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Posted
19 hours ago, jaizan said:

I've stayed in the same place for years.  

 

If I stay for 1.2 months, for example, they always pro-rata'd the rent, so I paid 1.2x the montly rate. 

Inclined to say you were fortunate that they gave you that good arrangement. I would expect any odd days over the month to be charged at the daily rate. 

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Pricing is counter logical - what is the point if having monthly rate in the first place of not encourage stay longer continuous stay.

 

Do they actually expect monthly rate only to be available for calendar months, that would not surprise either. 

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Pricing is counter logical - what is the point if having monthly rate in the first place if not to encourage stay longer continuous stay. 

 

Do they actually expect monthly rate only to be available for calendar months, that would not surprise either. 

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On 12/29/2024 at 4:10 PM, richard_smith237 said:

He's met the monthly criteria by already staying one month.

hahahahahaha

Posted
On 12/29/2024 at 10:35 AM, jaizan said:

If every customer does this, eventually they might see sense.

You'll show them.. make the new place sign a binding contract and give you a deposit and charge a fee for making new rates... that should teach them a lesson..

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Supply & demand, the current market, what's their offer, you accept or not.  Move on if not acceptable.   

 

Depends a lot on the time frame you are using for price comparison.   If short span of time, then drastic difference, since no to few tourist here from 2020 to late 2023.   Less than 1M to now 30+M once again.  Yea, they get to charge any silly price they want.

 

I'm a thrifty shopper, but, comfort & convenience can't be ignored.  UP2U what that is worth to you.

 

A few factors have priority, before I even consider staying anywhere.   Don't do long term, but I wouldn't expect a monthly rate to be extended for less than a month's stay.   Or a weekly rate for a 5 or 6 day stay.

 

What next, you want to pay 1.5 the box rate for 18 beers, instead of a box + 6 singles.   Four 250g blocks of cheese for the 1kg price.

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On 12/29/2024 at 4:00 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

   The most expensive accommodation on hotel.com is 177 000 Baht and that can accommodate 21 people , 21 people can stay there 

 

 

Nick, just to let you know, you don't need to paste everything on a link, everything after the ? is useless, just tracking data.

Posted
On 12/29/2024 at 11:16 AM, jaizan said:

The daily rate is 43% higher.

 

Continuous occupancy means there are fewer voids and they also clean the rooms less frequently. So they offer a lower monthly rate. These principles are the same if they apply for one month or 1.5 months.

 

From my perspective, the place is competitive if I stay for exactly 1 month, or 2 months.   However, if I'm staying for 1.5 months, it now makes sense to move to somewhere with a sensible daily or weekly rate after a month.

Bit of a distortion to say daily rate is higher, reality is the premises are offering a discount for a month stay which usually comes with a reduction in service. Sometimes water and electricity may be charged separately.

Been that policy for over 20 years that I know of, fractions of a month are charged at daily rate, anything else would be the exception rather than the norm.

After a month I moved somewhere else for the remaining couple of weeks.

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On 12/29/2024 at 4:28 PM, richard_smith237 said:

But see no reason for them to price the room like this other than stubborn greed.

A statement like that is obviously based on ignorance.

There may well be some that are trying to capitalise but most of the premises offering monthly/daily rates have valid reasons for not bowing to the whims of the falang.

It all  hinges on the service provided for the monthly basis and how that can be controlled.

 

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41 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Bit of a distortion to say daily rate is higher, reality is the premises are offering a discount for a month stay which usually comes with a reduction in service. Sometimes water and electricity may be charged separately.

Been that policy for over 20 years that I know of, fractions of a month are charged at daily rate, anything else would be the exception rather than the norm.

After a month I moved somewhere else for the remaining couple of weeks.

 

There's the issue. If bills are charged separately for monthly and inclusive for daily, do they hand the deposit back after the month is over and then charge the inclusive daily rate? A rather unpleasant state of affairs. Seems only fair to charge the whole stay at the monthly rate. Convenient for both sides. Greed however, usually rears it's ugly head in these situations. 

One place that I stayed did exactly what happened to the OP. I stopped going there and stopped recommending it to other people.

The new place charged pro-rata. 

Posted
29 minutes ago, sandyf said:

A statement like that is obviously based on ignorance.

There may well be some that are trying to capitalise but most of the premises offering monthly/daily rates have valid reasons for not bowing to the whims of the falang.

It all  hinges on the service provided for the monthly basis and how that can be controlled.

 

 

Would love to read about some of those reasons that you so stoutly defend. I cannot think of any right now. You?

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I have notices Thais count prices with fingers at market.

There's no 30+ fingers - simple as that.

 

Go by the wall calendar, month by month, no problems.

Posted
6 hours ago, Centigrade32 said:

 

Would love to read about some of those reasons that you so stoutly defend. I cannot think of any right now. You?

Quite sad when bigotry gets in the way of reason.

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On 1/6/2025 at 4:16 AM, sandyf said:

Quite sad when bigotry gets in the way of reason.

 

Quite sad when your posts stop making sense. I asked to see your reasoning. A perfectly reasonable request. It seems that you are trying to deflect, as you are unable to comply. 

It's okay to say that you cannot.

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On 1/6/2025 at 5:10 AM, sandyf said:
On 12/29/2024 at 12:28 PM, richard_smith237 said:

But see no reason for them to price the room like this other than stubborn greed.

A statement like that is obviously based on ignorance.

There may well be some that are trying to capitalise but most of the premises offering monthly/daily rates have valid reasons for not bowing to the whims of the falang.

It all  hinges on the service provided for the monthly basis and how that can be controlled.

 

 

No its not -masked under a thin veneer of 'policy' is simple greed, thats all it is.

 

There is no 'physical reason' that they have to lock in a daily rate if the stay is longer than a month already.

The monthly services can simply continue on for the stay - there is no need for any property to suddenly service the rooms on a daily basis etc when the stay is a continuation of a long term stay.

 

The only justification... 'because thats the rules'....    

 

 

Talking of ignorance - I wonder how often you are taking advantage of and ripped off in Thailand because you dress up someone else's greed as a justifiable policy.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Centigrade32 said:

 

Quite sad when your posts stop making sense. I asked to see your reasoning. A perfectly reasonable request. It seems that you are trying to deflect, as you are unable to comply. 

It's okay to say that you cannot.

Your words

" If bills are charged separately for monthly and inclusive for daily, do they hand the deposit back after the month is over and then charge the inclusive daily rate? A rather unpleasant state of affairs."

 

Your are not interested in reason, mind already made up.

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OP - try this:

When I didn't get room first at Jomtien I tipped 1000 THB and I got what I wanted... Suddenly plenty of rooms came available 🙂

 

This is Thailand.

Posted
2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

No its not -masked under a thin veneer of 'policy' is simple greed, thats all it is.

 

There is no 'physical reason' that they have to lock in a daily rate if the stay is longer than a month already.

The monthly services can simply continue on for the stay - there is no need for any property to suddenly service the rooms on a daily basis etc when the stay is a continuation of a long term stay.

 

The only justification... 'because thats the rules'....    

 

 

Talking of ignorance - I wonder how often you are taking advantage of and ripped off in Thailand because you dress up someone else's greed as a justifiable policy.

 

 

"Greed" the fallback weapon in the bigot's arsenal.

If you don't like the way someone run's their business, you can buy from another.

If you don't like the way the Thais behave you shouldn't be here, sure there are other places more to your way of thinking.

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Posted
35 minutes ago, sandyf said:

"Greed" the fallback weapon in the bigot's arsenal.

 

I'm not sure how you've managed to shoe-horn in some gaslighting with the accusation of bigotry - but well-done all the same !!!

 

It is the business practice thats fallen under criticism, not the nationality, race or ethnicity of the business owner (the same criticism of 'greed' would be levied at a business owner of any nationality, location etc if engaging in the same practices)...

 

 

35 minutes ago, sandyf said:

If you don't like the way someone run's their business, you can buy from another.

If you don't like the way the Thais behave you shouldn't be here, sure there are other places more to your way of thinking.

 

Ah... the "if you don't like it go back to where you came from comment"....    the fallback of the halfwitted muppet who lacks the intelligence to generate a sensible response - utterly dumb - such comments have been used by the cerebrally flawed on this thread for years now - little do they know how stupid it truly makes them look. 

 

Your attempts to 'point score' have made you look rather dimwitted, Sandy...   perhaps less of a trigger finger in your response next time... think first !!...  'mouth into neutral, brain into gear' !! 

Posted
3 hours ago, sandyf said:

Your words

" If bills are charged separately for monthly and inclusive for daily, do they hand the deposit back after the month is over and then charge the inclusive daily rate? A rather unpleasant state of affairs."

 

Your are not interested in reason, mind already made up.

 

Yes, that's my opinion. Do you expect everyone to hold the same views? 

You stated they had reasons, suggesting that you knew their reasons. So I asked you.

It appears that you in fact know nothing at all. Thank you.

Posted
14 hours ago, GypsyT said:

OP - try this:

When I didn't get room first at Jomtien I tipped 1000 THB and I got what I wanted... Suddenly plenty of rooms came available 🙂

 

This is Thailand.

Sort of takes the edge off the special rate one gets on the monthly deal being extended a few days though.

Posted
15 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Your attempts to 'point score' have made you look rather dimwitted, Sandy...   perhaps less of a trigger finger in your response next time... think first !!...  'mouth into neutral, brain into gear' !! 

The dimwitted are those that think they are entitled to something that isn't there.

You will be complaining next that if you buy  a case of beer you should be entitled to loose bottles at the same price.

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13 hours ago, Centigrade32 said:

 

Yes, that's my opinion. Do you expect everyone to hold the same views? 

You stated they had reasons, suggesting that you knew their reasons. So I asked you.

It appears that you in fact know nothing at all. Thank you.

The accommodation business, worldwide, is based on nightly rates.  Some premises will offer a discount subject to certain conditions, if you do not agree with these conditions you are at liberty to go elsewhere.

Many businesses have a different rate for for fixed packages,do you complain about them all?

After 25 years in Thailand I know more than most about accommodation and the only valid question is the nightly rate appropriate.

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1 hour ago, sandyf said:

The accommodation business, worldwide, is based on nightly rates.  Some premises will offer a discount subject to certain conditions, if you do not agree with these conditions you are at liberty to go elsewhere.

Many businesses have a different rate for for fixed packages,do you complain about them all?

After 25 years in Thailand I know more than most about accommodation and the only valid question is the nightly rate appropriate.

 

I fail to see any "reasons" there. I see just your opinion. But it appears that you believe that you opinion is more valid than anyone else's. There can be no other reason for your rude behaviour throughout.

 

The accommodation business also has monthly and weekly rates. If I stayed a month and a week, I would expect to be charged, at the very least, the monthly rate and then the weekly rate, but best of all would be Pro-rata, since I would already be staying more than a month, which is the whole point that appears to escape your reasoning.

 

Monthly rates are cheaper due to one staying for a longer term and often do not include electricity and water charges. Better to keep your customers happy, than to snatch a short term gain. I didn't ever stay at that place again after they charged me a daily rate for an extra two days. That's 45k a month they missed out on and I rarely see that suite occupied.

 

That's the no-brainer that you are missing. You can think that you are right and have no customers or you can keep the customers that you have and perhaps get even more recommendations. 

 

Enjoy your day.

 

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4 hours ago, sandyf said:

The dimwitted are those that think they are entitled to something that isn't there.

You will be complaining next that if you buy  a case of beer you should be entitled to loose bottles at the same price.

 

Well done.. you've managed to shoe-horn in the words dimwitted, entitled, complaining and a gaslit with an unrelated example... 

 

Now.. to respond in kind:  The 'dimwitted' are those that fall for this sort of BS... If you think an expectation of fair or reasonable treatment is entitled, then you've spent half of your life getting walked over like a door-matt.

 

Basic reading comprehension: Expressing comments that relate to and understand the Ops point is not a complaint - learn to understand the context of what you read before attempting to point score.

 

Your beer example is daft non-sequitur - while the principle may seem related to you, its actually a completely unrelated.

 

 

 

 

Posted
3 hours ago, sandyf said:

The accommodation business, worldwide, is based on nightly rates. 

 

No its not - thats why you have Weekly, Monthly and Yearly rates - just look at serviced apartments, many have long term rates and nightly rates - exactly what the Op is discussing.

 

3 hours ago, sandyf said:

Some premises will offer a discount subject to certain conditions, if you do not agree with these conditions you are at liberty to go elsewhere.

 

Ah... the 'if you don't like it go elsewhere argument' ... it really is not a strong argument, its quite dumb in fact.

 

 

3 hours ago, sandyf said:

Many businesses have a different rate for for fixed packages, do you complain about them all?

 

Dumb attempt to point score...   that would be as dumb as someone asking you if you defend every policy you see in Thailand no matter how disagreeable - You've clearly taken a stance, no need to double down with stupidity.

 

3 hours ago, sandyf said:

After 25 years in Thailand I know more than most about accommodation and the only valid question is the nightly rate appropriate.

 

No you don't - you just think you do. The reality is that there are a myriad of different policies applied throughout the country.

... The perfect example of this is this very subject - The Op has previously stayed on Per-month basis and had extra days charged on a pro-rata basis. After a 'new manager' has started working, he changed the policy.

 

So no, your question (is the nightly rate appropriate) is not the 'only' question - it is perfectly reasonable of the Op to ask why he is not receiving the same pro-rata status for the days spent over a month, when previously he did.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Centigrade32 said:

 

I fail to see any "reasons" there. I see just your opinion. But it appears that you believe that you opinion is more valid than anyone else's. There can be no other reason for your rude behaviour throughout.

 

The accommodation business also has monthly and weekly rates. If I stayed a month and a week, I would expect to be charged, at the very least, the monthly rate and then the weekly rate, but best of all would be Pro-rata, since I would already be staying more than a month, which is the whole point that appears to escape your reasoning.

 

Monthly rates are cheaper due to one staying for a longer term and often do not include electricity and water charges. Better to keep your customers happy, than to snatch a short term gain. I didn't ever stay at that place again after they charged me a daily rate for an extra two days. That's 45k a month they missed out on and I rarely see that suite occupied.

 

That's the no-brainer that you are missing. You can think that you are right and have no customers or you can keep the customers that you have and perhaps get even more recommendations. 

 

Enjoy your day.

 

Exactly - Perfectly explained....    

 

 

 

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