Trump’s $500 Billion AI Plan Leaves Europe in the Dust

[Chomper Higgot]

11 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

They are talking about using to to cure cancer for starters. As far as NVDA goes one case use of their chip is the omniverse. Where you can for example, build a factory in VR and test every system, and component as if it were real. So you can back test. And make everything more efficient and spot problems. If you don't know what AI will do maybe you should try using google a little more.

 

I use AI almost everyday. If you want to build a house give the deminesions and window and door holes and you will know to the exact piece of wood how many boards you need to frame it. I used it to put solar in my camper. Instead of figuring it out I asked Chat GPT a few simpl.e questions to figure out charge rates and draw downs and saved a lot of time.

 

I want to plant my land in Florida. You can google plants but AI can compare them assess rain conditions soil types etc. It plans trips very well. People even use it to post replies to ignorant people online saving valuable time.

 

For example I could ask Chat GPT why AI is more than a glorified google search and your comment would look extremely silly.

 

If you can't make use of AI in the very near future you will not have a future. AI is useful for people that strive to be productive. 

“If you can't make use of AI in the very near future you will not have a future. AI is useful for people that strive to be productive.”

 

That’s fine and dandy until AI replaces the ‘you’.

 

AI is useful for businesses that want to exactly that.

[Cryingdick]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“If you can't make use of AI in the very near future you will not have a future. AI is useful for people that strive to be productive.”

 

That’s fine and dandy until AI replaces the ‘you’.

 

AI is useful for businesses that want to exactly that.

i pass the test.

[Yagoda]

I love the sour grapes, especially from the euros who's cradle to grave welfare is being threatened by the concept of defending themselves.

 

Anybody that wants to join the bandwagon is welcome. As to the rest, it sucks to be you.

[Peterphuket]

15 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

 

Yes I own shares of them. Dutch fab that specializes in lithography. They haven't being doing so well lately as they are down something like 40%, I still like them though.I own shares in ARM as well. That's two I

guess add SAP out of Germany and after that there isn't much. 

 

Those aren't exactly household names. Europe doesn't have a single mega cap tech. i don't think they have ever produced a trillion dollar company at all. 

Oh, how about Philips?

[SiSePuede419]

On 1/24/2025 at 3:07 AM, Social Media said:

The United States has launched an ambitious $500 billion artificial intelligence initiative that threatens to overshadow European efforts and cement U.S. dominance in the AI race.

How's that European space program going? 

Land on the moon yet? 

 

America did that already in the 60s with <deleted> analog computers and a software program where the female programmer was explicitly told not to include error handling because the astronauts will never make a mistake. 

 

Spoiler: They made a mistake and had to quickly enter a long sequence of commands to recover.

 

Anyway, don't look back. 

 

India's space program is catching up with you. 😭

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Another hate-filled leftist casts doubt on the 500 billion dollar project. 

 

Musk Pours Cold Water on Trump-Backed Stargate AI Project
Billionaire says companies behind the project don’t have enough money to follow through on pledges

“They don’t actually have the money,” Musk wrote at 11:35 p.m. Eastern time Tuesday, replying to a post from OpenAI, the ChatGPT maker that announced the joint venture with global tech investor SoftBank Group and database company Oracle. At 12:57 a.m. Wednesday, Musk added, “SoftBank has well under $10B secured. I have that on good authority.”

https://archive.ph/0ym9s#selection-5663.0-5667.98

 

 

 

[FritsSikkink]

On 1/24/2025 at 5:14 AM, Cryingdick said:

Europe doesn't really have tech companies anyway. 

Like you would know.

[mrwebb8825]

On 1/23/2025 at 4:25 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

I fear that the outcome of AI is not going to be very good for Joe Average, and even Jack Middle Class as AI can destroy almost every job that uses computers or a robot.

Unless very strong protections are put in place along with the project, I doubt if we even understand how far reaching AI on this scale is going to affect most of us.

 

Also, who is going to benefit from the new technology, average citizens or the 1 %?

 

This is really going where no man has gone before.

Have no fear, I've seen this before. "And a boy shall lead them..."

The army of the future sends a terminator reprogrammed to be a protector back in time to make sure the leader of the future army isn't killed. I'm sure we'll hear about it on the news.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/24/2025 at 3:09 PM, Denim said:

 

 

Stargate ??   Nah ............Skynet !!!    Might as well follow the script.

 

 

That may not be too far off the real plan.

 

When there are billions of $ in profit to make, one can always see the dead hand of the 1% at work.

Follow the money.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/25/2025 at 1:01 AM, Purdey said:

No money to repair roads and bridges but loads of cash for tech?

There isn't as much profit in infrastructure as there is in screwing the serfs.

 

Meanwhile, watch out for the tech heads q'ing up to get a chip implanted in their brain as it's going to make their lives so good.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, mrwebb8825 said:

Have no fear, I've seen this before. "And a boy shall lead them..."

The army of the future sends a terminator reprogrammed to be a protector back in time to make sure the leader of the future army isn't killed. I'm sure we'll hear about it on the news.

Is that an attempt to deflect from the serious nature of what I wrote, or because you are as spaced as your emoji?

[MicroB]

Its (upto) $500bn pledged by American and Arab investors over the next 5 years. Musk is probably right that its not enough, The press releases are promising to cure cancer with this. They also came up with a bizarre telehealth application that will enable rural docotrs to understand how top city doctors treat patients. Er, they already do this. Its called Google (or your favourite search engine). Whoever came up with this doesn't understand medical malpractice law, which restricts what doctors want to do for fear of being sued. This is why treatment guidelines exist. Follow the guidelines, and even if the patient dies, you can't be blamed, as you did your best. Do something different, well, you're on your own in the Court.

 

The numbers invested in AI is vast. I have a vested interest in this. In the last  5 years, US Companies have raised about $400 bn in investment in AI technologies. There are similar numbers elsewhere. And that's just healthcare. The $500bn is cross-sector, mainly to build infrastructure. Say there is $100 bn set aside for healthcare. Its a decent amount, but not transformative in the way portrayed. Like any of these transformative projects, such as the Manhattan Project, Roosevelt's March of Dimes, The Human Genome Project, Operation Warpspeed, for Project Stargate to succeed, it need public money, not just an elected official turning a blind eye to regulation.

 

There is going to be conflict coming up among American concservatives soon in healthcare. Currently the market is infected with unregulated healthcare Apps, powered by AI. Some are good, many are not. The FDA, itself created because of mistakes when the first polio vaccines were produced, is in charge of regulating medical and therapeutic products in the US.

 

With AI, they are facing a similar challenge to when genetic tests first appeared in the 1980s. Back then, the FDA didn't really understand these tests, and couldn't keep pace. So they decided, back then, that a competant lab could be trusted to understand how to do the tests, and understand what the results mean, so introduced "CLIA waived" tests, so that innovative breakthroughs wouldn't be held up with red tape. Sounds a good idea, right, trust the experts. 40 years on, the labs are performing tests that they don't understand the  results of, and the testing companies now are trying to shortcut the doctors with direct to consumer tests. Its a mess.

 

Not wanting to repeat this, the FDA wants to be more careful with AI. It needs congressional approval to allow the FDA, ie the Federal government, to access the medical records of all Americans, in order to test the efficacy of these new Apps. The Prize is great; a potential transformation in medicine, but is the price worth it? In dystopian fiction, when governments get hold of citizen biometrics, it usually doesn't end well. Now, that's fiction, and plenty of politicians in the US these days seem to base their world view using fiction. The EU is losing out on AI Healthcare innovation because EU regulators are very keen to protect the medical records of EU Citizens.  This hobbles companies with smaller training datasets compared to competitors in, say, China. AI success in healthcare is largely dependant on which country is willing to monetize their population's health. The UK does this quite well, given the NHS holds the world's largest single healthcare system medical record repository.

 

For healthcare, AI cannot be a nationalist pursuit. It needs global cooperation, to prevent malevolant actors  pursue their own agendas. Thats why the Human Genome Project was international; to sequence the human genome, so no one country would own the sequence. The US missed a Leadership opportunity. It could have lead an effort to harness the benefits of AI for all mankind, instead its gone for the short term profit direction.

 

People complain about "Big Pharma", that it doesn't have the interest of patients at its heart, and that's partly true. Before WW2, the Pharmaceutical Industry didn't really exist. Your medicines came from chemical companies. But then WW2 came, and the plans to liberate Europe. The Allies wanted penicillin, lots of it, in time for Overlord. The Americans awarded the contract to a few quite small companies, Abbott, Pfizer, Merck and Bristol-Myers Squibb, all now among the biggest corporations in the world. They  never looked back.

 

 

 

[MicroB]

17 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

How's that European space program going? 

Land on the moon yet? 

 

America did that already in the 60s with <deleted> analog computers and a software program where the female programmer was explicitly told not to include error handling because the astronauts will never make a mistake. 

 

Spoiler: They made a mistake and had to quickly enter a long sequence of commands to recover.

 

Anyway, don't look back. 

 

India's space program is catching up with you. 😭

 

Once you understand the current investment in AI going on over the last half decade, you realise that half a trillion isn't that much.

 

The Moon Landings were funded by government. Project Stargate has zero government money, just a pledge by government to step aside. AI needs training dataset, very big datasets. It gets that largely from government handing over essentially public property.

 

And America did it largely with Nazi scientist knowhow. They were lucky that they captured the right scientists.

 

[RuamRudy]

On 1/25/2025 at 10:14 AM, Yagoda said:

I love the sour grapes, especially from the euros who's cradle to grave welfare is being threatened by the concept of defending themselves.

 

Anybody that wants to join the bandwagon is welcome. As to the rest, it sucks to be you.

 

American dominance in AI is so yesterday. Today,the Chinese are walking all over you. 

 

How China’s new AI model DeepSeek is threatening U.S. dominance

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/01/24/how-chinas-new-ai-model-deepseek-is-threatening-us-dominance.html

[Yagoda]

8 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

American dominance in AI is so yesterday. Today,the Chinese are walking all over you. 

 

How China’s new AI model DeepSeek is threatening U.S. dominance

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/01/24/how-chinas-new-ai-model-deepseek-is-threatening-us-dominance.html

Guess that either sucks to be you, whose very existence on this open speechifying Board is guaranteed by my tax dollars, or you are just a shill for China, of which there are many. But lets test:

 

Hey China shill, whats your youth unemployment rate? How about your housing vacancy rate? Your actual GDP? Are your growth numbers real? Any of your pilots ever flown a combat mission? Are you seeking to impose hegemony on the South China sea?

 

In the same fashion that I consistently predicted Trumps win, the AI war will be won by the USA. A socialist state is incapable of matching the overall scientific achievements of Western Capitalism.

[phetphet]

On 1/24/2025 at 5:32 AM, Cryingdick said:

It isn't going to work for a lot of people that think work brings dignity to their lives. Humans will have to evolve to a state of mind where the robots work for us and we do what we want. Many people will end up hurt in the mean time. I am not a big fan of UBI but it will have to become the norm at some point.

 

Not sure how to do it but let's say you replace a worker that earns $50K a year with a robot. That robot needs to be taxed for $50k a year. So the government get's it's tax and the worker gets his share. 

You are presuming the government or the capitalist boss will want to pay the now redundant worker anything at all.

There will of course be mass worldwide unemployment, so I suppose they will have to pay something to prevent said workers rising up. Or send in the robot police and soldiers. The Terminator might still yet come true.

Only recently I was telling our daughter that nowadays, before going to university, students should take into consideration which jobs are less likely to be taken away by AI.

[RuamRudy]

8 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Guess that either sucks to be you, whose very existence on this open speechifying Board is guaranteed by my tax dollars, or you are just a shill for China, of which there are many. But lets test:

 

Hey China shill, whats your youth unemployment rate? How about your housing vacancy rate? Your actual GDP? Are your growth numbers real? Any of your pilots ever flown a combat mission? Are you seeking to impose hegemony on the South China sea?

 

In the same fashion that I consistently predicted Trumps win, the AI war will be won by the USA. A socialist state is incapable of matching the overall scientific achievements of Western Capitalism.

 

Your cries are too late - you've already lost the fight you didn't even know you were in. 

 

 

[Yagoda]

8 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Your cries are too late - you've already lost the fight you didn't even know you were in. 

 

 

Well I guess I see you in a reeducation camp Comrade. Im sure you will be outside the wire.

[RuamRudy]

13 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Well I guess I see you in a reeducation camp Comrade. Im sure you will be outside the wire.

 

Stock up on those drumpcoins, you might be able to bribe your way out. 

[tomazbodner]

On 1/24/2025 at 3:07 AM, Social Media said:

However, the sheer scale of the U.S. investment dwarfs European ambitions, highlighting a growing focus in Washington on countering China's influence in the field.

And despite starting from first position, US is already falling aside... So possibly too little, too late.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/747a7b11-dcba-4aa5-8d25-403f56216d7e

 

DeepSeek, founded by hedge fund manager Liang Wenfeng, released its R1 model on Monday, explaining in a detailed paper how to build a large language model on a bootstrapped budget that can automatically learn and improve itself without human supervision.

 

The challenge of this is that DeepSeek only uses below 5% of resources large AI players in US do, and that it gives it away for free, rather than 200$/month OpenAI charges. This puts expectations of making large returns on investment in US-based AI field on thin ice. One also needs to remember that OpenAI loses amounted to $5 billion in 2024 and are increasing due to "high usage" of their paid plans, which cost them a lot more to run than $200/month customers are paying for it. It is expected OpenAI to suffer losses of over $14 billion by 2026.

 

Hence for users, DeepSeek seems a clear winner, just don't ask it anything about China.

 

For investors, though... now that Wenfeng opened the Pandora box and told everyone how to build a model that beats OpenAI at a fraction of cost... to me this is like a Linux moment.

 

Let's see what comes out of this but I think US is bound to lose supremacy battle, with or without the $500 billion from Japanese, which they don't have anyway.

[tomazbodner]

44 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

In the same fashion that I consistently predicted Trumps win, the AI war will be won by the USA. A socialist state is incapable of matching the overall scientific achievements of Western Capitalism.

I am sure someone said something similar about their technological advancements 20-30 years back....

 

And don't ever look at China as a socialist or communist state. They are the worst example of turbo capitalism, hiding behind communist mask.

[candide]

For those interested by more than bar stool rants about China's capabilities in AI, here's an interesting report. It's from August 2024, so nearly outdated (without deepseek)! 🙂

https://itif.org/publications/2024/08/26/how-innovative-is-china-in-ai/

 

A website comparing AIs

https://artificialanalysis.ai/

[MicroB]

12 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Guess that either sucks to be you, whose very existence on this open speechifying Board is guaranteed by my tax dollars, or you are just a shill for China, of which there are many. But lets test:

 

Hey China shill, whats your youth unemployment rate? How about your housing vacancy rate? Your actual GDP? Are your growth numbers real? Any of your pilots ever flown a combat mission? Are you seeking to impose hegemony on the South China sea?

 

In the same fashion that I consistently predicted Trumps win, the AI war will be won by the USA. A socialist state is incapable of matching the overall scientific achievements of Western Capitalism.

 

 

A shill for China or a shil for an American Nazi. What's the difference? You want to establish a hegomony in the Arctic Ocean through military conquest or bribing people to betray their country.

 

America turned from being a backward nation of religious extremists  thanks to Slater the Traitor. Without that, you will still be at home, eating turnips, and burning witches.

 

Remember, the AI project you are jacking off to is being bankrolled not by hardworking American capitalists, but by Arabs. You know, the semi-literate Bedu  who through sheer chance are sitting on a lake of the black stuff. What religion are they? Ah, Islam, mostly of the Salafist/Wahabist type.  They didn't get rich through Western Capitalism.

 

What does the end of an AI war look like? Not good really. The late Jame Lovelock, the greatest scientist since Isaac Newton, was right about everything in life. Before he passed, he had this to say on the upcoming Novocene.

 

What's your price to turn. Everyone has a price (according tou you).

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, MicroB said:

A shill for China or a shil for an American Nazi. What's the difference? You want to establish a hegomony in the Arctic Ocean through military conquest or bribing people to betray their country.

 

Americans are not "Nazis", because they are Socialists. If you didnt know, we are capitalist freedom lovers over here, not Socialists like the National Socialists. 

And yes, in the interests of our nation and world peace, we should have hegemony in a major portion of the Arctic.

1 hour ago, MicroB said:

America turned from being a backward nation of religious extremists  thanks to Slater the Traitor. Without that, you will still be at home, eating turnips, and burning witches.

You need to explain that silliness a bit better. Who is Slater? What does witch burning 300 years ago have to do with anyhting?

 

1 hour ago, MicroB said:

emember, the AI project you are jacking off to is being bankrolled not by hardworking American capitalists, but by Arabs. You know, the semi-literate Bedu  who through sheer chance are sitting on a lake of the black stuff. What religion are they? Ah, Islam, mostly of the Salafist/Wahabist type.  They didn't get rich through Western Capitalism.

 

And? What is the point of your inarticulate screeching?

[ukrules]

The Chinese just destroyed the AI market in the US for the general consumer which is where all the money comes from - the mass market.

I think they're (Deepseek) lying about the cost and effort involved but they appear to have given it away as well by releasing the whole thing for free. They claim it was done as a side project over a few months.

This is a massive game changer all the same and it leaves companies like Meta far behind.

The next step is for people to modify it and alter the built in censorship and bias that comes with all these models regardless of where they originate - which will happen over the next weeks and months.

I expect the markets to react to this very negatively, in fact it could be the end of one era and the beginning of a new one.