Thai tax tangle: Expats warned of new rules on overseas income

[Dogmatix]

While 31 March was the last day for filing PND 90 or 91 in hard copy, yesterday was the last day for filing online.  Now you can still file for 2024 late and pay the fine but only in hard copy which is more of a hassle because the RD online system nowadays has a lot of your data already loaded, e.g. deductions for family and your insurance premiums, charitable donations and tax deductible consumer purchases. It also calculates the tax for you. 

 

I filed my own PND90 last week but filed for Mrs Dog, who is a Thai accountant but lets me do her tax, because tax is not her specialty or interest. As always her information that was not yet pre-loaded by the RD arrived at the last minute.  

 

After doing both PND90s with different types of income, I can confirm that absolutely nothing has changed in the system since last year, despite widespread speculation that the RD would update forms to allow for DTA claims.  There is a box to tick, if you have stock dividends from overseas but that has been there for years. I have never declared any but I assume it is just there because there are no tax credits on foreign dividends, so the form for them excludes that calculation. 

 

It would be interesting to see reports of people who have filed PND90s for foreign income remitted to Thailand last year.  It seems the only way to do this and claim DTA benefits if by filing in person at an RD office, assuming they know how to do, which seems doubtful in most locations.

[Expat68]

On 4/9/2025 at 12:38 PM, Dogmatix said:

The obvious problem is that, despite the fact the UK state pension had long been in existence when the UK DTA was negotiated, the British negotiators, unlike the Americans, didn't insist on the sole rights to tax state pensions.  The fact that they did insist on the sole right to tax civil servant pensions made clear that was all they cared about. Now  Brits are left scrabbling to establish some sort of equivalency based on the DTA that specifically excluded their pensions.

Went to my amphur, head of tax office said no need to fill tax form in. I am lucky in that if it all goes pair shaped I still have a house in the uk. I will just leave, I have had 15 great retirement years already, so no problem for me

[redwood1]

On 4/11/2025 at 9:25 AM, Expat68 said:

Went to my amphur, head of tax office said no need to fill tax form in. I am lucky in that if it all goes pair shaped I still have a house in the uk. I will just leave, I have had 15 great retirement years already, so no problem for me

 

Your Amphur would not let you pay tax.....Thats terrible......Maybe try going  to a number of tax offices until you can find one who will let you pay tax......

 

Offering many thousands in tea money might encourage them to let you pay tax.....

 

And if this did not work I would say it would be high time to take some hostages in the tax office until they came their senses and realized they simply are not going home Ever, until a farang can pay tax...