Did Joe Biden really get this much wrong during his presidency?

[rattlesnake]

9 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

I guarantee the next 4 years will be far worse.

 

The 4 previous ones were far better.

[SiSePuede419]

I count 24 years of Republican Presidents since the late 70s, but you want to pretend all those issues started in the last 4 years?

Hoo boy, were you really born yesterday. 😭

[Johno57]

On 1/13/2025 at 8:02 PM, impulse said:

Short answer, yes. 

 

He really got that much wrong.

 

 

Worst president in history especially considering his lack of border security & its ramifications on the economy & security of the country...

[Gobbler]

On 1/13/2025 at 4:02 PM, impulse said:

Short answer, yes. 

 

He really got that much wrong.

 

 

 

When you get EVERYTHING wrong, that isn't an accident.

[Gobbler]

3 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

I count 24 years of Republican Presidents since the late 70s, but you want to pretend all those issues started in the last 4 years?

Hoo boy, were you really born yesterday. 😭

I do hope you are not a citizen. 

[flexomike]

19 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

But not Trump or his immediate family.....??

wow, you really have an obsession with Trump, just can't get him out of your head.

[thailand49]

He not a clue as to what he did!🤣

[Gobbler]

3 hours ago, Johno57 said:

Worst president in history especially considering his lack of border security & its ramifications on the economy & security of the country...

It's all planned. 

[fittobethaied]

The best way to answer that question is to ask "what did he do right"?  And the answer is "nothing"!!!!

[georgegeorgia]

36 minutes ago, Gobbler said:

It's all planned. 

I think some like yourself are not culturallly acceptable

They should open those borders again just like Kamala was doing , people are not as well off as you !

[Travis179]

On 1/13/2025 at 2:05 PM, Rimmer said:

These points reflect critiques from various perspectives and should be considered within the broader context of his presidency:

Domestic Policy Issues

1. Handling of Inflation:

   • Critics argue that Biden's administration underestimated the risks of inflation, particularly in the wake of substantial government spending through COVID-19 relief and stimulus measures like the American Rescue Plan.
   • Some claim that this contributed to rising costs of goods and services.

2. Immigration Policy:

   • The administration faced criticism over the ongoing situation at the U.S.-Mexico border. Opponents argue that Biden's reversal of Trump-era policies, such as the "Remain in Mexico" policy, led to a surge in migrant crossings.
   • Overcrowded detention facilities and delayed reforms to the immigration system were also points of concern.

3. Afghanistan Withdrawal:

   • The withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan in August 2021 was widely criticized for being poorly executed.
   • The sudden collapse of the Afghan government and the chaotic evacuation process, including the tragic Kabul airport attack, were seen as a failure in planning and coordination.

4. Student Loan Relief Program Challenges:

   • While praised by many, Biden’s student loan forgiveness plan faced legal challenges and was eventually struck down by the Supreme Court.
   • Critics argue the program lacked clarity on implementation and bypassed Congressional approval.

5. Energy Policy:

   • The administration's focus on transitioning to renewable energy was criticized for being too abrupt, particularly during a time of rising gas prices in 2022.
   • Biden faced accusations of mixed messaging, such as approving new oil leases while promoting clean energy initiatives.

6. COVID-19 Management:

   • While Biden’s administration expanded vaccine distribution, some critics argued the messaging around vaccine mandates, masking, and booster shots was inconsistent and divisive.

Foreign Policy Challenges

1. Relations with China:

   • Critics contend that Biden’s approach to managing tensions with China has been unclear, particularly concerning trade disputes, Taiwan, and human rights issues.
   • Some see his handling as either too confrontational or too lenient, depending on the political perspective.

2. Ukraine Conflict:

   • While Biden received praise for rallying NATO support against Russia's invasion of Ukraine, critics raised concerns about the high financial cost of U.S. military aid, arguing for greater transparency and strategy.

3. Iran Nuclear Deal:

   • Efforts to revive the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) faced delays and criticism from opponents who believe it is too lenient on Iran's nuclear ambitions.

Political and Communication Issues

1. Bipartisanship Struggles:

   • Despite promises to unify the country, Biden faced challenges bridging the partisan divide in Congress, with several legislative efforts stalling due to lack of Republican support.

2. Public Perception and Messaging:

   • Biden’s communication style, including gaffes and occasional lack of clarity, has been criticized for undermining confidence in his leadership.
   • Concerns about his age and stamina have fueled debates about his effectiveness.

3. Ethics and Transparency:

   • Ongoing scrutiny of Hunter Biden’s business dealings has raised questions about potential conflicts of interest, though no direct evidence implicates President Biden

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The illegitimate, fraudulent Biden regime was an atrocity. A dumpster fire from top to bottom.

[frank83628]

[WDSmart]

No, Biden did not "get much wrong" during his presidency. But, if you're looking for a president who will "get much wrong," you'll be able to find one over the next four years. 

[Thailand]

Musk's Grok says:

"

Comparing the performance of the Biden administration (Democrats) over the last four years with Donald Trump's four years in office involves examining various metrics, including economic performance, social policies, foreign policy, and public perception. Here's an analysis based on available data and public sentiment:

 

Economic Performance:

• GDP Growth: Under Trump, GDP growth averaged around 2.5% before the 2020 economic downturn due to the global health crisis. Biden's administration has seen a recovery with GDP growth rates that have fluctuated, reaching an annualized rate of 5.9% in 2021 due to the post-COVID recovery, but tapering off to around 1.9% and 2.5% in subsequent years.

   

  

   

  
• Job Market: Both presidents oversaw periods of low unemployment; Trump's term ended with unemployment at about 6.3% due to the economic effects of the pandemic, while under Biden, unemployment dropped to as low as 3.4% in early 2022, though it has since increased slightly. Biden's administration has been noted for significant job creation, often credited to the recovery from the economic downturn.

   

   

  
• Inflation: Inflation has been notably higher under Biden, with rates peaking at 9.1% in June 2022, compared to a generally low inflation rate during Trump's term until the economic disruptions in 2020.

   

  

   

  
• Stock Market: The S&P 500 performed well under both administrations, but with stronger gains during Trump's presidency up until early 2020. Under Biden, the market has continued to rise but at a more moderate pace, with significant volatility due to economic recovery and inflation concerns.

   

   

  

 

Social Policies:

• Healthcare: Biden managed to pass the Inflation Reduction Act, which includes measures like drug price negotiations for Medicare, contrasting with Trump's unsuccessful attempts to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

   

  
• Climate and Infrastructure: Biden passed significant infrastructure and climate legislation, like the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law and components of the Inflation Reduction Act aimed at climate change, which were not priorities during Trump's term.

   

  
• Social Issues: Biden's administration has pushed for progressive social policies, including executive actions on immigration relief and student loan forgiveness, areas where Trump took a different, often more restrictive, approach.

   

  

 

Foreign Policy:

• International Relations: Biden has worked to repair alliances strained during Trump's term, rejoining international agreements like the Paris Climate Accord. However, he's faced criticism over issues like the Afghanistan withdrawal and the ongoing Ukraine conflict. Trump's "America First" policy led to significant changes in foreign relations, including pulling out of international agreements.

   

  
• Global Influence: There's debate on whether the U.S. has regained or lost influence under Biden compared to Trump, with some arguing Biden has restored traditional alliances while others critique his handling of international crises.

   

  

 

Public Perception:

• Approval Ratings: Biden's approval ratings have been generally lower compared to the start of his term, with significant partisan divides. Trump's approval was consistently low among Democrats but relatively stable among his base. Recent polls suggest a more favorable retrospective view of Trump's presidency compared to Biden's current approval ratings.

   

  

   

  
• Public Sentiment: There's a sense of disappointment among some of Biden's key constituencies, particularly on issues like immigration and economic cost of living, while Trump's era is often viewed more positively by his supporters in retrospect, especially on economic matters.

   

  

   

  

 

In summary, while both administrations had their successes and challenges, Biden's Democrats have navigated a post-COVID world with significant legislative achievements in infrastructure and climate action, alongside economic recovery. However, they've also faced criticism on inflation, border policies, and international affairs. Trump's term, marked by tax cuts and deregulation, saw economic growth before the global health crisis, but his term was also contentious due to his approach to governance and policy. The comparison is complex, influenced by global events like pandemics and wars, and deeply colored by partisan perspectives."

 

[candide]

56 minutes ago, Thailand said:

Musk's Grok says:

"

Comparing the performance of the Biden administration (Democrats) over the last four years with Donald Trump's four years in office involves examining various metrics, including economic performance, social policies, foreign policy, and public perception. Here's an analysis based on available data and public sentiment:

 

Economic Performance:

• GDP Growth: Under Trump, GDP growth averaged around 2.5% before the 2020 economic downturn due to the global health crisis. Biden's administration has seen a recovery with GDP growth rates that have fluctuated, reaching an annualized rate of 5.9% in 2021 due to the post-COVID recovery, but tapering off to around 1.9% and 2.5% in subsequent years.

   

  

   

  
• Job Market: Both presidents oversaw periods of low unemployment; Trump's term ended with unemployment at about 6.3% due to the economic effects of the pandemic, while under Biden, unemployment dropped to as low as 3.4% in early 2022, though it has since increased slightly. Biden's administration has been noted for significant job creation, often credited to the recovery from the economic downturn.

   

   

  
• Inflation: Inflation has been notably higher under Biden, with rates peaking at 9.1% in June 2022, compared to a generally low inflation rate during Trump's term until the economic disruptions in 2020.

   

  

   

  
• Stock Market: The S&P 500 performed well under both administrations, but with stronger gains during Trump's presidency up until early 2020. Under Biden, the market has continued to rise but at a more moderate pace, with significant volatility due to economic recovery and inflation concerns.

   

   

  

 

Social Policies:

• Healthcare: Biden managed to pass the Inflation Reduction Act, which includes measures like drug price negotiations for Medicare, contrasting with Trump's unsuccessful attempts to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

   

  
• Climate and Infrastructure: Biden passed significant infrastructure and climate legislation, like the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law and components of the Inflation Reduction Act aimed at climate change, which were not priorities during Trump's term.

   

  
• Social Issues: Biden's administration has pushed for progressive social policies, including executive actions on immigration relief and student loan forgiveness, areas where Trump took a different, often more restrictive, approach.

   

  

 

Foreign Policy:

• International Relations: Biden has worked to repair alliances strained during Trump's term, rejoining international agreements like the Paris Climate Accord. However, he's faced criticism over issues like the Afghanistan withdrawal and the ongoing Ukraine conflict. Trump's "America First" policy led to significant changes in foreign relations, including pulling out of international agreements.

   

  
• Global Influence: There's debate on whether the U.S. has regained or lost influence under Biden compared to Trump, with some arguing Biden has restored traditional alliances while others critique his handling of international crises.

   

  

 

Public Perception:

• Approval Ratings: Biden's approval ratings have been generally lower compared to the start of his term, with significant partisan divides. Trump's approval was consistently low among Democrats but relatively stable among his base. Recent polls suggest a more favorable retrospective view of Trump's presidency compared to Biden's current approval ratings.

   

  

   

  
• Public Sentiment: There's a sense of disappointment among some of Biden's key constituencies, particularly on issues like immigration and economic cost of living, while Trump's era is often viewed more positively by his supporters in retrospect, especially on economic matters.

   

  

   

  

 

In summary, while both administrations had their successes and challenges, Biden's Democrats have navigated a post-COVID world with significant legislative achievements in infrastructure and climate action, alongside economic recovery. However, they've also faced criticism on inflation, border policies, and international affairs. Trump's term, marked by tax cuts and deregulation, saw economic growth before the global health crisis, but his term was also contentious due to his approach to governance and policy. The comparison is complex, influenced by global events like pandemics and wars, and deeply colored by partisan perspectives."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I asked Copilot ( ChatGPT 4) to compare the economic performance of the Biden administration with the performance of the other G7 countries, as they were subject to the same global environnent (which was quite different from pre-Covid).

 

(I have erased the references because they was making the text unreadable. If you want the text with references, I can make another post).

 

Here's the reply:

 

The Biden administration's economic performance can be compared to other G7 countries using various indicators:

1. **GDP Growth**: The U.S. experienced strong GDP growth during Biden's tenure, recovering faster than other G7 countries from the pandemic. The U.S. GDP growth rate was higher compared to the average of the other G7 countries

2. **Inflation Rate**: The U.S. managed to bring inflation down after the initial post-pandemic surge. This was a significant achievement compared to some G7 countries that struggled with persistent inflation

3. **Unemployment Rate**: The U.S. saw strong job creation and a significant reduction in unemployment rates. This was one of the best performances among G7 countries

4. **Debt Increase**: The U.S. national debt increased during Biden's administration, but this was a common trend among G7 countries due to pandemic-related spending. The U.S. debt-to-GDP ratio was comparable to other G7 nations.

5. **Innovation**: The U.S. maintained its position as a leader in innovation, with significant investments in technology and clean energy. This was reflected in strong productivity growth and a surge in new business applications.

 

Overall, the Biden administration's economic performance was strong compared to other G7 countries, particularly in terms of GDP growth, job creation, and innovation. If you want to dive deeper into any specific aspect, just let me know!

[SiSePuede419]

10 hours ago, Gobbler said:

13 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

I count 24 years of Republican Presidents since the late 70s, but you want to pretend all those issues started in the last 4 years?

Hoo boy, were you really born yesterday. 😭

Expand  

I do hope you are not a citizen. 

The facts really hurt the feelings of MAGA. 🤣

[Gobbler]

1 hour ago, SiSePuede419 said:

The facts really hurt the feelings of MAGA. 🤣

State a fact and I'll let you know. 

 

 

[metisdead]

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[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/14/2025 at 5:03 PM, kingstonkid said:

Jpe did nothing in the Ukraine war except coninually putting money into it.

Posters complain about Trump's tax cuts for the rich, so why don't they complain about making the rich very rich by selling/ giving all that war materiel to Ukraine? That was used to buy US made weapons, which obviously made a profit they would not have without the war.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Thailand said:

Musk's Grok says:

"

Comparing the performance of the Biden administration (Democrats) over the last four years with Donald Trump's four years in office involves examining various metrics, including economic performance, social policies, foreign policy, and public perception. Here's an analysis based on available data and public sentiment:

 

Economic Performance:

• GDP Growth: Under Trump, GDP growth averaged around 2.5% before the 2020 economic downturn due to the global health crisis. Biden's administration has seen a recovery with GDP growth rates that have fluctuated, reaching an annualized rate of 5.9% in 2021 due to the post-COVID recovery, but tapering off to around 1.9% and 2.5% in subsequent years.

   

  

   

  
• Job Market: Both presidents oversaw periods of low unemployment; Trump's term ended with unemployment at about 6.3% due to the economic effects of the pandemic, while under Biden, unemployment dropped to as low as 3.4% in early 2022, though it has since increased slightly. Biden's administration has been noted for significant job creation, often credited to the recovery from the economic downturn.

   

   

  
• Inflation: Inflation has been notably higher under Biden, with rates peaking at 9.1% in June 2022, compared to a generally low inflation rate during Trump's term until the economic disruptions in 2020.

   

  

   

  
• Stock Market: The S&P 500 performed well under both administrations, but with stronger gains during Trump's presidency up until early 2020. Under Biden, the market has continued to rise but at a more moderate pace, with significant volatility due to economic recovery and inflation concerns.

   

   

  

 

Social Policies:

• Healthcare: Biden managed to pass the Inflation Reduction Act, which includes measures like drug price negotiations for Medicare, contrasting with Trump's unsuccessful attempts to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

   

  
• Climate and Infrastructure: Biden passed significant infrastructure and climate legislation, like the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law and components of the Inflation Reduction Act aimed at climate change, which were not priorities during Trump's term.

   

  
• Social Issues: Biden's administration has pushed for progressive social policies, including executive actions on immigration relief and student loan forgiveness, areas where Trump took a different, often more restrictive, approach.

   

  

 

Foreign Policy:

• International Relations: Biden has worked to repair alliances strained during Trump's term, rejoining international agreements like the Paris Climate Accord. However, he's faced criticism over issues like the Afghanistan withdrawal and the ongoing Ukraine conflict. Trump's "America First" policy led to significant changes in foreign relations, including pulling out of international agreements.

   

  
• Global Influence: There's debate on whether the U.S. has regained or lost influence under Biden compared to Trump, with some arguing Biden has restored traditional alliances while others critique his handling of international crises.

   

  

 

Public Perception:

• Approval Ratings: Biden's approval ratings have been generally lower compared to the start of his term, with significant partisan divides. Trump's approval was consistently low among Democrats but relatively stable among his base. Recent polls suggest a more favorable retrospective view of Trump's presidency compared to Biden's current approval ratings.

   

  

   

  
• Public Sentiment: There's a sense of disappointment among some of Biden's key constituencies, particularly on issues like immigration and economic cost of living, while Trump's era is often viewed more positively by his supporters in retrospect, especially on economic matters.

   

  

   

  

 

In summary, while both administrations had their successes and challenges, Biden's Democrats have navigated a post-COVID world with significant legislative achievements in infrastructure and climate action, alongside economic recovery. However, they've also faced criticism on inflation, border policies, and international affairs. Trump's term, marked by tax cuts and deregulation, saw economic growth before the global health crisis, but his term was also contentious due to his approach to governance and policy. The comparison is complex, influenced by global events like pandemics and wars, and deeply colored by partisan perspectives."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No mention of Trump not starting any wars, which IMO was his greatest achievement in his first term.