Lawyer criticised for opposing equal marriage in Thailand

[NoshowJones]

4 hours ago, portisaacozzy said:

there has been thousands and thousands of adoptiions [ ever heard of Elton John ! ] the problem is in your head,did you perhaps have a very close family member ?????

Peltin Elton?? Is he an example to follow?? A serious question here. How is it decided who is the wife and who is the husband? Do they flip a coin or what?

[hotchilli]

1 hour ago, connda said:

If you really interact within a Thai community like I do, one thing you'll know - adoption is a pretty loose term.
A whole lot, maybe even a majority, of Thai kids are raised by someone other than their biological parents. Out in rural Thailand many kids of the truly impoverished simple fall outside the government's purview and end up being raised by whomever will take them in.  Unlike the nanny-state West, there is no Social Services networks out here which gets involved in "child welfare," so the villagers take care of it themselves as they have been doing forever.
In the West under the guise of "child welfare" the state end up screwing up the lives of kids; in near third-world countries like Thailand, "the village" takes care of their own.  I personally prefer the latter model.  It's humane. The West's "child welfare" model is a sterile abomination.
Fyi - I would have adopted my Thai son but the freaking Thai government put up too many roadblocks, "ai farang," if you catch my drift.  Outside of a legal context it doesn't matter, he's still my now grown son, and I'm his father. We just don't have a piece of paper from the government stating that, but not having a piece of paper doesn't negate the fact. Probably most non-biological parents who raised Thai kids don't have a piece of paper stating they are "parents."  Like I said, with the the context of "the village" it just doesn't matter - the village knows.

I agree with you on all of the above, but any adoption to same sex couples must be carefully looked into and after the adoption, with frequent visits and counseling to make sure things are as they should be for all parties.

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, connda said:

If you really interact within a Thai community like I do, one thing you'll know - adoption is a pretty loose term.
A whole lot, maybe even a majority, of Thai kids are raised by someone other than their biological parents. Out in rural Thailand many kids of the truly impoverished simple fall outside the government's purview and end up being raised by whomever will take them in.  Unlike the nanny-state West, there is no Social Services networks out here which gets involved in "child welfare," so the villagers take care of it themselves as they have been doing forever.
In the West under the guise of "child welfare" the state end up screwing up the lives of kids; in near third-world countries like Thailand, "the village" takes care of their own.  I personally prefer the latter model.  It's humane. The West's "child welfare" model is a sterile abomination.
Fyi - I would have adopted my Thai son but the freaking Thai government put up too many roadblocks, "ai farang," if you catch my drift.  Outside of a legal context it doesn't matter, he's still my now grown son, and I'm his father. We just don't have a piece of paper from the government stating that, but not having a piece of paper doesn't negate the fact. Probably most non-biological parents who raised Thai kids don't have a piece of paper stating they are "parents."  Like I said, with the the context of "the village" it just doesn't matter - the village knows.

I looked into this for a long time. In the end i found out how it works. The thai adoption process follows the rules of the home country. So in my case we couldn't adopt for a few reasons, the main ones being that there was a direct relationship between the kid and my wife (she's his grandmother) and the age difference was too big.

[Hermes Live]

In my past, firm friendships  were formed between people, male to male, female to female, it did not necessarily lead to single sex marriages. The world is going down the gurgler. Why complicate friendships by getting married and facing the inherent responsibilities brought on by same sex marriages. By all means stay in strong friendships and do what you want but do not flaunt your new found thrill. I'm not a prude by any means but respect reason for biological difference.

[SiSePuede419]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It is definitely not a simple yes or no question.

Wrong. ❌

Opinion not based on facts.

Homosexual children do not "copy" their heterosexual parents in terms of sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is not learned through observation or upbringing; rather, it is an intrinsic part of an individual's identity that emerges naturally over time.

 

Homosexual individuals may, however, be influenced by their upbringing in terms of behavior, cultural values, or how they express themselves. For example, they might adopt certain relationship norms or attitudes toward family life from their parents. But this does not change their sexual orientation—it simply reflects their social environment.

 

In essence, a child raised by heterosexual parents might grow up with a heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or other orientation, as these aspects of identity are innate and not a result of mimicry.

[OneMoreFarang]

17 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Wrong. ❌

Opinion not based on facts.

Homosexual children do not "copy" their heterosexual parents in terms of sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is not learned through observation or upbringing; rather, it is an intrinsic part of an individual's identity that emerges naturally over time.

 

Homosexual individuals may, however, be influenced by their upbringing in terms of behavior, cultural values, or how they express themselves. For example, they might adopt certain relationship norms or attitudes toward family life from their parents. But this does not change their sexual orientation—it simply reflects their social environment.

 

In essence, a child raised by heterosexual parents might grow up with a heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or other orientation, as these aspects of identity are innate and not a result of mimicry.

Thank you for repeating what I said in other words.

[thesetat]

2 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Why all this BS posts Its "LAW NOW"  like it or not !!

Yep... and if they keep it, they will continue to have a future population problem with many old and not so many young Thais. They are digging themselves in a hole for wokeism. 

I really hate that what you say against this topic is immediately complained about by those who support it. They can say anything bad about people who are not gay or in a same sex situation... But those people are not allowed to say what they think about this wokeism B.S. 

[SiSePuede419]

7 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Thank you for repeating what I said in other words.

Gaslighting.

You think I am too stupid to read the garbage opinions you wrote? 😭

 

Quote:

It is definitely not a simple yes or no question.

 

If kids grew up with two males who f@#$# each other, then kids will assume that is normal.

 

Does this make the kids homosexual? I don't think so. Will it confuse kids? I am sure it does.

 

Garbage opinions not based on facts. ✅

[OneMoreFarang]

4 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Gaslighting.

You think I am too stupid to read the garbage opinions you wrote? 😭

 

Quote:

It is definitely not a simple yes or no question.

 

If kids grew up with two males who f@#$# each other, then kids will assume that is normal.

 

Does this make the kids homosexual? I don't think so. Will it confuse kids? I am sure it does.

 

Liar. ✅

 

"It is definitely not a simple yes or no question." Is this a lie? Why?

"If kids grew up with two males who f@#$# each other, then kids will assume that is normal." Is this a lie? Why?

"Does this make the kids homosexual? I don't think so. Will it confuse kids? I am sure it does." Is this a lie? Why?

 

If you accuse me of being a liar, then please try to be precise. 

 

[spidermike007]

This incredibly ignorant man has no of what love is all about. Love does not know any boundaries and equal rights for gay and lesbian couples should be Universal.

 

This clown is showing his astounding Ignorance by preaching anything other than a straight man and woman is against universal law. That's medieval garbage. 

[spidermike007]

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

"It is definitely not a simple yes or no question." Is this a lie? Why?

"If kids grew up with two males who f@#$# each other, then kids will assume that is normal." Is this a lie? Why?

"Does this make the kids homosexual? I don't think so. Will it confuse kids? I am sure it does." Is this a lie? Why?

 

If you accuse me of being a liar, then please try to be precise. 

 

I think kids are far more concerned about loving and protective parents who love each other, and the child, rather than distinctions of sexuality.

 

I think it's your own conservatism that's the issue here. Look within. Question your own beliefs and why they are intolerant, and so limited in scope. 

[OneMoreFarang]

46 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I think kids are far more concerned about loving and protective parents who love each other, and the child, rather than distinctions of sexuality.

 

I think it's your own conservatism that's the issue here. Look within. Question your own beliefs and why they are intolerant, and so limited in scope. 

 

In general, I wouldn't call myself conservative. But then, I am also not what they call progressive. I am somewhere in the center.

I have no doubt that there are loving same sex couples out there who take care of their children and who the children admire.

 

I have no kids, but observing kids in general offline and online, it seems to me they are as nasty as we were when I was young. And at that time, I don't think we wanted to be nasty, it was just having fun talking bad about this and that, the teachers, other pupils, whatever. And when we found a reason to wind someone up, and that someone reacted in a way which made it fun to wind them up even more, every day, then we did that.

So now, if there is i.e. a sport event at the school, and for most kids father and mother would turn up, but for one kid the two fathers would sit there. Would nobody mention it? Or would there be comments like: What is that? Who is your dad? Does he have a boyfriend. Or something like that. And obviously that would happen again and again and again.

Some kids might be able to shrug it off, no problem. But I am sure other kids will suffer. Maybe quietly, maybe not so quiet. Will they grow up without any damage? I have my doubt.

 

[User One]

On 1/24/2025 at 1:05 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

IMHO let them f@#$# with each other and marry each other.

But leave kids out of it. No adoptions! 

+ Also LGBT parades and merchandise should be banned, so that they cannot promote their destructive ideology 

[KannikaP]

11 hours ago, Classic Ray said:

people cannot change the way they were born.

Of course they can, and more so over here.

But as Trumpety Trump said, there only TWO genders.

[ikke1959]

10 hours ago, proton said:

 

Quite right, many gays are highly sexed so keeping kids away from them is common sense

 

Gay couple who showed off picture-perfect family gets 100 years in prison for horrific rape of adopted sons

 

 

https://nypost.com/2024/12/23/us-news/georgia-couple-convicted-for-sickening-sexual-abuse-of-adopted-sons-get-100-years-in-jail-a-house-of-horrors/

Not long ago a stepfather abused his son and killed him here in Thailand

 

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/stepfather-arrested-after-six-years-of-abuse-in-bangkok

 

https://metro.co.uk/2017/04/05/three-year-old-boy-saved-from-abusive-stepfather-by-social-media-6555824/

https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/crime/phayao-father-kills-son-in-tragic-family-dispute

 And you can find more on internet as you like so please stop these homophobic posts

 

[Baht Simpson]

9 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Homosexuality is a mental illness. In some folks, it manifests only as to their own personal sexuality, in others, it manifests into insanity that spreads to others.

Same old tired tropes. You really should be doing better. 

[Yagoda]

19 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

Same old tired tropes. You really should be doing better. 

AI is GIGO like every other way to defeat the brain

[Baht Simpson]

11 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

11 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I am sure if one of my classmates would have explained to us that he has two fathers (who f*%*% each other), we would have made fun of that kid all day. Except the kid wouldn't have experiences as funny. The opposite.

That's the reason schools try to teach kids that bigotry and homophobia are unacceptable.  

 

Or would you rather it's all kept quiet and the kid hides who his parents are so he doesn't get beat up?

[Jingthing]

Thank God the government of Thailand has moved forward from the tired old moronic homophobic tropes found on this topic. Hey, if you don't like it -- Russia wants you!

[OneMoreFarang]

20 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

 

That's the reason schools try to teach kids that bigotry and homophobia are unacceptable.  

 

Or would you rather it's all kept quiet and the kid hides who his parents are so he doesn't get beat up?

 

And how does that work in school? Do all the kids learn what the teachers tell them? Are they all nice kids who would never ever say a bad word? Do kids like that exist?

 

And obviously the kids learn not only in school. They learn from their parents, the internet and all those nice influencers.

 

To make it clear: If all kids and all parents would be nice to each other and if nobody would be ridiculed, then I guess all would be fine and children of same sex parents would have no problems. But that's like saying the world would be wonderful if there would be no wars. It would be nice, but it's unrealistic. 

[0ffshore360]

13 hours ago, hotchilli said:

I'm with you on tha point.. let the adults do what they want, but no adoptions, that's a step too far

Statistically is there any difference in conventional marital parentage?

Formal "marriage" in these times is relevant mostly to legal leeches awaiting litigation.

Relationships are as fickle as  ever were .

Offspring ? Given time are  canon fodder in defense social disregard.

Welcome to the corporate existence !

[Baht Simpson]

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

AI is GIGO like every other way to defeat the brain

Not a fan of facts eh? 

[Baht Simpson]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

And how does that work in school? Do all the kids learn what the teachers tell them? Are they all nice kids who would never ever say a bad word? Do kids like that exist?

 

And obviously the kids learn not only in school. They learn from their parents, the internet and all those nice influencers.

 

To make it clear: If all kids and all parents would be nice to each other and if nobody would be ridiculed, then I guess all would be fine and children of same sex parents would have no problems. But that's like saying the world would be wonderful if there would be no wars. It would be nice, but it's unrealistic. 

 

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

And how does that work in school? Do all the kids learn what the teachers tell them? Are they all nice kids who would never ever say a bad word? Do kids like that exist?

 

Acceptance of everyone regardless of race, religion or sexual orientation should be taught as part of a subject. It's basic humanity. 

 

Part of that is teaching that bullying or harassing is unnaceptable and that includes harrassing children who have same-sex parents.

 

You'll always have kids who bully but you don't accept it, you teach them that they mustn't. You don't give in  to them.

[Kinnock]

I think marriage should be illegal .... for everyone.  As for gay or straight marriage .... it's none of my business if people want to formalise their relationship.

[NoDisplayName]

But he wasn't opposing equal marriage.

 

The same number of men marry the same number of women.

 

What could be more equal?

[FritsSikkink]

On 1/24/2025 at 5:05 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

IMHO let them f@#$# with each other and marry each other.

But leave kids out of it. No adoptions! 

I rather have my bother take care of my kids than someone like you.

[Yagoda]

7 hours ago, Baht Simpson said:

Not a fan of facts eh? 

If cared enough about anyone's opinion of my statement, I could spend a few hours arguing with chat GPT and getting them to admit anything I want

[Chomper Higgot]

On 1/25/2025 at 7:09 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

I remember from when I was a kid how brutal (talking) many kids are with each other.

I.e. my parents bought once trainers with 4 stripes for me because they were a lot cheaper than the trainers with 3 stripes. And many of my fellow classmates let me know how stupid that was and looked and if my parents can't count and whatever.

Kids are like that, if we like it or not.

I am sure if one of my classmates would have explained to us that he has two fathers (who f*%*% each other), we would have made fun of that kid all day. Except the kid wouldn't have experiences as funny. The opposite.

 

Additionally, it is health for all children to have a male father and a female mother. They are different in many ways and the kid learns from both of them, often in different ways. All this is well documented.

 

Can a kid be happy and healthy with just one parent or two same sex parents? Yes. Is it more likely that the kid would grow up mentally healthier with normal parents, father and mother, and optimally sisters and brothers.

How about it’s healthy for children to have two parents who love them rather than being left rotting  in a children’s home?!

[Chomper Higgot]

22 hours ago, connda said:

I'm still waiting to watch the dog and pony show this will become when the first farang claims he is "the wife" in a civil union and demands "Equal Application of Immigration Laws" that allow the foreign wife of a Thai man to skate on any financial requirement and leads to Thai citizenship after three years of marriage.  🐕 🐴 

The more important point is both partners in the marriage are extended legal rights that include inheritance and issues like insurance payouts.

 

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

Dissent must be crushed