Russia Dismisses Proposed Peace Deal from Trump Transition Team

[Social Media]

 

Russia has firmly rejected peace proposals reportedly being considered by President-elect Donald Trump’s team to resolve the ongoing war in Ukraine. Speaking at a press conference, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov expressed dismay over suggestions that Ukraine’s NATO membership could be postponed or that European peacekeeping forces might be deployed within the country.  

 

Lavrov pointed to leaks and Trump’s December 12 interview with *Time* magazine as indicators of the incoming administration’s intentions. “Judging from numerous leaks and Donald Trump’s interview... their idea is to suspend hostilities along the line of contact and transfer responsibility for confrontation with Russia to the Europeans,” Lavrov stated. He criticized proposals that would delay Ukraine’s NATO membership for 20 years, calling them unacceptable.  

 

The Russian foreign minister made it clear that Moscow opposes any scenario that keeps the prospect of Ukraine joining NATO alive. “We are not happy, of course, with the proposals made by members of the Trump team to postpone Ukraine’s admission to NATO... and to station British and European peacekeeping forces in Ukraine,” Lavrov said. He reiterated Moscow’s stance that Ukraine’s NATO membership is non-negotiable, irrespective of territorial considerations.  

 

Although Trump declined to provide specific details about his plans for Ukraine during the *Time* interview, he did emphasize his commitment to supporting the country. Reports suggest the Trump transition team has been exploring a strategy involving European troops in Ukraine and delaying Kyiv’s NATO aspirations. Retired Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg, expected to serve as Trump’s special envoy to Ukraine, has proposed leveraging military aid to Kyiv and threatening an increase in weaponry to pressure both sides into negotiations.  

 

Lavrov dismissed these ideas as untenable and warned that any effort by Trump to engage Moscow would face resistance. “Even if he tries to relaunch bilateral ties, he will have to swim against the stream,” Lavrov remarked.  

 

The Institute for the Study of War (ISW), a U.S.-based think tank, characterized Lavrov’s comments as reflective of Russia’s intransigence on negotiations. The ISW noted that Moscow’s demands remain rigid, including forcing Ukraine into permanent neutrality, significantly downsizing its military, and removing its current government. “These demands,” the ISW stated, “leave little room for compromise and underscore the challenges Trump will face in fulfilling his campaign pledge to end the war in Ukraine.”  

 

With Russia’s unwavering stance and its insistence on rejecting any compromises that undermine President Vladimir Putin’s objectives, Trump and his team are poised to face significant obstacles in crafting a viable path to peace.

 

Based on a report by NYP 2024-01-02

 

 

 

[neeray]

But wait. I recall Trump while campaigning, saying that he would end the war in something like 24 hours after taking control of the White House once again. Oh well, I guess that bold statement is akin to his now failed promise to lower food prices. Many of us knew that he was just blowing smoke out his rear to garner votes. Stinky but it seems to have worked.

[mdr224]

Russia isnt in a strong position to dictate terms currently. I think dont give them what they want

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, neeray said:

But wait. I recall Trump while campaigning, saying that he would end the war in something like 24 hours after taking control of the White House once again. Oh well, I guess that bold statement is akin to his now failed promise to lower food prices. Many of us knew that he was just blowing smoke out his rear to garner votes. Stinky but it seems to have worked.

Yeah his voters are suckers and marks. Except for the billionaires. They won bigly.

[Jingthing]

Just now, mdr224 said:

Russia isnt in a strong position to dictate terms currently. I think dont give them what they want

That's very true. But neither is Ukraine especially with weakened support from Trump and a less than unified Europe. Both sides are reaching a breaking point probably sometime this year. The outcome as far as the war remains very uncertain. 

[Paul Henry]

With all the BS  Trump said he was going to do on day one he may have to legislate that after his inaugeration a day will now be equal to four years. A classic sign of dementia is memory lapse Trump can't remamber what he said and to whom. A liar must have a good memory.

[portisaacozzy]

1 hour ago, mdr224 said:

Russia isnt in a strong position to dictate terms currently. I think dont give them what they want

Russia is in a very very strong p0sition, Russia could loose another 100000 troops and stil able to replace them.Wake up !

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, portisaacozzy said:

Russia is in a very very strong p0sition, Russia could loose another 100000 troops and stil able to replace them.Wake up !

To get those troops he'll have to bribe them even more which they can't afford or mobilize from Moscow and St. Petersburg which would make him even more vulnerable to internal overthrow. 

[mokwit]

1 hour ago, mdr224 said:

Russia isnt in a strong position to dictate terms currently. I think dont give them what they want

In fairness they have managed to hold out so far apparently with flat tyres on their vehicles, rotten food rations, no artillery shells and virtually no tanks left for months and months [according to Ukranian/Western propaganda] so we should perhaps not underestimate them based on one sided propaganda.

 

Meanwhile the Ukranian army has been decimated in a war of attrition that was about just that, attrition. That's how Russia prosecutes a war. Remember when Ukraine was "winning", but somehow it still hasn't won. Why Ukraine chose Kursk as it's hill to die on is baffling, the Russians have something of a track record in fighting a battle there.

 

Note: The above is an observation, not a defence of Russia's actions, so please all spare me the emotional Slava Ukraini replies.

 

 

[Lacessit]

22 minutes ago, portisaacozzy said:

Russia is in a very very strong p0sition, Russia could loose another 100000 troops and stil able to replace them.Wake up !

Really. The Russian economy is a basket case, with the official bank interest rate at 21%. The ruble has lost 40% of its value since the war began.

 

You need to wake up yourself, tovarisch.

[mokwit]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah his voters are suckers and marks. Except for the billionaires. They won bigly.

Doesn't that sentence apply just as much to the Biden voters as Trump voters?

[bkk6060]

 

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah his voters are suckers and marks. Except for the billionaires. They won bigly.

I bet it goes on for awhile.

 

Actually the people who donated a billion to Kamala that she spent to lose seem like the suckers.  Add, all the millions she gave to rich celebrities.   What a waste.

[newbee2022]

5 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

Russia has firmly rejected peace proposals reportedly being considered by President-elect Donald Trump’s team to resolve the ongoing war in Ukraine. Speaking at a press conference, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov expressed dismay over suggestions that Ukraine’s NATO membership could be postponed or that European peacekeeping forces might be deployed within the country.  

 

Lavrov pointed to leaks and Trump’s December 12 interview with *Time* magazine as indicators of the incoming administration’s intentions. “Judging from numerous leaks and Donald Trump’s interview... their idea is to suspend hostilities along the line of contact and transfer responsibility for confrontation with Russia to the Europeans,” Lavrov stated. He criticized proposals that would delay Ukraine’s NATO membership for 20 years, calling them unacceptable.  

 

 

The Russian foreign minister made it clear that Moscow opposes any scenario that keeps the prospect of Ukraine joining NATO alive. “We are not happy, of course, with the proposals made by members of the Trump team to postpone Ukraine’s admission to NATO... and to station British and European peacekeeping forces in Ukraine,” Lavrov said. He reiterated Moscow’s stance that Ukraine’s NATO membership is non-negotiable, irrespective of territorial considerations.  

 

Although Trump declined to provide specific details about his plans for Ukraine during the *Time* interview, he did emphasize his commitment to supporting the country. Reports suggest the Trump transition team has been exploring a strategy involving European troops in Ukraine and delaying Kyiv’s NATO aspirations. Retired Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg, expected to serve as Trump’s special envoy to Ukraine, has proposed leveraging military aid to Kyiv and threatening an increase in weaponry to pressure both sides into negotiations.  

 

Lavrov dismissed these ideas as untenable and warned that any effort by Trump to engage Moscow would face resistance. “Even if he tries to relaunch bilateral ties, he will have to swim against the stream,” Lavrov remarked.  

 

The Institute for the Study of War (ISW), a U.S.-based think tank, characterized Lavrov’s comments as reflective of Russia’s intransigence on negotiations. The ISW noted that Moscow’s demands remain rigid, including forcing Ukraine into permanent neutrality, significantly downsizing its military, and removing its current government. “These demands,” the ISW stated, “leave little room for compromise and underscore the challenges Trump will face in fulfilling his campaign pledge to end the war in Ukraine.”  

 

With Russia’s unwavering stance and its insistence on rejecting any compromises that undermine President Vladimir Putin’s objectives, Trump and his team are poised to face significant obstacles in crafting a viable path to peace.

 

Based on a report by NYP 2024-01-02

 

 

 

Now I'm puzzled. Donald promised he would end the war within 24 hrs. Do we have to wait until he's president? So next week  the war ends? 

But what, if not? Will he tell the world that he failed? And go back to Florida and we can have new elections? Will he admit he got only a senile big mouth? Producing only hot air? 

[gargamon]

46 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Really. The Russian economy is a basket case, with the official bank interest rate at 21%. The ruble has lost 40% of its value since the war began.

 

You need to wake up yourself, tovarisch.

What you say conflicts with what they are saying on RT. Clearly you must be incorrect.  😮

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Now I'm puzzled. Donald promised he would end the war within 24 hrs. Do we have to wait until he's president? So next week  the war ends? 

But what, if not? Will he tell the world that he failed? And go back to Florida and we can have new elections? Will he admit he got only a senile big mouth? Producing only hot air? 

If the war happens to end while Trump is President, he’ll count back 24hrs and then claim that’s when he intervened to stop it.

 

[Hakuna Matata]

2 hours ago, mdr224 said:

Russia isnt in a strong position to dictate terms currently. I think dont give them what they want

 

Are you sure?

[The Old Bull]

NATO should have been disbanded years ago it only gives the US a chance to interfere in European business. No western media outlet mentions the amount of support Russia has in the Ukraine. Most Ukrainians only care about how much cash they have in their pocket not who's picture is on it and will support whoever puts the most in their pocket.

[Lacessit]

55 minutes ago, gargamon said:

What you say conflicts with what they are saying on RT. Clearly you must be incorrect.  😮

What they say on Russian TV reminds me of Hitchen's razor.

 

" What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".

[Lacessit]

22 minutes ago, The Old Bull said:

NATO should have been disbanded years ago it only gives the US a chance to interfere in European business. No western media outlet mentions the amount of support Russia has in the Ukraine. Most Ukrainians only care about how much cash they have in their pocket not who's picture is on it and will support whoever puts the most in their pocket.

The support in Eastern Ukraine comes from Russians who were transplanted there by Stalin, after he killed off about 6 million Ukrainians in the 1932 Holodomor.

Putin did the same thing in Crimea after invading in 2014.

Why do you think Ukrainians are fighting so hard? Answer - they know Putin wants to finish what Stalin started.

[Hamus Yaigh]

2 hours ago, portisaacozzy said:

Russia is in a very very strong p0sition, Russia could loose another 100000 troops and stil able to replace them.Wake up !

This is of course utterly absurd.

 

While it's true that Russia's military forces are sizable, the idea that they could afford to lose 100,000 troops and still be able to replace them is extremely unlikely. Even Russia, with its huge population and conscription policies, would struggle to sustain such losses without significant impact on the country's economy and morale.

 

History suggests that dictatorships like Putins are inherently unstable and often fail in the long run. There are many factors at play, including: Economic instability, corruption and human rights abuses.

 

There can only be one outcome to Putin's folly.

 

[spidermike007]

One day. It will take me one day to end the war in Ukraine. 

 

At a CNN town hall in May 2023, Trump said: “They’re dying, Russians and Ukrainians. I want them to stop dying. And I’ll have that done — I’ll have that done in 24 hours.” He said that would happen after he met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Russian President Vladimir Putin. And he keeps repeating the claim on the campaign trail.

[frank83628]

28 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

What they say on Russian TV reminds me of Hitchen's razor.

 

" What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".

Remember when all your western propaganda was telling you Ukriane  was winning?

[stevenl]

10 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Remember when all your western propaganda was telling you Ukriane  was winning?

I remember when your Russian propaganda was telling you Russia was winning. The result is a collapsed economy and no progress in Ukraine.

[Lacessit]

6 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I remember when your Russian propaganda was telling you Russia was winning. The result is a collapsed economy and no progress in Ukraine.

It's true the Russians have made some progress recently, at horrendous cost.

 

15,000 Russians were killed in Afghanistan over the space of 9 years, which resulted in the downfall of the Soviet Union. The current butcher's bill dwarfs that in only 3 years.

 

Now we have the Russian Federation, where Putin is drawing troops from satellites. He has shied away from conscription in Moscow and St. Petersburg.

 

History repeats itself.

[Gandtee]

4 hours ago, neeray said:

But wait. I recall Trump while campaigning, saying that he would end the war in something like 24 hours after taking control of the White House once again. Oh well, I guess that bold statement is akin to his now failed promise to lower food prices. Many of us knew that he was just blowing smoke out his rear to garner votes. Stinky but it seems to have worked.

Typical Trump. 'I've heard ducks fart before' as my old mum used to say.

[neeray]

On January 21, I expect to hear an announcement that the Russian war on Ukraine has ended. Heck, I'll be generous and even give him to January 31.

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

I remember when your Russian propaganda was telling you Russia was winning. The result is a collapsed economy and no progress in Ukraine.

So Russia hasn't taken the disputed land in the east then?

 

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

I remember when your Russian propaganda was telling you Russia was winning. The result is a collapsed economy and no progress in Ukraine.

I thought there  is progress in Ukraine. 

[newbee2022]

5 hours ago, mdr224 said:

Russia isnt in a strong position to dictate terms currently. I think dont give them what they want

What make you think that Russia isn't in a strong position?

They got the Crimea, they got the Donbass, they sell their oil and gas.

And you tell me, they're not strong?

[Neeranam]

3 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Now I'm puzzled. Donald promised he would end the war within 24 hrs. Do we have to wait until he's president? So next week  the war ends? 

But what, if not? Will he tell the world that he failed? And go back to Florida and we can have new elections? Will he admit he got only a senile big mouth? Producing only hot air? 

Yes said 24 hours once he became president. 

The war would be started if he had been president instead of senile ol Joe, who didn't even know what day it was. 

Are you one of the deniers that he is unfit?