Afghan man stabs and kills two in Germany, including a toddler others injured

[Hamus Yaigh]

Double post sorry.

[Hamus Yaigh]

16 hours ago, blaze master said:

That's a neat way of putting it Muslims are a race ? I didn't know that.  You learn something new every day.

Try not to cherry pick and deflect. I said "...there’s no one religion, race, or ethnicity that has a monopoly on "crazy" people."

[spidermike007]

I suggest that a much higher threshold be put on potential Muslim immigrants worldwide then on any other group of people especially if these people are either Saudi or from a Muslim country that practices and extreme form of Islam. 

 

One can’t understand the global system underpinning extremism without surveying the pivotal role played by the Saudi government as well as private organizations and individuals within the kingdom. In recent decades, the Saudis have spent up to an estimated $100 billion spreading Wahhabism and perpetuating the notion that they are Islam’s caretaker. Their methods to persuade and influence run the gamut and include the funding of mosques, schools, textbooks, imams, imam learning centers and exchanges, cultural institutions around the world. The Saudis don’t simply want their extreme form of religious practice and belief to prevail. Religious forces in the kingdom, backed by the ruling family, want to destroy other, local traditions within Islam. To that end, they are rewriting history, erasing evidence of the past to favor their own narrative—a move that ideologically aligned extremists in many parts of the world have since copied.

 

The relationship between the Saudis and extremism is not merely one of affinity. The Saudi government and Saudi individuals have directly supported terrorist groups in the Middle East and beyond. 

 

If you talking about the security of a Nation you need to be able to keep track of troublemakers and while they're at it they should definitely ban the the niqab and burqa. Both are offensive, and both show a deliberate unwillingness to assimilate. It might work back in your home nation, and it might have worked 700 years ago, but it doesn't work today not in the West.

 

Something must be done to keep out the extremist super freaks. Their religion may work for them in Saudi, Kuwait, Yemen, Sudan or Somalia. That same ultra conservative fanatislcism, is not wanted, needed, nor desirable in Western nations. Only moderates need apply should be the policy. And there should be a standard of willingness to assimilate, and the burden should be on the family to prove the burden is met.

 

I believe immigration policy should be reformed to the point where it should be staged, and all Muslim families should show a willingness to assimilate. I also believe that families with Muslim daughters who are teenagers can start by proving that they have participated in a bikini contest, and for teenage boys they must show a burden of proof that they're not affiliated with any of the local madrasas. 

 

Are we serious about keeping our nation's safe from extremists, or not? 

 

[Neeranam]

9 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The relationship between the Saudis and extremism is not merely one of affinity. The Saudi government and Saudi individuals have directly supported terrorist groups in the Middle East and beyond. 

Do you think these terrorist groups were formed in a vacuum or was there some kind of resistance to foreign invasion/occupation/Colonialism?

[Neeranam]

11 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I believe immigration policy should be reformed to the point where it should be staged, and all Muslim families should show a willingness to assimilate. I also believe that families with Muslim daughters who are teenagers can start by proving that they have participated in a bikini contest, and for teenage boys they must show a burden of proof that they're not affiliated with any of the local madrasas. 

You are joking I hope?

What you write is  intolerant and discriminatory nonsense  that goes against the fundamental principles of equality, freedom, and non-discrimination which we have in both the UK and US Constitutions.

What else do you suggest, forcing Hindus to eat Beef or other religions bacon?

As an immigrant yourself, I truly hope you are making a poor attempt at humour only. 

[Neeranam]

15 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

He was Afghani - Afghanistan is an overwhelmingly Muslim country with Sunni Muslims accounting for approximately 85-90% of the population and Shia Muslims for approximately 10-15% of the population. 

 

So yes, absolutely I am 'stating' that there is an overwhelming probability that he was Muslim and mostly likely Sunni Muslim....   

What about the percentages of those who have fled Afghanistan? You'll find that very different; the one who are other religions or non practising Muslims.  It's weird the number I talk to who say they are not affiliated with a religion, despite coming from a Christian country, yet brand all those from a Muslim country fanatics or fundamentalists, bizarre. 

[Yagoda]

This is part of an existential war and payback should be swift and harsh.

[Will B Good]

14 hours ago, sungod said:

 

Thats just the US, what about the rest of the world?

 

Out of date data too, try harder please.

Pathetic response as usual.

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Do you think these terrorist groups were formed in a vacuum or was there some kind of resistance to foreign invasion/occupation/Colonialism?

I am a big believer in blowback and I think we're looking at a couple of centuries of blowback due to colonialism and extremist behavior on the part of the Israeli government. But there are a lot of other factors and Wahhibish was created long before blowback. Ha! 

 

The secondary aspect of this is just the utter and complete refusal of some parts of the population to assimilate on any level that is dangerous for society especially when you're talking about a population that  propagates like rabbits, regardless of their financial status. 

[Neeranam]

7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The secondary aspect of this is just the utter and complete refusal of some parts of the population to assimilate on any level that is dangerous for society

Is it that bad?

Dangerous to society, I disagree, diversity is good for society.

Assimilation or integration and at what levels, this is of course important. Where I live in Thailand, there is very little integration with the local culture, even from those marrying locals. Should they, I, abandon their cultural identity? I say no, I maintain my Scots identity, I celebrate Hallow's Eve, BUT integrate into the local society.

Look at the Irish in Boston, or the Mexicans in LA, or the Brits in Pattaya

13 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

especially when you're talking about a population that  propagates like rabbits, regardless of their financial status. 

Saying certain populations "propagatelike rabbits" is a baseless and offensive stereotype. Integration is a two-way street that requires mutual respect and understanding.