Thai Senate Approves Landmark Change to Child Discipline Law

[PremiumLane]

5 hours ago, Aussie999 said:

Big mistake Thailand,  you are heading diwn the same path as the west, with delinquent kids running wild, being agressive/abusive/undisciplined/uncontrollable with no set boundaries, this law has the possibility of changing your society.... the only good thing, like most laws, Thais will ignore it.

cos kids were never delinquent in the good old days, no never. 

[Aussie999]

5 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Too late.... Thailand already has the above

Um, explain what Thailand already has.

[Aussie999]

2 hours ago, Drumbuie said:

"it never did ME any harm"... But it did, if you think that violence is the best way to train children (or animals). 

 

 

You don't know me well enough, to assume such things.... seems you are the aggressor.

[Aussie999]

25 minutes ago, PremiumLane said:

cos kids were never delinquent in the good old days, no never. 

some certainly were, but NOT to the degree of today

[Baba Naba]

Proverbs 23:14 Thou shalt discipline him with the rod and save his soul from hell. 

Modern Translation: Spare the rod, spoil the child.

[Presnock]

4 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

Old habits die hard, and the fact that there is now a "law" in a country where "laws" are selectively and randomly "enforced" means little to those being "disciplined".

 

 

File this one with the "law passed to eliminate seasonal burning".

 

"Have you stopped beating your children?"

 

 

 

 

never, ever struck/beat my children - learned from my parents.  Discipline does not need to be violent.  I learned early in life the difference between bad and good and my parents were never religious.   

 

1 hour ago, Guderian said:

 

Thailand seems to want to adopt all sorts of Western habits and ideas and become a similar cultural and economic basket case. A lot of us moved here a long time ago specifically because it was so different from the West. Nowadays, with the banking rules and new global income tax proposals, the differences are becoming confined to the weather and the temples. 

well as for economic basket case, Thailand leads most countries.

[hotchilli]

2 hours ago, Aussie999 said:

Um, explain what Thailand already has.

Delinquents

[Aussie999]

2 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Delinquents

True, but do we want more.

 

[pacovl46]

If you take a look at how disrespectful kids have become in the west I don't think this is the right way to go. I get where they're coming from, though.

[transam]

10 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Please find the definition of "reasonable", what are the parameters?

 

Well, blackboard dusters, you know, the wooden ones, did give you a lump on the head to go home with.  😝

[Jonathan Swift]

18 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

 

But what about teachers?

Next, hopefully

[Deserted]

But if you truly love your child, you would never hit them. End of story.

[Deserted]

But if you truly love your child, you would never hit them. End of story.

[Deserted]

7 hours ago, Presnock said:

never, ever struck/beat my children - learned from my parents.  Discipline does not need to be violent.  I learned early in life the difference between bad and good and my parents were never religious.   

 

well as for economic basket case, Thailand leads most countries.

No it doesn't, Thailand is a developing nation which is becoming increasingly more commercialized, and its been long since proven that Thailand hasa higher percentage of home owners than almost all western european countries. Plus its second highest source in its GDP always remains on the up, so think again friend. 

[NorthernRyland]

15 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

They keep attempting to Align" themselves with the "developed" world,   If they were to just stop for a minute or two and take a good hard critical look at the so called developed world and the state its in , they might come to the conclusion that they would be better off aligning themselves with something else.  Or maybe just doing their own thing

 

 

The real joke is they're doing their alignment during the time when the West is in catastrophic decline and falling apart across the spectrum. All the worst ideas that led to this decline they're now adopting and striving for. They really have no clue.

[NorthernRyland]

33 minutes ago, Deserted said:

No it doesn't, Thailand is a developing nation which is becoming increasingly more commercialized, and its been long since proven that Thailand hasa higher percentage of home owners than almost all western european countries. Plus its second highest source in its GDP always remains on the up, so think again friend. 

 

Really? Housing prices are one of our most serious problems now but I see most Thais living with family in generational homes. Maybe that's true but it's because they aren't owning their homes in the same we are. We would have the same rates I'm sure if people never moved out of their parents house.

 

The availability of cheap condos may the reason too but that's not a great way to live and probably leading the decline in birth rates since it's hard to start a family like that.

[Deserted]

Yes, you can't beat spending your entire life to pay off your morgage! Given that we have an indoors culture, we do need to keep those payments up, along with god knows how many others.

[NorthernRyland]

2 minutes ago, Deserted said:

Yes, you can't beat spending your entire life to pay off your morgage! Given that we have an indoors culture, we do need to keep those payments up, along with god knows how many others.

One of the reason I moved out of CM was the proliferation of housing projects. Thai's are doing the exact same thing now and it's sad. If you look a Google maps over the city you can see it's just one big sprawling mess of these horrible congested housing projects often off of busy noisy roads. It's just depressing to see them adopt this and it's probably even worse than America because of how artificial and cramped they are. Yet they're lining up to live in their box with the mutlti-decade mortgage and car they need to drive everywhere. Sad.

[Keeps]

13 hours ago, OldmanJ said:

There's nothing wrong  with a slap on the butt and being sent to your room until you realize what you've done wrong. I'm sure the majority of us had that 3 or4 timed before.

It wasn't the smack on the ar$e that hurt, it was the look of disappointment on my parents face when I had done something wrong (combined with not getting any dinner as I was a bit of a chubster in my younger days). 

 

Nowadays, no sense of shame shown by a large number of youths. Generally, just utter contempt for their elders. 

[Dogmatix]

20 hours ago, Aussie999 said:

Big mistake Thailand,  you are heading diwn the same path as the west, with delinquent kids running wild, being agressive/abusive/undisciplined/uncontrollable with no set boundaries, this law has the possibility of changing your society.... the only good thing, like most laws, Thais will ignore it.

 

Teachers unions in the UK came up with similar arguments in the 70s and 80s trying to resist the abolition of corporal punishment in schools.  My experience of corporal punishment at school was that it was at best dished out in a totally arbitrary and unfair manner and, at worst (and this was sadly only too common) was administered purely for the perverse sexual pleasure of teachers and prefects doing the beatings. Floggings at home and at school did nothing to encourage better behaviour but instilled a deep hatred and resentment for the beaters and a disrespect for authority which proved itself irresponsible.

[Dogmatix]

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[Presnock]

10 hours ago, Deserted said:

No it doesn't, Thailand is a developing nation which is becoming increasingly more commercialized, and its been long since proven that Thailand hasa higher percentage of home owners than almost all western european countries. Plus its second highest source in its GDP always remains on the up, so think again friend. 

Having lived and worked in more than 15 countries around the world, as well as living here many times since the 70's, Thailand is a developing country, with many periods of military overthrow of the govt and drops back down.  Look at the home debt rate in this country which is increasing almost daily.  When the aveage salary is as low as it is here, if it was not in the tropics, folks would most likely not be able to survive IMHO.  Most of th money in this country is owned by just a few families.  I was giving my opinion based on my life experiences and sorry it doesn't foit with your opinion.

[Aussie999]

6 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

 

Teachers unions in the UK came up with similar arguments in the 70s and 80s trying to resist the abolition of corporal punishment in schools.  My experience of corporal punishment at school was that it was at best dished out in a totally arbitrary and unfair manner and, at worst (and this was sadly only too common) was administered purely for the perverse sexual pleasure of teachers and prefects doing the beatings. Floggings at home and at school did nothing to encourage better behaviour but instilled a deep hatred and resentment for the beaters and a disrespect for authority which proved itself irresponsible.

It's sad you had such a bad experience, but hey, look how undisciplined pommy kids are today, compared to when you were young, or your parents were young.

[john donson]

if you have an adhd (or worse) kid and you went to the hospitals to get meds that change nothing, one might get frustrated at some point and when 'they' misbehave and words do nothing...

[lordgrinz]

"Spare the rod, spoil the child"