The Troubling Decline of DEI: A Step Backward for America

[impulse]

Two repeated examples in my career where laws and their enforcement have hurt Blacks and Women.

 

1) You can't fire a Black employee without risking a huge discrimination lawsuit...  Every employee you bring on has a risk that they won't work out, and you'll have to fire them.  What's the best way to reduce your risk of being sued for wrongful termination?  Don't hire employees that can sue you (and win) if they don't work out.

 

2) Several companies I worked for won't hire women of a certain age.  Again and again, we hired women who were already pregnant (you're not allowed to ask).  Six months later (do that math), they take their paid maternity leave, burden the company insurance policy to pay for the care, then don't come back when the mandated pregnancy leave runs out.  It was clear from the results that they just hired on for the benefits and never had any no intention of staying. 

 

Can anyone think of a good way to prevent that abuse of the laws and the system?  I can.

 

Both of those are clearly abuse of the system.  But the lawmakers (and the deep state) keep passing stupid, easy to game regulations.  The ones that are hurt are the good Black and female employees.

 

 

[Airalee]

3 hours ago, WDSmart said:

That might have been the case historically, but in the present, most countries are thoroughly mixed. Certainly, the UK and the US are.

Yes, the US is very mixed, but it’s not equally mixed.

Who is the most DEI worthy?

 

Black man vs Mexican Man

Light skinned Black vs Darker Indian

Gay Mexican vs Lesbian Black

Mexican vs Guatemalan

Trans Latina vs Black guy in a wheel chair

African Black vs American Black 

Gay white guy with alopecia vs straight Black male

Genderqueer dark skinned Hispanic vs Non-binary obese south East Asian

 

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

Harris wasn't demonised, she was exposed. 

 

The whole point of primaries is to weed out unsuitable candidates, she failed in her first run as Democrat primary voters hated her. I'll say that again. 

 

Democrat primary voters hated her. 

 

Then some clown came up with an idea - "hey, why don't we get that woman that Democrat primary voters hate to run for President?" 

 

Have a wee think about that appalling piece of self-sabotage. 

 

It should have been an open convention. I reckon Amy Klobuchar would have beaten Trump under normal circumstances. However, that assassination attempt was the biggest turning point in the election. As someone said ( can't remember who to attribute this to" 

 

"The freaks of the night have been wakened, these people who don't care about politics but will now swing behind Trump because you can do anything but assassinate our political leaders. And if, by chance, Trump is assassinated before the election, JD Vance will win at a Reagan-level landslide." 

 

In short, many Americans will tolerate anything but bullets flying. Rumours are abounding ( and I have no idea ) that the FBI has prevented two plots to assassinate Trump at the inauguration, and there are more that they are chasing down. Hence why the inauguration has been moved indoors.  

You may have a point, although the fact she is mixed race probably did not help in a racist country.

 

Noted you have not disputed my statements with respect to policies and features of the incoming administration.

 

It's difficult to know what would be worse, a successful Trump assassination, or a failed one. Americans are paranoid enough as it is.

 

 

[Yellowtail]

Harris was mediocre student at a mediocre law school. She could have gone to Stanford, but did not make the grade, even as a black woman and family connections. 

 

She flunked the bar the first time she took it. 

 

She got a job as a prosecutor because that's where the bottom of the barrel typically takes you. 

 

She was young, single and attractive and hooked up with Willie Brown, who got her a few appointments to no-show state jobs and helped her get elected as city DA and then AG of California, and then Senator. 

 

Biden needed a black woman for VP that he could look smart next to, so he picked Harris. 

 

The longer she ran for President, the more people saw what she was. 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You may have a point, although the fact she is mixed race probably did not help in a racist country.

 

Noted you have not disputed my statements with respect to policies and features of the incoming administration.

 

It's difficult to know what would be worse, a successful Trump assassination, or a failed one. Americans are paranoid enough as it is.

 

 

1. Had Harris not been half black she never would have been considered. 

2. Had Harris not been half black she would have gotten fewer votes than she did. 

 

Obama looked a lot blacker than Harris and he did fine. 

[AgMech Cowboy]

On 1/18/2025 at 3:03 AM, Social Media said:

diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives in corporate America and educational institutions

DEI was 100% racist.

[Lacessit]

18 minutes ago, impulse said:

Two repeated examples in my career where laws and their enforcement have hurt Blacks and Women.

 

1) You can't fire a Black employee without risking a huge discrimination lawsuit...  Every employee you bring on has a risk that they won't work out, and you'll have to fire them.  What's the best way to reduce your risk of being sued for wrongful termination?  Don't hire employees that can sue you (and win) if they don't work out.

 

2) Several companies I worked for won't hire women of a certain age.  Again and again, we hired women who were already pregnant (you're not allowed to ask).  Six months later (do that math), they take their paid maternity leave, burden the company insurance policy to pay for the care, then don't come back when the mandated pregnancy leave runs out.  It was clear from the results that they just hired on for the benefits and never had any no intention of staying. 

 

Can anyone think of a good way to prevent that abuse of the laws and the system?  I can.

 

Both of those are clearly abuse of the system.  But the lawmakers (and the deep state) keep passing stupid, easy to game regulations.  The ones that are hurt are the good Black and female employees.

 

 

There are always people who game the workplace.

 

I once had a woman on my team who was with me for 7 years. In those 7 years, she only worked for two of them. The rest of the time was taken up with two pregnancies , and study for a Ph.D in environmental chemistry.

 

I told HR she was extracting the urine when she applied for the Ph.D study leave.

 

When she resigned, I did get a bit of satisfaction from rubbing HR's nose in their stupidity.

 

 

[Lacessit]

11 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

1. Had Harris not been half black she never would have been considered. 

2. Had Harris not been half black she would have gotten fewer votes than she did. 

 

Obama looked a lot blacker than Harris and he did fine. 

Perhaps you are unaware Obama is male.

 

The fact both Clinton and Harris lost to Trump convinces me Americans will never grow up enough to have a woman President.

[TedG]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Perhaps you are unaware Obama is male.

 

The fact both Clinton and Harris lost to Trump convinces me Americans will never grow up enough to have a woman President.

Maybe next time run a qualty canidate.  

[impulse]

14 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

There are always people who game the workplace.

 

I once had a woman on my team who was with me for 7 years. In those 7 years, she only worked for two of them. The rest of the time was taken up with two pregnancies , and study for a Ph.D in environmental chemistry.

 

I told HR she was extracting the urine when she applied for the Ph.D study leave.

 

When she resigned, I did get a bit of satisfaction from rubbing HR's nose in their stupidity.

 

 

 

The other situation that used to bite us regularly is the woman who was applying for a $50K job.  She'd get the job, be non-productive for 6 months going through training and learning lumps.  (normal and expected).  Then her $200K husband would get his bi-annual promotion and transfer, and she'd leave without ever having contributed anything. 

 

BTW, you're not allowed to ask her marital status, much less what her husband does.  We've been sued for even asking.

 

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

The other situation that used to bite us regularly is the woman who was applying for a $50K job.  She'd get the job, be non-productive for 6 months going through training and learning lumps.  Then her $200K husband would get his bi-annual promotion and transfer, and she'd leave without ever having contributed anything. 

 

BTW, you're not allowed to ask her marital status.  We've been sued for even asking.

 

IIRC in Australia an employer is not allowed to ask if a woman intends to start a family.

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[rasg]

On 1/18/2025 at 2:37 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

In the US, happily the biggest attempt at DEI in history was foiled as the potential POTUS was shown up to be a babbling incompetent, though it's scary that she still got as many votes as she did.

She only got as many votes as she did because there was rampant cheating again. She only won in the States where there is no voter ID and driving licenses are available to illegal immigrants. That will change soon.

[rasg]

29 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Perhaps you are unaware Obama is male.

 

The fact both Clinton and Harris lost to Trump convinces me Americans will never grow up enough to have a woman President.

They will if they find a decent female candidate.

[theblether]

14 minutes ago, rasg said:

They will if they find a decent female candidate.

 

Its a fair bet that the first female President will be Republican. It's also a fair bet that the first American Descendent of Slavery President will be a Republican. 

 

Jesse Jackson said of Obama that he "wasn't black enough." Obama said that his wife's family had the ADOS experience, not him. 

 

Kamala Harris was descended from Jamaican slavers. Unfortunately for the American Left, who tried to insinuate that it was a result of slave r*pe, they discovered that the family link was born of love long after slavery had been abolished. Harris' father disputed her "woe is me, segregation/bussing" story when she ran for President in 2019. Further, her mother was an immigrant from high caste and extraordinarily racist India. 

 

Only the Democrats could be that stupid as to put up two so-called African-Americans as President who had no Black American slave history pouring through their veins. And they wonder why the African-American vote was so poor this time round?  

[theblether]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

You may have a point, although the fact she is mixed race probably did not help in a racist country.

 

Noted you have not disputed my statements with respect to policies and features of the incoming administration.

 

It's difficult to know what would be worse, a successful Trump assassination, or a failed one. Americans are paranoid enough as it is.

 

 

 

I don't "may have a point." The point is clear and a matter of fact. 

 

As for not disputing policies with you, how about we wait until Trump starts issuing Executive Orders? Or are you that bored that you want to play Nostradamus today? 

[mrwebb8825]

On 1/17/2025 at 8:28 PM, Yagoda said:

No more celebration of the mentally ill, no more racism, no more mandatory hate sessions and America hating., what a perfect inauguration day.

all those losers are marching in DC today ahead of inauguration day. Hope they dressed warm.

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, theblether said:

 

I don't "may have a point." The point is clear and a matter of fact. 

 

As for not disputing policies with you, how about we wait until Trump starts issuing Executive Orders? Or are you that bored that you want to play Nostradamus today? 

It's your opinion, not a fact.

 

Attack the argument, not the person. Understood?

[Jingthing]

56 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

Its a fair bet that the first female President will be Republican. It's also a fair bet that the first American Descendent of Slavery President will be a Republican. 

 

Jesse Jackson said of Obama that he "wasn't black enough." Obama said that his wife's family had the ADOS experience, not him. 

 

Kamala Harris was descended from Jamaican slavers. Unfortunately for the American Left, who tried to insinuate that it was a result of slave r*pe, they discovered that the family link was born of love long after slavery had been abolished. Harris' father disputed her "woe is me, segregation/bussing" story when she ran for President in 2019. Further, her mother was an immigrant from high caste and extraordinarily racist India. 

 

Only the Democrats could be that stupid as to put up two so-called African-Americans as President who had no Black American slave history pouring through their veins. And they wonder why the African-American vote was so poor this time round?  

Are you some kind of eugenicist? 

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, theblether said:

 

An utter disgrace of a comment. You have just described one of the greatest African-American thinkers of the last 100 years as a neo-Nazi. 

 

That tells me two things about you - your lack of intellectual curiosity to investigate the man, and the type of filth you are prepared to believe. 

 

Shameful, shameful post.  

I agree he's no sort of Nazi.

But he's lionized by white nationalist maga fascists who take comfort in his false assertions that institutionalized racism doesn't exist. 

[Rampant Rabbit]

On 1/18/2025 at 2:10 PM, WDSmart said:

but all those considered must be people who meet the minimum requirements. 

By lowering the minimum requirements..........so they fit them

[Cryingdick]

57 minutes ago, theblether said:

When this forum dies, and it will. 

 

it will be due to accommodating the mentally ill.

 

 

Nah, it will be because young people don't use old school forums like this. The audience here is 60 and these days probably pushing 70.  

[theblether]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Nah, it will be because young people don't use old school forums like this. The audience here is 60 and these days probably pushing 70.  

 

This place used to be informative. 

 

It's now a repository for bitter men taking about things they can't control. 

[SiSePuede419]

While DUI hires surge. 😄

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/18/2025 at 5:57 PM, aussiebrian said:

I think most normal people will disagree to DEI.

I think most sensible people will disagree to DEI.

 

Fixed it for you.

[Lacessit]

55 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

This place used to be informative. 

 

It's now a repository for bitter men taking about things they can't control. 

IIRC there is an author called The Blether who wrote a book about why people should not retire in Thailand. Is that you?

[soalbundy]

If it helps to destroy 'woke' I'm all for it.

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I think most sensible people will disagree to DEI.

 

Fixed it for you.

I think most sensible people will  disagree WITH DEI.

 

Fixed it for you.

[thaibeachlovers]

57 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

This place used to be informative. 

 

It's now a repository for bitter men taking about things they can't control. 

Plenty of subforums that are informative on AN, but world news is not one of them, IMO.

I'm surprised that you even think it used to be informative. I've been on it a very long time and "informative" is not a word I'd use for world news.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

If it helps to destroy 'woke' I'm all for it.

If woke was made of paper we could have a big fire of it, and it would finally be worth something.

 

I just hope I'm around long enough to see woke consigned to the rubbish bin of history.