A Romanian grooming gang has been convicted of sexually exploiting ten vulnerable women in Dundee, following a thorough investigation into human trafficking, sexual exploitation, and drug supply in the Tayside area. The group’s actions were described as “deplorable” by Detective Inspector Scott Carswell of Police Scotland, who led the operation.

 

The gang, consisting of Marian Cumpanasoiu, 37, Remus Stan, 34, Catalin Dobre, 44, Cristian Urlateanu, 41, and Alexandra Bugonea, 34, denied all charges but were found guilty after a trial at the High Court in Glasgow. Their convictions encompass a range of offenses, including rape and human trafficking.

 

Detective Inspector Carswell revealed that the gang targeted their victims at parties where they were plied with alcohol and free Class A drugs, creating a cycle of addiction and dependency. "The women were coerced into sexual activity, which a lot of them didn’t want to do,” Carswell explained. “But as things progressed, they became so addicted to the drugs that the only way they could get them was by performing the sexual acts.”

 

He emphasized the calculated nature of the gang’s methods, stating, “They’ve had no thought as to the impact this is having on the victims. It’s been quite controlled in that they knew what they were doing.”

 

The convictions are the result of Operation Recloir, a Police Scotland initiative launched in late 2021 to combat suspected human trafficking in the region. Initially focused on brothel-keeping and trafficking Romanian women into Scotland, the investigation expanded in mid-2022 when evidence emerged that the gang was grooming and exploiting vulnerable local women.

 

DI Carswell explained how the group manipulated their victims by offering free drugs and other gifts, which later became tools for coercion. “Unfortunately, this got them addicted to the Class A drugs that had been provided,” he said.

 

Many victims were unaware they were being exploited, believing they were in genuine relationships with the gang members. "They thought they were girlfriends of the men involved, not realizing they were being groomed and used,” Carswell noted.

 

While the investigation identified all known victims, not all were willing to engage with the inquiry. Police Scotland continues to provide ongoing support to the women involved, ensuring their long-term welfare and safeguarding.

 

Carswell offered reassurance to those who may still need help, stating, “Even if they don’t want to engage with the police, the support is always there if they need help with anything on the back of this.”

 

The gang is set to be sentenced at a later date, marking a critical step in addressing human trafficking and exploitation in the region.

 

Based on a report by Sky News 2024-01-11

 

 

Tip of the iceberg.  Open door immigration allows foreign immigrants to commit crimes and sexually molest our young people. 

Due to inadequate immigration policy and poor policing very few offenders are jailed or deported.  mainly due to  local muslim councillors, woke do gooders and unwanted interference  from the European court of Human Rights. 

Posted this yesterday on another linked thread.

 

What are the chances of them being followers of Allan's Snackbar ?

The UK seems to be harboring all kind of scum from eastern Europe or the Middle eastern countries! When will the people of the UK rise up and keep the stupid politicians responsible?? Chase them out of offices' and demand new elections! I hope Farage can do something about this. If not, the UK is screwed and becoming Europe's slum number 1.

Prompting the Pakistani grooming gangs to say "cheeky baastards stealing our jobs"

3 hours ago, harryviking said:

The UK seems to be harboring all kind of scum from eastern Europe or the Middle eastern countries! When will the people of the UK rise up and keep the stupid politicians responsible?? Chase them out of offices' and demand new elections! I hope Farage can do something about this. If not, the UK is screwed and becoming Europe's slum number 1.

Yeah, and they had more than enough of their own scum before the foreign scum arrived!

3 minutes ago, Watawattana said:

Yeah, and they had more than enough of their own scum before the foreign scum arrived!

 

 

So....do you have evidence to support that ridiculous comment?

 

In the unlikely event that you were trying to be humorous, I recommend the use of smiley emoticons.

7 hours ago, Watawattana said:

Yeah, and they had more than enough of their own scum before the foreign scum arrived!

Yes but most of us British scum live over here now.

On 1/11/2025 at 7:34 AM, jippytum said:

Tip of the iceberg.  Open door immigration allows foreign immigrants to commit crimes and sexually molest our young people. 

Due to inadequate immigration policy and poor policing very few offenders are jailed or deported.  mainly due to  local muslim councillors, woke do gooders and unwanted interference  from the European court of Human Rights. 

 

Yes. The Tory party have a lot to answer for in that respect.

On 1/11/2025 at 8:17 AM, harryviking said:

When will the people of the UK rise up and keep the stupid politicians responsible??

 

but if you point out that foreign people are doing it, you'll be labelled as racist.

On 1/11/2025 at 7:34 AM, jippytum said:

Tip of the iceberg.  Open door immigration allows foreign immigrants to commit crimes and sexually molest our young people. 

Due to inadequate immigration policy and poor policing very few offenders are jailed or deported.  mainly due to  local muslim councillors, woke do gooders and unwanted interference  from the European court of Human Rights. 

Most sexual assaults on our women are committed by white males born in England.

2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

but if you point out that foreign people are doing it, you'll be labelled as racist.

 

It's that foreign religion doing it, just like the sick founder of it

2 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Most sexual assaults on our women are committed by white males born in England.

Wrong topic, this is about grooming gangs not singular sexual assaults

A number of off topics posts removed. Please discuss the OP

 

Romanian Grooming Gang Convicted of Sexually Exploiting Women in Dundee

7 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Most sexual assaults on our women are committed by white males born in England.

gooming gangs are  predominantly males of muslim faith with Pakistani dual nationality. Wikipedia

43 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Most sexual assaults on our women are committed by white males born in England.

.... and most lottery ticket winners in Thailand are Thai, and most people who like Marmite in Bulgaria are Bulgarians .... ain't statistics fascinating. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

7 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

What apart from:-

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-67924138

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-46320025

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-42438082

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c25rnn47dgzo

 

There's also - 

Amberdale children's home, Beechwood children's home , Berkhamsted paedophile network, Birmingham bathing cult, Islington Children's Homes, Jersey child abuse investigation, Jimmy Savile sexual abuse scandal, Kesgrave Hall School, Kidwelly sex cult, Kincora Boys' Home, Manchester Children's Homes, Medomsley Detention Centre, Newcastle child sex abuse ring, North Wales child abuse scandal, Norwich sexual abuse ring, Nottingham Care Homes, Plymouth child abuse, the football sexual abuse scandal and the Westminster paedophile dossier. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse_in_the_United_Kingdom#Notable_incidents

 

 'Figures from the police database show where ethnicity is recorded, that in the first three quarters of 2024 - 85% of group-based child abusers were white, while 3.9% were of Pakistani origin'.   https://news.sky.com/story/wrong-to-say-group-based-child-abuse-is-predominantly-committed-by-pakistani-men-police-chiefs-13286550

 

So no, not 'all grooming gang convictions so far have been Muslims of Pakistani origin' - far from it in fact - but obviously those that are pushing an agenda want to focus on the Muslim and Pakistani cases as it justifies their own anti-Muslim, anti-Islam stance. 

 

And before anyone thinks I am trying to minimise these Muslim/Pakistani gangs crimes or the obvious cover-up across police and local councils then you are missing the point. ALL of this is henious but to try and say 'all grooming gang convictions so far have been Muslims of Pakistani origin' is disingenous at best, downright dishonest at worst.

 

Ooooh .... someone got triggered into a Googling fest!

 

Still struggling with statistics I see.  At least for the next few years the UK is still predominantly white.

 

But what % of the Pakistani population in UK has been convicted of grooming offences compared to the % of the white population I wonder?

 

Nobody could realistically deny that their religion denigrates women, which has an impact on their view of women's rights.

4 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Well the Muslims are not grooming Muslim women.

 

They are grooming white women who are easy targets with looser morals who have been brainwashed by feminists.

 

Not women, they groom, rape, traffic and torture schoolgirls

31 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Ooooh .... someone got triggered into a Googling fest!

 

Still struggling with statistics I see.  At least for the next few years the UK is still predominantly white.

 

But what % of the Pakistani population in UK has been convicted of grooming offences compared to the % of the white population I wonder?

 

Nobody could realistically deny that their religion denigrates women, which has an impact on their view of women's rights.

They would rather ignore links like these

 

The UK Grooming Gangs and the Cowardice of the West

Thousands of young girls, mostly children, were systematically groomed and raped by immigrant gangs across the UK over a period of decades. Police turned the girls away. Detectives were discouraged from investigating. Politicians and prosecutors did their best to sweep it under the rug. Journalists skipped the biggest story of their lives. A culture of silence enveloped the United Kingdom. Why?

https://www.thefp.com/p/bari-weiss-uk-grooming-gangs-cowardice-of-the-west

On 1/11/2025 at 10:34 AM, jippytum said:

Tip of the iceberg.  Open door immigration allows foreign immigrants to commit crimes and sexually molest our young people. 

Due to inadequate immigration policy and poor policing very few offenders are jailed or deported.  mainly due to  local muslim councillors, woke do gooders and unwanted interference  from the European court of Human Rights. 

 

Are Romani people Muslim or are you just leveraging this OP to attack Muslims in general? BTW HMG does not have an "Open Door" migration policy., that's just another right of centre meme. it is interesting that white British grooming gangs get little mention in UK media, no surprise. A reasonably balanced  article below sheds some light on the demographics of this type of crime.

 

A previous piece of research from 2015 found that of 1,231 perpetrators of "group and gang-based child sexual exploitation", 42% were white, 14% were defined as Asian or Asian British and 17% black.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65174096

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

Most sexual assaults on our women are committed by white males born in England.

Things like this have to be looked on a per capita basis i.e percent of rapes vs percent of population. Quoting the number of rapes in absolute terms will almost certainly show the (just still) highest ethnic group will commit the highest number of low incidence crimes through sheer weight of numbers in the population.

 

Quoting on an absolute basis is a statistically unsound political strategy used to distort the data for the purpose of deflecting criticism of the number of per capita rapes committed by certain immigrant groups.

15 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Are Romani people Muslim or are you just leveraging this OP to attack Muslims in general? BTW HMG does not have an "Open Door" migration policy., that's just another right of centre meme. it is interesting that white British grooming gangs get little mention in UK media, no surprise. A reasonably balanced  article below sheds some light on the demographics of this type of crime.

 

A previous piece of research from 2015 found that of 1,231 perpetrators of "group and gang-based child sexual exploitation", 42% were white, 14% were defined as Asian or Asian British and 17% black.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65174096

 14% were defined as Asian or Asian British

 

Indeed a figure showing an over-representation of the demographics of national populations. This is not about total numbers is it. That would be ridiculous.

 

 

6 minutes ago, mokwit said:

Things like this have to be looked on a per capita basis i.e percent of rapes vs percent of population. Quoting the number of rapes in absolute terms will almost certainly show the (just still) highest ethnic group will commit the highest number of low incidence crimes through sheer weight of numbers in the population.

 

Quoting on an absolute basis is a statistically unsound political strategy used to distort the data for the purpose of deflecting criticism of the number of per capita rapes committed by certain immigrant groups.

At the end of the day we should be protecting as many females as possible so letting people like Jimmy, the church etc off the hook for so many years etc etc should not be overlooked.

It is a problem with our society that only encourages the foreigners to think they can also get away with it.

 

Huge outrage over the immigrants but an eerie silence on our own.

19 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Are Romani people Muslim or are you just leveraging this OP to attack Muslims in general? BTW HMG does not have an "Open Door" migration policy., that's just another right of centre meme. it is interesting that white British grooming gangs get little mention in UK media, no surprise. A reasonably balanced  article below sheds some light on the demographics of this type of crime.

 

A previous piece of research from 2015 found that of 1,231 perpetrators of "group and gang-based child sexual exploitation", 42% were white, 14% were defined as Asian or Asian British and 17% black.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65174096

 

Nobody believes the BBC these days pal, they are social activists not unbiased reporters. The Manchester Police are not a reliable source either as they have been complicit in the cover up. Braverman was right when she stated:

 

Home Secretary Suella Braverman made several comments about the ethnicity of abusers in high-profile gangs.

In the Mail on Sunday she said "the perpetrators are groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani".

To the BBC she said the gangs were "overwhelmingly" made up of British-Pakistani males.

 

 

31 minutes ago, simple1 said:

A reasonably balanced  article below sheds some light on the demographics of this type of crime.

 

A previous piece of research from 2015 found that of 1,231 perpetrators of "group and gang-based child sexual exploitation", 42% were white, 14% were defined as Asian or Asian British and 17% black.

This is absolute numbers not per capita. You have cherry picked a paragraph that you think suits your agenda.

 

For some reason you didn't cut and paste this from the article:

 

"Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations."

 

I have previously tried to get across to you the importance of looking at this based on per capita not absolute numbers but you refuse to acknowledge this either because it is against your agenda, or because you are too limited to grasp this concept (it is a university education level thing). The reason I say per capita is because I was formally taught to interpret data as a Science undergraduate and in a finance qualification.

 

So: you are hardly qualified/to be trusted to make a judgement on whether an article is balanced. The BBC is regarded by many/mostas having a pro immigration stance and to downplay grooming crimes.

 

I repeat things like this have to be looked on a per capita basis i.e percent of rapes vs percent of population. Quoting the number of rapes in absolute terms will almost certainly show the highest ethnic group will commit the highest number of low incidence crimes through sheer weight of numbers in the population.

 

Quoting on an absolute basis is a statistically unsound political strategy used to distort the data for the purpose of deflecting criticism of the number of per capita rapes committed by certain immigrant groups.

 

Lumping all 'Asians' together would distort the per capita number form a particular group of interest (Pakistani and Bangladeshi) as it would also include for example Chinese who might (almost certainly) have a much lower per capita offence rate. This is likely done deliberately to avoid showing the data in it's true light. Similarly black, doesn't distinguish between long established Afro Caribbean from a similar culture and more recent immigrants from third world African countries where a rape culture is prevalent in some.

11 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

At the end of the day we should be protecting as many females as possible so letting people like Jimmy, the church etc off the hook for so many years etc etc should not be overlooked.

It is a problem with our society that only encourages the foreigners to think they can also get away with it.

 

Huge outrage over the immigrants but an eerie silence on our own.

How many women are you protecting mainly targeting hookers for your sexual escapades, some of who might have been trafficked into that trade?

4 hours ago, proton said:

 

Nobody believes the BBC these days pal, they are social activists not unbiased reporters. The Manchester Police are not a reliable source either as they have been complicit in the cover up. Braverman was right when she stated:

 

Home Secretary Suella Braverman made several comments about the ethnicity of abusers in high-profile gangs.

In the Mail on Sunday she said "the perpetrators are groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani".

To the BBC she said the gangs were "overwhelmingly" made up of British-Pakistani males.

 

During 2024    36,816 illegal immigrants predominantly muslim males entered the UK. Lower than 2022  when  45,756 illegals entered the country. Seems like open door to me.

 

13 minutes ago, mokwit said:

This is absolute numbers not per capita. You have cherry picked a paragraph that you think suits your agenda.

 

For some reason you didn't cut and paste this from the article:

 

"Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations."

 

I have previously tried to get across to you the importance of looking at this based on per capita not absolute numbers but you refuse to acknowledge this either because it is against your agenda, or because you are too limited to grasp this concept (it is a university education level thing). The reason I say per capita is because I was formally taught to interpret data as a Science undergraduate and in a finance qualification.

 

So: you are hardly qualified/to be trusted to make a judgement on whether an article is balanced. The BBC is regarded by many/mostas having a pro immigration stance and to downplay grooming crimes.

 

I repeat things like this have to be looked on a per capita basis i.e percent of rapes vs percent of population. Quoting the number of rapes in absolute terms will almost certainly show the highest ethnic group will commit the highest number of low incidence crimes through sheer weight of numbers in the population.

 

Quoting on an absolute basis is a statistically unsound political strategy used to distort the data for the purpose of deflecting criticism of the number of per capita rapes committed by certain immigrant groups.

 

Lumping all 'Asians' together would distort the per capita number form a particular group of interest (Pakistani and Bangladeshi) as it would also include for example Chinese who might (almost certainly) have a much lower per capita offence rate. This is likely done deliberately to avoid showing the data in it's true light. Similarly black, doesn't distinguish between long established Afro Caribbean from a similar culture and more recent immigrants from third world African countries where a rape culture is prevalent in some.

If you'd bothered to read the thread properly, you will see I have already addressed this.

 

The information you are looking for is on page 38

 

https://www.csacentre.org.uk/app/uploads/2024/02/Trends-in-Offical-Data-2022-23-FINAL.pdf

 

Caveat - 'This overrepresentation is likely to be related to the overall under-identification of child sexual abuse in minority ethnic communities.' Something I think we are seeing a lot more of which in turn is fuelling the conversation. However you yourself are attempting to 'distort the data for the purpose of deflecting criticism of the number of per capita rapes committed by certain immigrant groups,' to highlight your own bias that this is higher in ethnic groups, which (so far) the numbers do not corroborate. 

On 1/11/2025 at 12:29 PM, hotandsticky said:

 

 

So....do you have evidence to support that ridiculous comment?

 

In the unlikely event that you were trying to be humorous, I recommend the use of smiley emoticons.

Are you for real?  I read your comment as saying there was no scum in UK before foreigners arrived. You surely are aware that crime existed before?  Stupid reply. 

35 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

If you'd bothered to read the thread properly, you will see I have already addressed this.

 

The information you are looking for is on page 38

 

https://www.csacentre.org.uk/app/uploads/2024/02/Trends-in-Offical-Data-2022-23-FINAL.pdf

 

Caveat - 'This overrepresentation is likely to be related to the overall under-identification of child sexual abuse in minority ethnic communities.' Something I think we are seeing a lot more of which in turn is fuelling the conversation. However you yourself are attempting to 'distort the data for the purpose of deflecting criticism of the number of per capita rapes committed by certain immigrant groups,' to highlight your own bias that this is higher in ethnic groups, which (so far) the numbers do not corroborate. 

You have not addressed this'

 

From P38

 

The conviction ratio ranged from 62% for Black
defendants to 83% for White defendants. This
is likely to be related to the offences for which
people from different ethnic backgrounds were
prosecuted: image offences, which were more
likely to be the reason for White defendants to
be prosecuted, were more likely than most other
child sexual abuse offences to result in a conviction

 

We are talking about sexual assaults/grooming not all sexual offences including image offenses.

 

Was Huw Edwards convicted of sexual assault/ grooming?

 

from P35, and I think I can spot an error that makes me wonder about the whole reports accuracy.

Total child sexual abuse image prosecutions 3,305 2,983 90%
Sexual grooming 638 647 101%

 

 

You either you/they aren't capable of interpreting data or are being deliberately dishonest with an agenda on the assumption you can mislead.

 

Who funds csacentre? Looks to me that they sell courses:

https://www.csacentre.org.uk/courses/