need USA permission to do so. Not sure anybody needs PUtin enraged before they begin the messy business of chopping up eastern Ukraine. There is no other end to this war other than Ukraine eventually losing.

Correct. If Zelensky sent a missile into the Kremlin, Kiev would cease to exist.

[Cryingdick]

6 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/17/russia-targets-ukraines-power-grid-in-biggest-missile-strike-in-months-officials-say

 

The president also insisted that the US under Trump could not force Ukraine into a humiliating or unattractive peace settlement. “We are an independent country,” Zelenskyy said, adding: “The rhetoric of ‘sit down and listen’ does not work with us.”

In response, Elon Musk, a billionaire adviser to Trump, sought to undercut the Ukrainian president. “His sense of humour is amazing,” Musk posted on X. Musk’s Space X company provides Starlink satellite internet services of critical importance to Ukraine for battlefield communications.