2 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Like HPV. It is not appropriate for me. It would not hurt me, but it would not be helpful either. As for the rest of this nonsense, you are delusional denying one of the most important medical developments ever. That you are here to spread this mess tells me that vaccines work.

All vaccines carry potential harm.

 

What harm depends on various factors. The overall robustness of the body. The effectiveness of the body's maintenance/immune system. The nature of the shot. The frequency of the shot. The age of the recipient. Whether the recipient has underlying problems. There are others; too complicated for this thread. Perhaps another.

 

But!! All in all. You roll up yer sleeve and yer gets no more choice. In the lap of the gods from then on. The only way to stay free from vax harm is not to have one. In saying that; there are ways of eliminating toxins from the body. Will not see that stuff on the CDC www.

9 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Like HPV. It is not appropriate for me. It would not hurt me, but it would not be helpful either. As for the rest of this nonsense, you are delusional denying one of the most important medical developments ever. That you are here to spread this mess tells me that vaccines work.

Let me remind you that the mRNA gen-therapy which you tout as 'one of the most important medical developments ever' still has to prove its value.  It was always contestated and decades of experimentation didn't result in any breakthroughs, as the adverse effects always wiped out the 'promise' of this miracle cure.  But Operation Warpspeed led to injecting these experimental gen-therapy shots in billions of people.  A totally reckless irresponsible approach to trick your immune system in producing a toxic spike-protein (with no shut-down mechanism) and without any consideration for the warnings from real experts about the medium and long-term consequences.  

It's akin to the now completely discarded 'lobotomy' procedure, which at the time was heralded as significant progress in treating mental conditions.  Antonio Moniz in 1949 even got the Nobel-prize for his work in researching and promoting that 'breakthrough', which basically reduced the patients that were treated with that procedure to emotion-ridden vegetables.  

 

Just now, Red Phoenix said:

Let me remind you that the mRNA gen-therapy which you tout as 'one of the most important medical developments ever' still has to prove its value.  It was always contestated and decades of experimentation didn't result in any breakthroughs, as the adverse effects always wiped out the 'promise' of this miracle cure.  But Operation Warpspeed led to injecting these experimental gen-therapy shots in billions of people.  A totally reckless irresponsible approach to trick your immune system in producing a toxic spike-protein (with no shut-down mechanism) and without any consideration for the warnings from real experts about the medium and long-term consequences.  

It's akin to the now completely discarded 'lobotomy' procedure, which at the time was heralded as significant progress in treating mental conditions.  Antonio Moniz in 1949 even got the Nobel-prize for his work in researching and promoting that 'breakthrough', which basically reduced the patients that were treated with that procedure to emotion-ridden vegetables.  

 

I was referring to vaccines in general, but the MRNA technology may be a game changer. The only thing reckless is ignoring science.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I can also see that happening...  (If they can be combined of course, as with the DTP/DTaP/Tdap vaccines).

 

I can actually understand 'some' of the reticence towards taking the Covid-19 vaccines, partially due to the speed with which they were produced which has fuelled social media conspiracy and thus fuelled concern.

 

One of the aspects of the Covid-19 vaccines (at least the 3 different types I had), was the 'dead arm' - I've never encountered that with any other vaccines - but, it is my understand that these vaccines are designed to are designed to elicit a stronger immune response, which initially manifests itself locally, its a sign the vaccine is working - but its great fuel for the anti-Covid-vaxxers.

 

But, that aside, there is another more worrying facet to this discussion which is not just about Anti-Covid Vaccines, but actually is about Anti-all vaccines... It is this level of delusional denial thats worrying.

 

 

 

 

Unvaccinated people are and were 3-4 times more likely to die of COVID. Unvaccinated people are and were 6-7 times more likely to be clogging up ICU's, and requiring intubation, to keep them alive. Vaccinated people are 60% less likely to experience symptoms lasting more than 30 days after being infected.

 

People no longer dispute the statistic that says smokers are 20 times more likely to die of lung cancer than non-smokers. Perhaps that kind of ratio is required to convince the anti-vaxxers.

 

Getting even broader in scope, it's the level of anti-science which is exhibited on social media, and the denial of basic statistics, which is worrying. We seem determined to regress to ignorance.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

We seem determined to regress to ignorance.

 

Indeed...   I'm astonished at the extreme level of ignorance. 

 

I understand the detest for 'Big Pharma' and the profits they make, I find the whole industry corrupt. But, this is not a binary issue, there is an extreme degree of good performed by Big Pharma and the research they carry it, its a shame there are also negatives based around profits, but the net positive for the health of society on a whole is huge. 

 

The anti-vax debate is simply bonkers - those very same people who would very likely not be here without vaccines are arguing against them.

 

I have yet to hear an argument from an Anti-Vaxxer who has never had a vaccine in their life - most likely because without vaccines, their life expectancy would be significantly reduced due to the higher risk of severe, often fatal, vaccine-preventable diseases, especially in childhood...  

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Unvaccinated people are and were 3-4 times more likely to die of COVID. Unvaccinated people are and were 6-7 times more likely to be clogging up ICU's, and requiring intubation, to keep them alive. Vaccinated people are 60% less likely to experience symptoms lasting more than 30 days after being infected.

Worst post on the topic. Just monumental hogwash.

 

''Unvaccinated people are and were 3-4 times more likely to die of COVID.''

Simply not so.

 

''Unvaccinated people are and were 6-7 times more likely to be clogging up ICU's, and requiring intubation, to keep them alive.'' I've got my ear to the ground. and have my info sources in England. What you stated is This is simply not the case.

 

''Vaccinated people are 60% less likely to experience symptoms lasting more than 30 days after being infected.'' This is not true Sir.

 

Infected with what exactly? Covid is the same as flu in that it exhibits symptoms that are similar. The symptoms are good to have. It is through these symptoms, that the body eliminates the source of the problem.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Worst post on the topic. Just monumental hogwash.

 

''Unvaccinated people are and were 3-4 times more likely to die of COVID.''

Simply not so.

 

''Unvaccinated people are and were 6-7 times more likely to be clogging up ICU's, and requiring intubation, to keep them alive.'' I've got my ear to the ground. and have my info sources in England. What you stated is This is simply not the case.

 

''Vaccinated people are 60% less likely to experience symptoms lasting more than 30 days after being infected.'' This is not true Sir.

 

Infected with what exactly? Covid is the same as flu in that it exhibits symptoms that are similar. The symptoms are good to have. It is through these symptoms, that the body eliminates the source of the problem.

Easy to see why you believe the anti-vax nonsense. You are not dealing in facts.

2 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Easy to see why you believe the anti-vax nonsense. You are not dealing in facts.

The 'facts' quoted are just numbers made up.

 

On these type of topics I ask the fundamental question; 'Is it true.' My research down the years says to me that certain 'sciences' have been hi-jacked by people, that have to perpetually lay lie upon lie to stop their original theories falling apart.

 

Have you any idea just how many billions have been paid out in fines by drug companies? These fines are built into the original pricing. Big money in getting, and keeping. people sick.

 

A well person is not a Big Pharma customer.

 

17 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Worst post on the topic. Just monumental hogwash.

 

''Unvaccinated people are and were 3-4 times more likely to die of COVID.''

Simply not so.

 

''Unvaccinated people are and were 6-7 times more likely to be clogging up ICU's, and requiring intubation, to keep them alive.'' I've got my ear to the ground. and have my info sources in England. What you stated is This is simply not the case.

 

''Vaccinated people are 60% less likely to experience symptoms lasting more than 30 days after being infected.'' This is not true Sir.

 

Infected with what exactly? Covid is the same as flu in that it exhibits symptoms that are similar. The symptoms are good to have. It is through these symptoms, that the body eliminates the source of the problem.

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Easy to see why you believe the anti-vax nonsense. You are not dealing in facts.

A person who denies the existence of viruses, despite evidence from a SEM, is clearly not sane.

 

You are posting opinions, with no facts to back them up.

 

Goodbye, SFB. I don't waste my time on people like you.

8 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

 

A person who denies the existence of viruses, despite evidence from a SEM, is clearly not sane.

 

You are posting opinions, with no facts to back them up.

 

Goodbye, SFB. I don't waste my time on people like you.

Mr Smith posted some links earlier. Not once did their methodology show an isolated virus. The first alleged 'viruses' were actually from the tobacco plant. Some 130 years ago. Do read the paper if you want to know more.

 

Nature is not opinion Sir. It is here and now. And you are a part of it.

 

The people you are championing have no interest in helping anyone get well, and stay that way. just want to keep their bank balances healthy.

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Unvaccinated people are and were 3-4 times more likely to die of COVID. Unvaccinated people are and were 6-7 times more likely to be clogging up ICU's, and requiring intubation, to keep them alive.

If that were true, then the CDC wouldn’t have stopped reporting the vaccination status of those who were either hospitalized or died.  
 

They only did so when it became apparent….or should I say obvious that more vaccinated people (proportionally) were being admitted to the hospital/dying and their own statistical reporting started to go against the narrative.

 

Oops!

 

But when we filthy, despicable unvaccinated ignoramuses pointed that out, out posts were quickly deleted.

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

A person who denies the existence of viruses, despite evidence from a SEM, is clearly not sane.

You are posting opinions, with no facts to back them up.

Goodbye, SFB. I don't waste my time on people like you.

TBH Lacessit, i don't blame you for leaving the thread. Along with a couple of others, you are hard left on the Vaccine issue. I'm far right. The middle ground is for those who are undecided.

 

Red's thread is really for those on the fence; who could go one way or t'other, if they need to make a choice. I trust the postings, from both sides, have helped them for the future.

5 minutes ago, Airalee said:

If that were true, then the CDC wouldn’t have stopped reporting the vaccination status of those who were either hospitalized or died.  
 

They only did so when it became apparent….or should I say obvious that more vaccinated people (proportionally) were being admitted to the hospital/dying and their own statistical reporting started to go against the narrative.

 

Oops!

 

But when we filthy, despicable unvaccinated ignoramuses pointed that out, out posts were quickly deleted.

The CDC stopped reporting cases of mild and asymptomatic COVID cases on its website.  It continues to monitor breakthrough infections resulting in hospital admissions and death.

 

My comment on ICU admissions is independent of the CDC. It's Australian data.

 

The number of unvaccinated people is declining. It's logical hospital admissions of unvaccinated people would also decline.

 

But then, logic is not usually a strong suit of conspiracy theorists.

 

Don't worry, RFK will sort it all out for you.

31 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The CDC stopped reporting cases of mild and asymptomatic COVID cases on its website.  It continues to monitor breakthrough infections resulting in hospital admissions and death.

 

My comment on ICU admissions is independent of the CDC. It's Australian data.

 

The number of unvaccinated people is declining. It's logical hospital admissions of unvaccinated people would also decline.

 

But then, logic is not usually a strong suit of conspiracy theorists.

 

Don't worry, RFK will sort it all out for you.

I understand that reading comprehension isn’t your forte but if you go back to my post….and read sloooowly….you’ll see that I used the word “proportionally”.  
 

It’s a big word but I promise that it’s in the dictionary.

 

Don’t worry, Hooked on Phonics is still in business and you can get started today for just one dollar!

38 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

TBH Lacessit, i don't blame you for leaving the thread. Along with a couple of others, you are hard left on the Vaccine issue. I'm far right. The middle ground is for those who are undecided.

 

Red's thread is really for those on the fence; who could go one way or t'other, if they need to make a choice. I trust the postings, from both sides, have helped them for the future.

Every person who stomps their feet and says “I’m done with you!!” ultimately comes back.

 

After their blood pressure goes down.

 

They’re gluttons for punishment, in addition to food.

2 minutes ago, Airalee said:

I understand that reading comprehension isn’t your forte but if you go back to my post….and read sloooowly….you’ll see that I used the word “proportionally”.  
 

It’s a big word but I promise that it’s in the dictionary.

 

Don’t worry, Hooked on Phonics is still in business and you can get started today for just one dollar!

Here's a word for you. Coprophagocyte. I promise it's in the dictionary too.

Just now, Lacessit said:

Here's a word for you. Coprophagocyte. I promise it's in the dictionary too.

Ooooh….is that one of those five dollar words?  Can you write it all with one crayon?

5 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Ooooh….is that one of those five dollar words?  Can you write it all with one crayon?

Yes. I run out of crayon for floccinaucinihilipilification, which applies to your posts.

26 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Yes. I run out of crayon for floccinaucinihilipilification, which applies to your posts.

I’ll bet you won a spelling bee once.

 

 

37 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Yes. I run out of crayon for floccinaucinihilipilification, which applies to your posts.

 

You're setting off my Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia.... 

12 minutes ago, Airalee said:

I’ll bet you won a spelling bee once.

 

 

I've won more than spelling bees.

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

You're setting off my Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia.... 

I surrender.....

 

🏳️

On 1/7/2025 at 6:36 PM, Stiddle Mump said:

The people you are championing have no interest in helping anyone get well, and stay that way

I wonder why you are so certain of your ability to discern the motives of many thousands of people you've never met.  You unnecessarily assail those who hold your twisted notions about science in low esteem.

17 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

I wonder why you are so certain of your ability to discern the motives of many thousands of people you've never met.  You unnecessarily assail those who hold your twisted notions about science in low esteem.

Twisted notions eh Sir.

 

You would think that with all the science; all the technology; all the medicines; top white-coats; all the medicines and all the vaccinations, the US would be as fit as a fiddle, Instead they are the sick country of the world.

 

''You unnecessarily assail those who hold your twisted notions about science in low esteem.'' I've mingled with many of these white-coats. Most need re-educating.

 

Nature has all the answers. These white-coats should go for a walk in the forest. They might learn something.