Thank God the burning has stopped......

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, CallumWK said:

 

You mean the wife wears the pants in your household? And didn't you post some time ago that she's a farmer, so most likely contributing to the burning.

Stop crying about your own wrong decisions, because unless you were born where you live now, nobody can force you to live anywhere. You almost sound like a lefty.

 

Yes, she wears the pants.....young, very pretty, works hard and quite wealthy.

 

Not sure why you think I'm crying though?

 

You seem to think that having been to forced to live here, I shouldn't consider how the environment could be made so much healthier for everyone.....and it beggars belief how any of that translates into sounding like a lefty?

 

 

[Purdey]

56 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

They will burn.....they have no option unless the processors are forced to take sugarcane with the leaves on.

 

Once the leaves are cut of in the field the farmers can't see where to plough......they will burn every time.

I think the key point is..."They don't care." 

🤔

[Will B Good]

39 minutes ago, Purdey said:

I think the key point is..."They don't care." 

🤔

 

"They" being everyone from the poor farmer ......and most are incredibly poor............through to wealthy, profiteering politicians and businesses.......who would do anything to maintain and/or increase their wealth.

 

I guess this is where activists come in.......but they tend to have a short life span in Thailand.

[0ffshore360]

6 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

They will burn.....they have no option unless the processors are forced to take sugarcane with the leaves on.

 

Once the leaves are cut of in the field the farmers can't see where to plough......they will burn every time.

Yet to see a sugar grower plough his cane fields !

[Cameroni]

On 1/24/2025 at 3:27 PM, Will B Good said:

 

Zero, nada, zip....and everyone knows it.

 

Why get upset about it? Even if Thailand had 100% enforcement, the burning from Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar would still ensure the burning season would make the air quality worse.

 

Thailand cannot stop the burning issue alone. 

 

[Will B Good]

16 hours ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Yet to see a sugar grower plough his cane fields !

Ploughing is an important part of sugarcane farming, especially for planting new crops, but ratoon crops can reduce the frequency of ploughing. Farmers evaluate their soil conditions and crop performance to decide when ploughing is necessary.

[Will B Good]

12 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Why get upset about it? Even if Thailand had 100% enforcement, the burning from Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar would still ensure the burning season would make the air quality worse.

 

Thailand cannot stop the burning issue alone. 

 

 

So if Thailand stopped all burning there would zero improvement in AQ....????   and that's your reason/excuse for doing nothing......bordering on genius.

[Will B Good]

On 1/24/2025 at 10:04 PM, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Are you unable to communicate with your Village Headman?

 

Just as him or her to switch from burning these petrochemical products, such as used engine oil...to....

Use of microbes, instead.

 

This is certainly what I would do.

 

Get some good bacteria working for you.

 

 

Communicate....yes

 

Any point....no.

[Will B Good]

16 hours ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Yet to see a sugar grower plough his cane fields !

 

Family has 200 acres.....I need to tell them to stop wasting their time......cheers

[GammaGlobulin]

15 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Family has 200 acres.....I need to tell them to stop wasting their time......cheers

 

What you really need to do is to ask your family to....

 

a. Purchase an anaerobic furnace.

b. Produce biochar.

c. Then insert biochar in the top layers of soil.

d. This will improve the quality of the soil.

e. This will sequester tons of CO2, a real dream come true.

f. Then EVERYBODY will be Hap, Hap, Happy.....

 

 

 

Also, if they do not grasp the benefits of doing this...

Then, I can upload a few great links to various science journals which elucidate similar scenarios.

 

 

Your family can easily buy one ONLINE just by going to ALIBABA....!!!!!

 

 

Then....

No More Complaining from your neighbors......!!!!

Nor from....

TV Members.

 

 

Note:  The furnace from Alibaba is very......   HANDY....!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

[Will B Good]

4 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

a. Purchase an anaerobic furnace

 

A form of septic tank?

 

Now if the government provided those FOC......!!!

 

They still wouldn't do it. Just the additional effort and cost of gathering the leaves involved would kill it.

[atpeace]

13 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Why get upset about it? Even if Thailand had 100% enforcement, the burning from Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar would still ensure the burning season would make the air quality worse.

 

Thailand cannot stop the burning issue alone. 

 

It can make a huge impact.  I live on the Laos borders and it does blow over but 90% is local where I'm at.  150++ PM 2.5 yesterday and the winds picked up heading from Laos to Thailand.  The PM 2.5 for the last 24 hours has been below 10 and currently 1.  It is Thailand plain and simple and yes a little crosses over borders.

[Thailand]

Friend who lived in a village just outside of Chiang Mai was told to burn his rubbish at night as all the police had gone home.

 

And apparently it can't be seen at night!

[GammaGlobulin]

32 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

A form of septic tank?

 

Now if the government provided those FOC......!!!

 

They still wouldn't do it. Just the additional effort and cost of gathering the leaves involved would kill it.

 

Maybe so.

Maybe not.

 

Just read this:

 

 

 

Where there's a will, there is a way.

 

One needs to begin somewhere.

 

There is much more info available on the net.

 

 

 

 

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

 

So if Thailand stopped all burning there would zero improvement in AQ....????   and that's your reason/excuse for doing nothing......bordering on genius.

 

The continued burning in Laos, Myanmar and Cambodia would indeed continue to degrade air quality during burning season.

 

So given the fact that Thailand's enforcement would be expensive, but would not result in the removal of the burning season issue by any stretch of the imagination it is in fact rational for Thailand to minimise the cost of enforcement. 

 

Why waste resources on a problem which Thailand cannot solve alone?

 

It would be stupid for Thais to expend great cost in eliminating burning on their territory whilst Laos, Cambodia and Myanmar merrily burn away, and continue to cause the issue we have every year.

[Cameroni]

46 minutes ago, atpeace said:

It can make a huge impact.  I live on the Laos borders and it does blow over but 90% is local where I'm at.  150++ PM 2.5 yesterday and the winds picked up heading from Laos to Thailand.  The PM 2.5 for the last 24 hours has been below 10 and currently 1.  It is Thailand plain and simple and yes a little crosses over borders.

 

It's not Thailand according to this article.

 

https://medium.com/@the_scrapbookers/the-reality-of-burning-season-in-thailand-laos-and-the-rest-of-south-east-asia-217c9bc3dacf

[Will B Good]

48 minutes ago, Thailand said:

Friend who lived in a village just outside of Chiang Mai was told to burn his rubbish at night as all the police had gone home.

 

And apparently it can't be seen at night!

 

99% of the sugarcane leaves are burnt at night.....only because there is less chance of windy conditions kicking off......they have no concerns about police or other authorities doing anything.

[Will B Good]

2 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Where there's a will, there is a way.

 

Where there's money to be made, there is a way.....this is Thailand

[GammaGlobulin]

2 hours ago, Thailand said:

Friend who lived in a village just outside of Chiang Mai was told to burn his rubbish at night as all the police had gone home.

 

And apparently it can't be seen at night!

 

Maybe it can't be seen at night...

Not sure.

 

But, for sure, I can smell it at night.

Please inform your friend.

 

[atpeace]

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

It's not Thailand according to this article.

 

https://medium.com/@the_scrapbookers/the-reality-of-burning-season-in-thailand-laos-and-the-rest-of-south-east-asia-217c9bc3dacf

That is a blog post with just what they think causes pollution.  Been in Thailand for 25 years now and there have been a few times the pollution was imported but 90% of it is caused very close to wherever you live.  Still sitting at PM 2.5 of 2 at the moment but once the winds stop, it will be up over 100 within 12 hours.    When is pollution its worse? When the wind isn't blowing, as in Bangkok the last few weeks, and it can accumulate which has nothing to do with pollution from other countries.

[newbee2022]

On 1/24/2025 at 8:20 PM, Will B Good said:

Long diatribe from the Head of the Village this am......all burning must cease.

Well, if he said this....🥴. Now wait till it will happen.

Yesterday in Ratchaburi on our way to the South you couldn't see the sun. All over all smoke, eyes burning, throat dry. Was happy we passed that area fast. Now I'm sitting at the beach.

[RayOday]

We visit an 84 yr old woman in a small moo ban in Surin Province every other month. All residents burn their garbage. Two moo baans away, approximately 7 km there is garbage pick up. Why isn't there garbage pick up in the woman's moo baan? Because each month at the village meeting garbage pick up comes up for a vote. The majority vote no because it costs 50 baht per month and the people feel it's too expensive. These same people are building new homes, have many rai of  productive rice, sugar, and tapioca farms, drive new pick-up trucks, giant TVs, etc. Garbage pick up should not be an option when they are choking on plastic garbage burning. I am sure not everyone can afford 50 baht. I do know that the woman we visit lives in an extremely modest shelter, has no extra money, and still does clothing alterations to feed her cats. She has a 4th grade education. She has always voted yes for garbage pick up. No excuses. The people know the danger. Pick up and plastic recycling is a public health hazard for these people yet they don't care. They need better leaders.

[brewsterbudgen]

In the current climate, is it OK to pour water over burning rubbish on the street, supposedly as something to do with Chinese New Year?

[LOS1]

On 1/25/2025 at 11:48 AM, spidermike007 said:

There is likely some truth to that and then in addition they like to blame neighboring countries, and although I'm sure there is burning and fires going on in neighboring countries most of what we are experiencing is fairly localized within the region. 

 

Then there are the diesel vehicles, the trucks and pickups which are not being well maintained, and those of us that know anything about diesel know that it's one of the worst polluters if it's not properly maintained. What percentage of diesel vehicle owners in Thailand, especially truck owners properly maintain their vehicles? Why don't the authorities do anything about it?

 

They shut down the nation for covid, yet they do nothing about plumes of black smoke, crop burning, highway traffic safety issues, and so many other things of importance. 

 

 

Not only that but the government subsidizes diesel fuel.

[Will B Good]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

Well, if he said this....🥴. Now wait till it will happen.

Yesterday in Ratchaburi on our way to the South you couldn't see the sun. All over all smoke, eyes burning, throat dry. Was happy we passed that area fast. Now I'm sitting at the beach.

 

Nothing will change unless the government provide a mechanism to deal with the leaves from the sugarcane......just swaggering about threatening to "machine gun" (hyperbole) farmers will not work

[Andycoops]

Until people are heavily fined or jailed it will continue unabated.

 

Vast tracks of land are owned by so called influential people and therefore the blind eye approach, as the back handers are received...

 

The small holder rarely listens to such pronouncements.

[SiSePuede419]

That's why the Chinese like to come to Thailand...

 

Reminds them of the "old days" in China.

 

A few years ago before they reduced the air pollution significantly. 😲

 

Sidenote: The Chinese have yet to eliminate Winter

 

Yes, China has made significant progress in reducing air pollution in recent years, though challenges remain. Key developments include:

 

Improvements in Air Quality

1. Reduction in Key Pollutants: Between 2013 and 2023, levels of PM2.5 (fine particulate matter) dropped significantly in many major cities. For example, Beijing saw a reduction of more than 50% in PM2.5 concentrations since 2013.

 

2. Cleaner Energy: China has heavily invested in renewable energy, including wind, solar, and hydropower, reducing reliance on coal.

 

3. Stricter Regulations: The government implemented policies like the "Air Pollution Prevention and Control Action Plan" (2013–2017) and subsequent plans targeting industrial emissions, vehicle standards, and cleaner fuels.

 

Key Measures Taken

1. Coal Reduction: Transitioning from coal to cleaner energy sources in power generation and industry.

 

2. Industrial Upgrades: Closing or modernizing polluting factories, especially in heavy industries like steel and cement.

 

3. Vehicle Emissions: Introducing stricter fuel standards and promoting electric vehicles (EVs).

 

4. Reforestation: Massive afforestation programs to act as carbon sinks and reduce pollution.

 

Challenges

Regional Disparities: While urban centers have improved, rural areas still face pollution challenges.

 

Economic Growth vs. Environment: Balancing rapid industrial growth with sustainability remains a hurdle.

 

Seasonal Pollution: Winter smog persists in some areas due to coal heating and stagnant weather patterns.

 

China’s efforts have been recognized globally as a model of rapid pollution control, but sustained action is needed to address remaining issues and e

nsure long-term environmental health.

 

[MangoKorat]

On 1/25/2025 at 4:48 AM, spidermike007 said:

Then there are the diesel vehicles, the trucks and pickups which are not being well maintained

With many of them its not a matter of maintenance, they carry out modifications to throw more fuel in and obtain more power.  They don't seem to have any idea that they are not only damaging the environment, they are also damaging their engine on many occasions.

[DD86]

On 1/25/2025 at 5:15 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

 

And then they wonder why God brought cancer unto their world?

 

 

What a stupid statement.

[scottiejohn]

On 1/25/2025 at 5:15 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

 

And then they wonder why God brought cancer unto their world?

 

 

I wonder why God, if there is one, brought you into this world!