Buying a Dog

[steven100]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[StillCurious]

20 minutes ago, proton said:

 

The topic is about mutts, not people

All dogs can be trained, even if it's hard. With the right training and love, they can be like a German Shepherd.

[fredwiggy]

2 hours ago, proton said:

 

You cannot train aggression out of them it's in their DNA, any more than you can train a poodle to be a sheep dog. Pit Bulls top the list for serious attacks and deaths, they are all dangerous animals.

I'll say this again, through another's viewpoint. No dogs are aggressive by Dna.No, aggression in dogs is not a breed characteristic, and genetics are not the only factor that influences a dog's behavior:

Genetics and environment

A dog's behavior is a complex interaction between genetics and environmental factors....

Breed alone is not a reliable predictor

Breed alone is not a reliable predictor of a dog's behavioral tendencies, including aggression...

Pit bulls are generally well-tempered

According to the American Temperament Test Society (ATTS), pit bulls are among the most tolerant breeds and score higher on temperament tests than other dogs.....

All dogs can be aggressive

All dogs, regardless of breed or size, are capable of dog attacks and causing serious injury. ...............Again, any dog can be aggressive, vicious and capable of hurting humans. Some have the strength, like Pits, Shepherds, Dobermans, Rottweilers and Huskies, to kill. To the OP, I'm guessing you like Pits because of prior experience with them. You have to train the dog to be gentle with everyone, right from birth. You let them think they are the boss, or let them get away with any aggressive behavior, they can turn on you or anyone, and like some have said, they can cause a lot of damage very quickly. Abusing any animals can have it turn on you or others, but that's a given. If you just want a dog, and aren't looking at just a Pit, there are breeds that are easier to take care of with less training that don't have the ability to harm others so much. Another viewpoint..............https://skepchick.org/2022/05/study-are-pit-bulls-genetically-predisposed-to-violence/

 

 

 

 

 

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[KannikaP]

19 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

People are scared when he walks them, but they never harmed anyone.

Not yet.

[fredwiggy]

12 minutes ago, StillCurious said:

All dogs can be trained, even if it's hard. With the right training and love, they can be like a German Shepherd.

This is another's view on the dogs.................................................,A good owner does understand this. A good owner should have done extensive research into whatever type of dog they are getting. The problem is people aren’t responsible. Even worse, some people get certain breeds because they want a vicious dog and they raise and even encourage it. That’s the main reason APBTs, in my opinion, get a bad rap. Bad owners take the traits of an APBT and enhance them to create a dog that is unstable and dangerous. These people shouldn’t own any dog imo. On the flip side though, most people don’t truly understand the breed. They are simply going off what the media tells them or going off of a single story they’ve herd. The truth is, an APBT is one of the best family companion dog breeds on the planet. In the hands of a responsible loving owner, an APBT will thrive. They were not selectively bred to be human aggressive. They were bred to be animal aggressive. These are two totally different things. The fact is, 99 out of 100 APBTs are extremely social and love humans. This is why they are terrible guard dogs. Because they are more likely to lick a stranger to death than attack them. This is the truth that most people don’t understand. Most people are very ignorant and simply listen to all the stories they’ve herd. This is a huge problem with our society. We hear the news and then generalize the statement across the board without having any knowledge or experience on the topic. It’s very concerning considering that some people are willing to exterminate an entire breed of dog based on prejudice. The fact is that way less than 1% of pitbulls attack. The bigger issue at hand is the lack of leadership from the owner. Some owners suck and should never own any dog. Others just don’t know what dog they are getting and don’t know what they are doing. If a person like this gets a real APBT and then let’s their dog go to the dog park, what do you think will happen? It comes down to people need to be more educated and responsible with their dogs. Know what breed you’re getting and even more important, know the particular dogs temperament.

[KannikaP]

20 hours ago, StillCurious said:

I currently reside in Thailand and have made the decision to get a dog, specifically a Pitbull (doesn't have to be purebred). However, I’m unsure about where to begin my search.

Start your search in any country where these dangerous animals are banned/illegal.

[KannikaP]

20 hours ago, StillCurious said:

I currently reside in Thailand and have made the decision to get a dog, specifically a Pitbull (doesn't have to be purebred). However, I’m unsure about where to begin my search.

Come on, we are all still curious as to what prompted your decision to get a Pitbull type animal.

[Kinok Farang]

46 minutes ago, StillCurious said:

1. I never paid attention to any of that stuff until now that I've decided I want to add someone to my life

 

2. I’m half Thai and is a citizen of Thailand

I is a citizen of the UK,pleased to meet you.

[steven100]

11 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

Not yet.

the best comment you've made today 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

20 hours ago, StillCurious said:

I currently reside in Thailand and have made the decision to get a dog, specifically a Pitbull (doesn't have to be purebred)

 

Do you have lots of tattoos and a small todger ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

 

[StillCurious]

7 minutes ago, Kinok Farang said:

I is a citizen of the UK,pleased to meet you.

Typo

[richard_smith237]

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I'll say this again, through another's viewpoint. No dogs are aggressive by Dna.No, aggression in dogs is not a breed characteristic, and genetics are not the only factor that influences a dog's behavior:

 

But the statistic show they are a strong indicator, particularly where risk is concerned. 

 

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Genetics and environment

A dog's behavior is a complex interaction between genetics and environmental factors....

 

Agreed - Genetics through breeding - genetically pre-disposed to certain instinctual and behavioural patters which require a strong effective training environment to counteract.

 

 

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Breed alone is not a reliable predictor

Breed alone is not a reliable predictor of a dog's behavioral tendencies, including aggression...

 

Disagree - certain breeds are bred specifically for their aggression, others are naturally more aggressive.

The combination of aggression and power is a specific trait of these dogs, whereas the nastly little b@stard Chihuahuas are naturally aggressive, but lack the power to be deadly.

 

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Pit bulls are generally well-tempered

According to the American Temperament Test Society (ATTS), pit bulls are among the most tolerant breeds and score higher on temperament tests than other dogs.....

 

Until they are not - and stats show they attack more with more devastating impact that most other breeds.

But, I'd accept that extremely well trained PitBulls are very tolerant and have an excellent temperament - until they don't.

 

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

All dogs can be aggressive

All dogs, regardless of breed or size, are capable of dog attacks and causing serious injury. ...............Again, any dog can be aggressive, vicious and capable of hurting humans. Some have the strength, like Pits, Shepherds, Dobermans, Rottweilers and Huskies, to kill. 

 

100% agree with this... The best dog owners are the ones who are well aware that their dog can always presents a risk, especially to small children etc... 

 

The worst dog owners are the ones who are likely to say "oh he's harmless, he'll lick you to death"... 

 

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Has anyone ever called their PitBill a name such as bubbles, Snowey, Angel, or CupCake ???...    i.e. names other than Shreder, Tyson, Razor, Blaze, Fang etc...   (names associated with power, aggression and violence) 

 

 

 

[StillCurious]

9 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

Come on, we are all still curious as to what prompted your decision to get a Pitbull type animal.

I find them to be nice-looking dogs, and I had a friend who owned a Pitbull that was friendly, unlike the few Pitbulls who happen to have an irresponsible owner and get a bad rep because of it

[fredwiggy]

Just now, richard_smith237 said:

 

But the statistic show they are a strong indicator, particularly where risk is concerned. 

 

 

Agreed - Genetics through breeding - genetically pre-disposed to certain instinctual and behavioural patters which require a strong effective training environment to counteract.

 

 

 

Disagree - certain breeds are bred specifically for their aggression, others are naturally more aggressive.

The combination of aggression and power is a specific trait of these dogs, whereas the nastly little b@stard Chihuahuas are naturally aggressive, but lack the power to be deadly.

 

 

Until they are not - and stats show they attack more with more devastating impact that most other breeds.

But, I'd accept that extremely well trained PitBulls are very tolerant and have an excellent temperament - until they don't.

 

 

100% agree with this... The best dog owners are the ones who are well aware that their dog can always presents a risk, especially to small children etc... 

 

The worst dog owners are the ones who are likely to say "oh he's harmless, he'll lick you to death"... 

 

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Has anyone ever called their PitBill a name such as bubbles, Snowey, Angel, or CupCake ???...    i.e. names other than Shreder, Tyson, Razor, Blaze, Fang etc...   (names associated with power, aggression and violence) 

 

 

 

Pits were originally bred for aggression, against other animals, not humans. People have used this to cause problems these times because of this past knowledge. The breed is a very strong breed and people use this for dog fights and ego . Training a breed this strong to be dangerous is plain ignorance, because they can turn on you and others in your family. Again, this can happen in any dogs trained to be aggressive or abused. They are a very strong dog breed and people need to take this into account, just as they should with any breed that's strong and capable of a damaging bite.

[steven100]

1 minute ago, StillCurious said:

I find them to be nice-looking dogs, and I had a friend who owned a Pitbull that was friendly, unlike the few Pitbulls who happen to have an irresponsible owner and get a bad rep because of it

I've heard Pitbull's called many things,   nice-looking wasn't one of them.   

[chickenslegs]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Has anyone ever called their PitBill a name such as bubbles, Snowey, Angel, or CupCake ???...    i.e. names other than Shreder, Tyson, Razor, Blaze, Fang etc...   (names associated with power, aggression and violence)

The name of the American Pit Bull Terrier dog on the TV show Dog Whisperer with Cesar Millan was Daddy:

 

Millan later selected a pit bull puppy named Junior to be Daddy's protégé. Junior was intended to learn Daddy's temperament and take over his role after Daddy's death. However, Junior was involved in several incidents, including: Killing Queen Latifah's dog, Biting a gymnast, Attacking a Florida nurse, and Being involved in an incident with a TV producer.

😄

[KannikaP]

9 minutes ago, StillCurious said:

I find them to be nice-looking dogs, and I had a friend who owned a Pitbull that was friendly, unlike the few Pitbulls who happen to have an irresponsible owner and get a bad rep because of it

9 minutes ago, StillCurious said:

I find them to be nice-looking dogs, and I had a friend who owned a Pitbull that was friendly, unlike the few Pitbulls who happen to have an irresponsible owner and get a bad rep because of it

Could be a good idea to Google statistics globally for which breed of dog has killed the most people.

[StillCurious]

1 minute ago, KannikaP said:

Could be a good idea to Google statistics globally for which breed of dog has killed the most people.

Statistics.

 

What about the dog breeds that kill the most people in Thailand?

What about the pit bulls that didn't make it on that list because they have a responsible owner?

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, StillCurious said:

Statistics.

 

What about the dog breeds that kill the most people in Thailand?

What about the pit bulls that didn't make it on that list because they have a responsible owner?

As I mentioned earlier, any dog can be dangerous. The facts are still there though. Pits do account for more attacks and deaths than other breeds, and this correlates with how many are trained. If there weren't any pits, the Shepherds, Rottweilers, Dobermans, Huskies and others would be the ones doing the attacks. If everyone who owned a Pit would train them to be gentle, we wouldn't have the stats we do now. People are the main problem, followed by the strength of the dog breeds. People have asked you, why do you want a Pit anyway? Are you going to train the dog to be a well mannered, non aggressive pet or another reason?

[KannikaP]

4 minutes ago, StillCurious said:

Statistics.

 

What about the dog breeds that kill the most people in Thailand?

What about the pit bulls that didn't make it on that list because they have a responsible owner?

I am sure you will come up with lots of reasons why you should get a Pittbull despite all the data regarding killings. Where do you intend to live and keep this animal ?

As far away from other people, especially children or older people please.

[KannikaP]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

As I mentioned earlier, any dog can be dangerous. The facts are still there though. Pits do account for more attacks and deaths than other breeds, and this correlates with how many are trained. If there weren't any pits, the Shepherds, Rottweilers, Dobermans, Huskies and others would be the ones doing the attacks. If everyone who owned a Pit would train them to be gentle, we wouldn't have the stats we do now. People are the main problem, followed by the strength of the dog breeds. People have asked you, why do you want a Pit anyway? Are you going to train the dog to be a well mannered, non aggressive pet or another reason?

And I hope Still Curious stays that way when his nice pet puppy is too strong for him to fend it off.

[connda]

21 hours ago, Ben Zioner said:

Troll

Thank you - you took the words right out of my mouth. This thread isn't even remotely for real.

[StillCurious]

5 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

I am sure you will come up with lots of reasons why you should get a Pittbull despite all the data regarding killings. Where do you intend to live and keep this animal ?

As far away from other people, especially children or older people please.

I live in the Kleang district of Rayong, I would intend to keep it in the house.

[StillCurious]

1 minute ago, connda said:

Thank you - you took the words right out of my mouth. This thread isn't even remotely for real.

How did you come to that conclusion?

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, StillCurious said:

How did you come to that conclusion?

We have a few trolls here that are only here to annoy or argue with others, and to bring up controversial subjects that lend to that outcome.

[fredwiggy]

5 minutes ago, StillCurious said:

I live in the Kleang district of Rayong, I would intend to keep it in the house.

There are specific reasons why some want this breed, and I'm sure a few here are curious as to why you do. Like I said, you really need to let the dog know who's boss, in a gentle, non abusive way, so it grows into a dog that won't attack others, and keeping it in the house is no guarantee because it can escape, and a dog that's not used to being around others, including children, and interacting in a gentle manner, might try to protect it's territory aggressively and cause damage.

[KannikaP]

9 minutes ago, StillCurious said:

I live in the Kleang district of Rayong, I would intend to keep it in the house.

And that is one of the main reasons a dog gets aggressive, by being kept indoors for too long. Get TWO like these of mine.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

2 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

And that is one of the main reasons a dog gets aggressive, by being kept indoors for too long. Get one like mine.

which one ?

 

 

[KannikaP]

3 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

which one ?

 

 

You got in there quickly, before I edited it to get TWO of these. Cheers.

[DrJack54]

14 hours ago, StillCurious said:

Pit bulls really shouldn't get a bad reputation because of how their owners train them.

You are one of those.

They are legal in USA. No surprise there.

Illegal in so many other countries.

For a good reason.

My guess is troll thread.

You want a pit bull then easy to find.