Biden pardons Fauci, Miley and Jan 6 committee staffers!

[herfiehandbag]

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Not True

Oh for goodness sake, we've all watched it innumerable times!

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Oh for goodness sake, we've all watched it innumerable times!

Oh for goodness sake, we don't all watch CNBC 

[Yagoda]

The crime family always protects itself. 

 

I love the spin from the supporters of criminals.

 

I know, Trump is a "felon" LOL

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I know, Trump is a "felon" LOL

Not for long...

[stevenl]

11 hours ago, riclag said:

Looks like Bidens handlers are anxious!

Guilt complex much?
 

Why the pardon they haven't been officially accused of any wrongdoing!

 

https://nypost.com/2025/01/20/us-news/biden-pardons-fauci-milley-and-jan-6-committee-staffers-in-final-hours-of-presidency/

 

 

Rightfully so. If trump is only half as vindictive as the posters on here he would have gone after them. They did their duty and deserve thanks and protection.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, Will B Good said:

1. Michael Flynn: Trump’s former National Security Advisor, who had pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI during the Russia investigation.

2. Roger Stone: A longtime ally and political consultant convicted of obstruction, witness tampering, and lying to Congress.

3. Paul Manafort: Trump’s former campaign chairman, convicted of financial crimes stemming from the Mueller investigation.

4. Steve Bannon: A former White House strategist pardoned for charges related to defrauding donors in a “We Build the Wall” fundraising campaign.

5. Charles Kushner: Jared Kushner’s father, convicted of tax evasion, witness tampering, and illegal campaign donations.

6. George Papadopoulos: A former Trump campaign advisor who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI during the Russia probe.

 

I guess having announced there would be four years lawfare and retribution......... preemptive pardons were definitely on the cards.

Explain how someone can be pardoned when someone hasn't been convicted of anything? Does the pardon state what crime they are guilty of but haven't been convicted for?

If it's just a general pardon for any crime they might have committed- what if they murdered someone in the past- will they be pardoned for that too? Does the pardon extend to the future- just imagine what one could do if one had that sort of pardon. I read a science fiction story about being able to buy a pre emptive pardon for future crimes, so one could go out and murder someone and not go to prison.

 

Is the US political system a bad joke?

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Rightfully so. If trump is only half as vindictive as the posters on here he would have gone after them. They did their duty and deserve thanks and protection.

Fauci lying to Congress was "his duty"*?. Mark Milley making contact with china behind the back of his Commander in Chief was his "duty"? The Bidens were doing their "duty"?

 

Another furriner that knows nothing more than reflexive Trump obsession and anti Americanism

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Rightfully so. If trump is only half as vindictive as the posters on here he would have gone after them. They did their duty and deserve thanks and protection.

Their duty required  breaking the law? 

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Is the US political system a bad joke?

It was. Its a new day.

[herfiehandbag]

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

It was. Its a new day.

Yes: "I was sent by God to make America great again"!

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Explain how someone can be pardoned when someone hasn't been convicted of anything? Does the pardon state what crime they are guilty of but haven't been convicted for?

If it's just a general pardon for any crime they might have committed- what if they murdered someone in the past- will they be pardoned for that too? Does the pardon extend to the future- just imagine what one could do if one had that sort of pardon. I read a science fiction story about being able to buy a pre emptive pardon for future crimes, so one could go out and murder someone and not go to prison.

 

Is the US political system a bad joke?

Not for future crimes. So if anyone that has been pardoned, commits another crime, they can be prosecuted. 

 

The pardons also do not extend to state crimes, so any state committed could be prosecuted. 

 

For example, if one of the pardoned commits perjury or refuses to testify, they could be prosecuted. 

 

Or if they are found to have recorded a payment to their attorney as a legal expense, they could be prosecuted.  

[connda]

I imagine that the preemptive pardons will find their way to the SCOTUS.  If preemptive pardons are allowed to stand then government officials are basically given a "get out of jail free" card for committing illegal acts during the tenure of an administration if the administration covers their illegal acts during and then post-administration via preemptive pardons. That is a slippery slope and not what the author's of the Constitution had in mind.
That will be taken to court.

[Yagoda]

10 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Yes: "I was sent by God to make America great again"!

Nothing wrong with a mission. He just signed an order designating the Mexican cartels as terrorist organizations and refused to rule out the use of the military against them. 

 

Bout time, thank god

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, connda said:

I imagine that the preemptive pardons will find their way to the SCOTUS.  If preemptive pardons are allowed to stand then government officials are basically given a "get out of jail free" card for committing illegal acts during the tenure of an administration if the administration covers their illegal acts during and then post-administration via preemptive pardons. That is a slippery slope and not what the author's of the Constitution had in mind.
That will be taken to court.

That should make some folks nervous LOL.

[stevenl]

17 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Their duty required  breaking the law? 

They didn't break the law. See biden's statement.

[Yagoda]

Just now, stevenl said:

They didn't break the law. See biden's statement.

Really? And what do you base your opinion on? Joe Biden?

[Yellowtail]

Just now, stevenl said:

They didn't break the law. See biden's statement.

Yes, they did, Biden's a liar. 

[herfiehandbag]

8 minutes ago, connda said:

I imagine that the preemptive pardons will find their way to the SCOTUS.  If preemptive pardons are allowed to stand then government officials are basically given a "get out of jail free" card for committing illegal acts during the tenure of an administration if the administration covers their illegal acts during and then post-administration via preemptive pardons. That is a slippery slope and not what the author's of the Constitution had in mind.
That will be taken to court.

So sort of like the concept of Presidential Immunity which they rather endorsed then?

[Yagoda]

Just now, herfiehandbag said:

So sort of like the concept of Presidential Immunity which they rather endorsed then?

Its not a concept, its the law. 

[atpeace]

Not a good look for Biden or the democratic party. I voted for this idiot in 2016 and he has tarnished my reputation 🙂

[jas007]

51 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Rightfully so. If trump is only half as vindictive as the posters on here he would have gone after them. They did their duty and deserve thanks and protection.

Of course, it never crossed your mind that real crimes may have been committed? Or do you think "just following orders" makes it all OK? 

[jerrymahoney]

42 minutes ago, connda said:

That will be taken to court.

See Ford pardons Nixon 1974 granting a full and unconditional pardon to Richard Nixon, his predecessor, for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president.

[stevenl]

28 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Of course, it never crossed your mind that real crimes may have been committed? Or do you think "just following orders" makes it all OK? 

Lol, better stick to your own thinking process, not someone else's.

 

Which real crimes have been committed in your opinion?

[LosLobo]

10 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Quite right. Never really knew about pre-emptive pardons until recently. As for false equivalence exactly where is it that I employed this misleading tactic and where can my logic be seen as logical fallacy? Maybe you could have the decency to point this out rather than just attack with word salad with phrases you more than likely don't fully grasp.

 

Seems you failed to read the article that the OP was based on. So, you decided to opine on a topic you admittedly don’t comprehend, armed with nothing but misplaced confidence and a complete lack of reasoning. Bravo.
 

Perhaps you could honor the effort your college lecturers invested in your education by respecting facts, logic, and basic intellectual rigor instead of diving headfirst into topics beyond your ken.
 

I admit I was remiss in not providing a full analysis of your logical missteps earlier but considering your self-professed struggle with my 'word salad,' it seems in retrospect that keeping things simple was the better approach. However, since you’ve requested it, here’s your analysis:

1. False Equivalence:
   In your post, you compare preemptive pardons to the typical notion of pardons (given after conviction). But these two things are not truly equivalent. Preemptive pardons are authorized by a president's discretion before any crime is proven or even committed. Comparing this to regular pardons, which are only granted after conviction, creates a false equivalence, as they serve different legal purposes and are applied under different conditions.

2. Begging the Question:
   You’re essentially assuming that preemptive pardons are invalid simply because they don't match the standard understanding of pardons (i.e., after a conviction). This creates a circular argument, where the premise is assumed to be true without support. In other words, you’re suggesting preemptive pardons don’t make sense because they don’t fit your understanding of how pardons work—without actually addressing the legal framework or history behind them.

So, the flaws in your reasoning stem from misunderstanding the nature of preemptive pardons and assuming they’re wrong just because they’re unfamiliar to you. Preemptive pardons are a legitimate legal tool designed to protect against potential misuse of power, not an admission of guilt.

I hope this helps clear things up!

[Yagoda]

30 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Not a good look for Biden or the democratic party. I voted for this idiot in 2016 and he has tarnished my reputation 🙂

Kudos. Diogenes Lantern shines on you

[mogandave]

26 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

See Ford pardons Nixon 1974 granting a full and unconditional pardon to Richard Nixon, his predecessor, for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president.

I do not think the Nixon pardon was challenged. 

 

These could be. 

[spidermike007]

People forget Fauci deliberately suppressed the first round of drugs created for people with HIV, resulting in countless deaths from AIDS. He was a military scientist and was involved in the Wuhan lab for decades. Nobody has any idea the extent to which this man has engaged in nefarious activity. Then the vaccine push. And the total rejection of anyone who questioned anything about the narrative. I could go on. 

[frank83628]

8 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

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Biden announces blanket pardon for his brother James, burying family influence-peddling probe for good

https://nypost.com/2025/01/20/us-news/biden-pardons-his-brother-james-biden/

 

“I believe in the rule of law...... the mere fact of being investigated or prosecuted can irreparably damage their reputations and finances.”
 
Biden added: “That is why I am exercising my power under the Constitution to pardon James B. Biden, Sara Jones Biden, Valerie Biden Owens, John T. Owens, and Francis W. Biden.

Remember the frothing and screetching when they thought Trump would pardon his family...no look... no count those same people will rush to defend Biden and move the goalposts any which way they can. The hypocracy and double standards from the anti trump mob is off the charts.

[mogandave]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

People forget Fauci deliberately suppressed the first round of drugs created for people with HIV, resulting in countless deaths from AIDS. He was a military scientist and was involved in the Wuhan lab for decades. Nobody has any idea the extent to which this man has engaged in nefarious activity. Then the vaccine push. And the total rejection of anyone who questioned anything about the narrative. I could go on. 

Yes, a hero to the left.

[frank83628]

13 hours ago, riclag said:

Looks like Bidens handlers are anxious!

Guilt complex much?
 

Why the pardon they haven't been officially accused of any wrongdoing!

 

https://nypost.com/2025/01/20/us-news/biden-pardons-fauci-milley-and-jan-6-committee-staffers-in-final-hours-of-presidency/

 

 

Fauci is guilty of bring COVID to the world through GOF reserch.

With all the intelligence and spying, both covert and overt the Americans still after 4 years cannot specifically identify the origins of covid and who was responsible. 

Seem the vast majority just believe everything they're told with out question