January 6, 2021 -- a day that will live in infamy

[Jingthing]

Never forget.

Never forgive.

Incoming soon to be convicted felon demagogue president elect Mr. Trump is actively trying to rewrite history.

That's what authoritarian leaders always do.

Don't let him get away with it.

 

 

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

To keep a sense of proportion and reality, we should compare the few hours of boistrous J6 protest with the lefts months long BLM deadly riots with much burning, looting and even capturing downtown city centers and setting up autonomous governing zones.

And then work out how it can be that some people find the former worse than the latter.

[Lacessit]

Disagree. The day that should live in infamy was when the world's most wealthy democracy elected a felon and sexual predator as its President.

 

Any other democracy would hang its head in shame.

[Flyguy330]

Infamy! Infamy! - they have it Infamy!

 

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Jingthing]

14 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

To keep a sense of proportion and reality, we should compare the few hours of boistrous J6 protest with the lefts months long BLM deadly riots with much burning, looting and even capturing downtown city centers and setting up autonomous governing zones.

And then work out how it can be that some people find the former worse than the latter.

Lame whataboutism.

Those riots had NOTHING to do with a concerted attempt by Mr. Trump which had been planned for several months to overthrow the results of a presidential election if he lost, which he did lose and still to this day insists that he won.

[Jingthing]

Just now, Lacessit said:

Disagree. The day that should live in infamy was when the world's most wealthy democracy elected a felon and sexual predator as its President.

 

Any other democracy would hang its head in shame.

You have a point.

Both dates would qualify. 

[Lacessit]

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You have a point.

Both dates would qualify. 

My point is on January 6, there were about 2000 -2500 people who violently disputed the election result.

 

On November 5, 50% of Americans who voted, acquiesced in electing Trump. 77 million of them.

 

On that day, America lost its mind and its soul.

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

My point is on January 6, there were about 2000 -2500 people who violently disputed the election result.

 

On November 5, 50% of Americans who voted, acquiesced in electing Trump. 77 million of them.

 

On that day, America lost its mind and its soul.

Under 50 percent actually. But close. 

[impulse]

January 6 itself won't live in infamy except in the minds of those with the syndrome.  The aftermath will rate up with (and possibly exceed) the infamy of McCarthyism for the injustices and the one sided prosecutions.

 

The senior fellow additionally cited the number of charges brought against attendees of the Jan. 6 attack compared to those not charged during the 2020 Black Lives Matter (BLM) riots.  

 

They didn’t tell us how many people were charged. It ended up [with] 1,500 felony charges. It was [an] almost 75% conviction rate. That never happens. Compare that with the 14,000 people that were arrested in 2020. Almost 90% of them were never charged or indicted. They were released. So there was a lot of things that they want to suppress.”  In 2020, BLM was linked to nine in 10 riots. The country experienced 637 riots between May 26, 2020, and September 12, 2020

 

“A lot of the things they said, Laura, were abject lies,” Hanson said. “There were not four officers killed. There were not 10 people killed. There was only one violent death, we think, and that was a Trump supporter, Ashli Babbitt

 

Victor Davis Hanson Explains Why He Believes FBI Is ‘Afraid’ Of Trump’s Return | The Daily Caller

 

[candide]

What a difference between the 2020 election and the 2024 election. In 2024, no fake claims of rigged election based on ridiculous conspiracy theories, no fraudulent alternate slates of electors, and no assault on the Capitol in an attempt to steal the election.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, candide said:

What a difference between the 2020 election and the 2024 election. In 2024, no fake claims of rigged election based on ridiculous conspiracy theories, no fraudulent alternate slates of electors, and no assault on the Capitol in an attempt to steal the election.

 

    No 10 million extra votes that appeared from nowhere as well 

[Hawaiian]

12 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Lame whataboutism.

Those riots had NOTHING to do with a concerted attempt by Mr. Trump which had been planned for several months to overthrow the results of a presidential election if he lost, which he did lose and still to this day insists that he won.

There is no doubt in many peoples' minds, including mine, that January 6, 2021 was a dark day in American history.  And there is no excuse for what happened, and there is also no excuse for the violent acts committed by BLM supporters.  Making comparisons is, IMO, senseless including motives behind the violence. 

This is what you are doing.  No justification for either, no matter the motives.

[bkk6060]

Even more infamy when he pardons all those who are in prison. 

[Jingthing]

15 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

There is no doubt in many peoples' minds, including mine, that January 6, 2021 was a dark day in American history.  And there is no excuse for what happened, and there is also no excuse for the violent acts committed by BLM supporters.  Making comparisons is, IMO, senseless including motives behind the violence. 

This is what you are doing.  No justification for either, no matter the motives.

 

I didn't say one word indicating there was any excuse for violence by BLM protesters. 

The maga fascists actually are the ones trying to act like January 6th was not significant because of the BLM protests, when they had NOTHING to do with each other.

[Jingthing]

14 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Even more infamy when he pardons all those who are in prison. 

Very much so.

We'll see what he does.

As we know by now "promises" by Mr. Trump are quite fluid when it comes to what he actually does.

[Jingthing]

7 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    No 10 million extra votes that appeared from nowhere as well 

More maga conspiracy theory garbage.

[Jingthing]

12 hours ago, Lacessit said:

My point is on January 6, there were about 2000 -2500 people who violently disputed the election result.

 

On November 5, 50% of Americans who voted, acquiesced in electing Trump. 77 million of them.

 

On that day, America lost its mind and its soul.

Again you make a serious point worth consideration.

I do think both dates are very historically significant but I can't rate the importance of one vs. the other.

Consider this. 

If Trump had lost in 2000, conceded the loss, and participated in the normal peaceful transfer of power, without the leadup and events of January 6th, his reelection to a second term would be notable as great political comeback for sure, but nothing like the severity of his  significantly successful washing away of January 6th.

 

[Yagoda]

The truth will out, and the filthy lies being peddled by the Socialists will be exposed again.

[norfolkandchance]

13 hours ago, Flyguy330 said:

Infamy! Infamy! - they have it Infamy!

 

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Kenneth Williams.

[atpeace]

13 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Disagree. The day that should live in infamy was when the world's most wealthy democracy elected a felon and sexual predator as its President.

 

Any other democracy would hang its head in shame.

Hmm,  it does seem like many other people in other democratic countries are celebrating Trump.  He is what you get when liberals  becomes out of touch with the average person. 

 

I look at it as an opportunity for liberals to correct their course and once again represent more of the average everyday grunt 🙂 Nothing wrong with also representing the elite but some rebalancing was needed.

[Lacessit]

16 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Hmm,  it does seem like many other people in other democratic countries are celebrating Trump.  He is what you get when liberals  becomes out of touch with the average person. 

 

I look at it as an opportunity for liberals to correct their course and once again represent more of the average everyday grunt 🙂 Nothing wrong with also representing the elite but some rebalancing was needed.

I take it you have heard of a cure being worse than the disease.

 

Trump promised a lot during his first term. A wall, a health care system. Containing debt. He achieved nothing. Played a lot of golf.

 

What makes you think he will do better in his second term, with advisers whose only qualification is absolute loyalty?

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

More maga conspiracy theory garbage.

 

  Wasn't there 10 million more votes in that election than normal ?

Biden got the highest number of votes ever in a USA election , 7 million more votes than the Harris /Dems got in the last election .

   There was an unprecedented extraordinary amount of votes in the 2020 election 

[atpeace]

19 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I take it you have heard of a cure being worse than the disease.

 

Trump promised a lot during his first term. A wall, a health care system. Containing debt. He achieved nothing. Played a lot of golf.

 

What makes you think he will do better in his second term, with advisers whose only qualification is absolute loyalty?

I think America accomplished as much as it usually does during his first term.  I think America will probably accomplish some things in his second term.  Not much to add other than that 🙂

[ElwoodP]

Personal attacks removed.

Please be polite and civil to other posters.

[Liverpool Lou]

14 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Disagree. The day that should live in infamy was when the world's most wealthy democracy elected a felon and sexual predator as its President.

When was he convicted of being a sexual predator or even accused/charged with being such?

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The maga fascists...

Who are they, exactly?

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

As we know by now "promises" by Mr. Trump are quite fluid when it comes to what he actually does.

...such as?

[Will B Good]

8 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

When was he convicted of being a sexual predator or even accused/charged with being such?

 

Not convicted.....but as close as you can get....

 

A federal jury found former President Donald Trump liable for sexually abusing E. Jean Carroll.

[Hawaiian]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

 

I didn't say one word indicating there was any excuse for violence by BLM protesters. 

The maga fascists actually are the ones trying to act like January 6th was not significant because of the BLM protests, when they had NOTHING to do with each other.

You are absolutely right.  Don't you ever get tired of using the word "facists"?

[Liverpool Lou]

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

11 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

When was he convicted of being a sexual predator or even accused/charged with being such?

 

Not convicted.....but as close as you can get....

 

A federal jury found former President Donald Trump liable for sexually abusing E. Jean Carroll.

Thank you, not convicted and not found liable for "being a sexual predator".   

Didn't he deny everything and is in the process of appealing and has not yet had to pay single penny to her?