A death sentence for some

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, proton said:

 

The lesson there is don't start a war then start crying about the consequences when you start to lose. If Hamas had not been hiding behind civilians and in schools, hospitals and mosques the casualties would have been a lot less. Hamas like high causality rates as they use it for propaganda, for people like you to believe in.

Given that israel will not allow independent reporters into Gaza, you can't prove that. If israel was abiding by international law there would be no reason to ban them.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that israel will not allow independent reporters into Gaza, you can't prove that. If israel was abiding by international law there would be no reason to ban them.

 

  The reasons why reporters are not allowed into Gaza have been stated numerous times before .

   These discussions seem to just go around in small little circles , its getting to be a daily routine 

[Hawaiian]

32 minutes ago, sungod said:

I dont, that's the point. If the Arabs dont take care of their own, then why should we?

https://slate.com/human-interest/2012/10/is-islam-misogynistic.html  Same thing should apply to any country that enforces this sickening misogyny on their population.

[Nick Carter icp]

21 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Like most people on the planet. The only difference is he doesn't pretend that he cares, unlike a few on here.

 

   He seems to begin every sentence with "I "

[spidermike007]

It was a cold and callous move from a man without a nanogram of compassion and decency in that decrepit body of his. He would much rather save the trillions as a giveaway to his billionaire buddies and their corporations as tax breaks. Unwise and indecent. 

[Evil Penevil]

8 hours ago, bannork said:

Nothing like killing women and children, is there? 

Nearly 70% of Gaza war dead were women (26%) and children (44%).

 

 

As has been explained many times, the high deah rate among women and children in Gaza is a result of Hamas using civilians as a cover for its military activities in what had been one of the most densely populated urban areas in the world. The strategy and tactics favored by Hamas have resulted in huge suffering for the civilian population of Gaza.    What did the civilian population gain through the Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas compared with how much death and destruction the attacks caused?                

[bannork]

Just now, Evil Penevil said:

 

As has been explained many times, the high deah rate among women and children in Gaza is a result of Hamas using civilians as a cover for its military activities in what had been one of the most densely populated urban areas in the world. The strategy and tactics favored by Hamas have resulted in huge suffering for the civilian population of Gaza.    What did the civilian population gain through the Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas compared with how much death and destruction the attacks caused?                

As has been explained many times, no one knows how many of the women and children killed were involved as a front for Hamas fighters because Israel never allowed foreign journalists into Gaza to verify its claims.

Every time a building was flattened with a large number of civilian casualties, the IDF said it had definite intelligence Hamas was operating from said building. 

Yet the world was never allowed to challenge this claim.

I don't believe the IDF.

 

 

[BritManToo]

53 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You do seem to only care about yourself and that everything needs to be about you all the time . 

 Why would you make your life about people you don't know and have no connection with?

And probably wouldn't like you if you did meet them!

[sungod]

34 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

https://slate.com/human-interest/2012/10/is-islam-misogynistic.html  Same thing should apply to any country that enforces this sickening misogyny on their population.

Many who sit on the UN Human Rights Council!

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

 Why would you make your life about people you don't know and have no connection with?

And probably wouldn't like you if you did meet them!

 

   Another example of your self obsession .

(My life isn't all about you)

[Hawaiian]

34 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

It was a cold and callous move from a man without a nanogram of compassion and decency in that decrepit body of his. He would much rather save the trillions as a giveaway to his billionaire buddies and their corporations as tax breaks. Unwise and indecent. 

Where do you think much of that foreign aid money originates from?  How much have you contributed, directly or indirectly?  Spending other peoples money comes to mind.

[Patong2021]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

First do yourself an favor, know what numbers we are talking about here, when it comes to barrels produces by day, total barrels produces total in history, and total consumed and burned. 

Ridiculous attempt there, but nice try

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_consumption

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_consumption

 

It is not about oil consumption, but OIL PRODUCTION. Norway has already admitted that its  energy sector provides the oil that is responsible for a large proportion of global emissions.  Norway is  pumping out the product that is causing the   climate crisis and is profiting quite nicely from it, all the while, pointing its finger and moralising.  Norway is just as responsible for the global climate crisis as are the customers of its oil. 

 

Now personally, I don't have a problem with fossil fuels since  use it to operate my motor vehicles and need it for my regular air travel. The difference here though, is that unlike the holier than thou Norwegians who carry on as if their sh*t don't stink, I admit to my carbon footprint (and try to mitigate  it through support of carbon recapture through forest regeneration.)

 

So, when you claim that Norway's great contribution is so large by its per capita donations, but then ignore the source of those funds, it is an exercise in hypocrisy. It is no different than the Hell's Angels who hand out toys at Christmas. Well, they paid for those toys through their wrongful activities.

[Nick Carter icp]

41 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

It was a cold and callous move from a man without a nanogram of compassion and decency in that decrepit body of his. He would much rather save the trillions as a giveaway to his billionaire buddies and their corporations as tax breaks. Unwise and indecent. 

 

   Do you think that the USA debt needs addressing ?

Should the USA take measures to reduce its debt or just let the debt keep getting bigger ?

[Hummin]

32 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

It is not about oil consumption, but OIL PRODUCTION. Norway has already admitted that its  energy sector provides the oil that is responsible for a large proportion of global emissions.  Norway is  pumping out the product that is causing the   climate crisis and is profiting quite nicely from it, all the while, pointing its finger and moralising.  Norway is just as responsible for the global climate crisis as are the customers of its oil. 

 

Now personally, I don't have a problem with fossil fuels since  use it to operate my motor vehicles and need it for my regular air travel. The difference here though, is that unlike the holier than thou Norwegians who carry on as if their sh*t don't stink, I admit to my carbon footprint (and try to mitigate  it through support of carbon recapture through forest regeneration.)

 

So, when you claim that Norway's great contribution is so large by its per capita donations, but then ignore the source of those funds, it is an exercise in hypocrisy. It is no different than the Hell's Angels who hand out toys at Christmas. Well, they paid for those toys through their wrongful activities.

Again nice try to twist the truth.

 

Check the numbers of total produced fossil fuels, and consumption, and then come back to me. 

 

If usa build 8L cars and sells them to Europe, Usa is responsible for their overconsumption of fuel, when they could had used collective transport instead. That's where the level of your arguments lays.

 

Still nobody comes close to Usa production and consumption so far.

[Hawaiian]

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Do you think that the USA debt needs addressing ?

Should the USA take measures to reduce its debt or just let the debt keep getting bigger ?

Several major credit rating agencies have downgraded the credit rating of the U.S. federal government because of the mushrooming national debt.  The writing is on the wall that the U.S. had better make some very serious attempts at addressing the problem.  Spending cuts need to start now and IMO foreign aid is a good place to start because the reality is, it's more palatable than cuts elsewhere.

[Patong2021]

5 hours ago, bannork said:

The massacres of the Rohingya, the mass killings of Myanmar civilians by its own junta, are conveniently ignored by the Thais, indifferent to the suffering next door. But this thread is about Trump's abrupt cessation of aid programmes.

I'll start two threads tomorrow about the Myanmar and Sudanese civil wars, but is there any interest?

 

Trump isn't there to serve the world. He is there to  act in the best interests of the USA. Whether or not some of his policies do that is another story. It is time that many countries in the world put on their big boy pants and started taking care of themselves and not relying or demanding foreign aid.It is called taking responsibility.

 

I  do not agree with proposed  suspension of aid. One of the most successful health programs initiated in the past 25 years was George Bush's HIV treatment and prevention program in Saharan Africa. However, the burden of social assistance has slowly been t transferred to western nations (and Japan), particularly the USA.  China, Russia and India have had a free hand to  benefit from the generosity, but they have contributed relatively little.  There has been a lack of gratitude and appreciation for all that the USA has done, and for the generosity of other nations too. No one owes many of these countries anything. Let China and Russia with their self described powerhouse economies step up and show some  leadership.

[Hawaiian]

15 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Trump isn't there to serve the world. He is there to  act in the best interests of the USA. Whether or not some of his policies do that is another story. It is time that many countries in the world put on their big boy pants and started taking care of themselves and not relying or demanding foreign aid.It is called taking responsibility.

 

I  do not agree with proposed  suspension of aid. One of the most successful health programs initiated in the past 25 years was George Bush's HIV treatment and prevention program in Saharan Africa. However, the burden of social assistance has slowly been t transferred to western nations (and Japan), particularly the USA.  China, Russia and India have had a free hand to  benefit from the generosity, but they have contributed relatively little.  There has been a lack of gratitude and appreciation for all that the USA has done, and for the generosity of other nations too. No one owes many of these countries anything. Let China and Russia with their self described powerhouse economies step up and show some  leadership.

China's answer to help is financing and building infrastructure through debt trap diplomacy which require most construction to be by Chinese companies with Chinese workers.  Russia's answer usually involves some form of annexation or occupation.  But that doesn't mean the U.S. should be responsible for providing bona fide aid.

[bannork]

27 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Trump isn't there to serve the world. He is there to  act in the best interests of the USA. Whether or not some of his policies do that is another story. It is time that many countries in the world put on their big boy pants and started taking care of themselves and not relying or demanding foreign aid.It is called taking responsibility.

 

I  do not agree with proposed  suspension of aid. One of the most successful health programs initiated in the past 25 years was George Bush's HIV treatment and prevention program in Saharan Africa. However, the burden of social assistance has slowly been t transferred to western nations (and Japan), particularly the USA.  China, Russia and India have had a free hand to  benefit from the generosity, but they have contributed relatively little.  There has been a lack of gratitude and appreciation for all that the USA has done, and for the generosity of other nations too. No one owes many of these countries anything. Let China and Russia with their self described powerhouse economies step up and show some  leadership.

An interesting article below about Xi's aims  and techniques to win African souls. 

Yet the survey suggests Africans are as suspicious of Chinese aid as they are of Western aid.

Still, China is 'all in' regarding Chinese- African cooperation.

"What FOCAC 2024 Reveals About the Future of China-Africa Relations | Carnegie Endowment for International Peace" https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2024/11/what-focac-2024-reveals-about-the-future-of-china-africa-relations?lang=en

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Do you think that the USA debt needs addressing ?

Should the USA take measures to reduce its debt or just let the debt keep getting bigger ?

Of course I do but Trump is not the man to address it do not forget he added almost 8 trillion dollars to the deficit in his last presidency this is not a serious man despite what you think and his trillions of dollars in tax cuts are not going to help one iota.

 

I do think that foreign aid should be looked at and examined, but the money that is being given to many of these organizations is a drop in the barrel. It is the wrong place to cut costs and it is cold, ruthless, heartless and very symptomatic of just too Trump is. He does not have a charitable bone in his entire body and it is likely that he and Musk might be the two least charitable people in history based on their net worth. 

[Hawaiian]

34 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Of course I do but Trump is not the man to address it do not forget he added almost 8 trillion dollars to the deficit in his last presidency this is not a serious man despite what you think and his trillions of dollars in tax cuts are not going to help one iota.

 

I do think that foreign aid should be looked at and examined, but the money that is being given to many of these organizations is a drop in the barrel. It is the wrong place to cut costs and it is cold, ruthless, heartless and very symptomatic of just too Trump is. He does not have a charitable bone in his entire body and it is likely that he and Musk might be the two least charitable people in history based on their net worth. 

Check the Forbes list of wealthy Americans and their charitable ratings.  Interesting who gives and who doesn't.

I would like to think this time around Trump has more capable people advising him about the how serious a problem mushrooming national debt is. Maybe I am too optimistic, but we will have to wait and see.   As far as cutting spending goes, everything needs to be examined including foreign aid.

[Liverpool Lou]

On 1/29/2025 at 7:22 AM, frank83628 said:

Ahh yes, I forgot all the past threads here showing concerns for the Zimbabwean people!!

Brilliant!

[Liverpool Lou]

On 1/29/2025 at 7:31 AM, swerve said:

Very dramatic thread title.

Not for drama queens!

[Ralf001]

21 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

How did their mothers contract it?

 

2 for 1 deal at the dollar shop.

[Albaby]

On 1/29/2025 at 1:46 AM, bannork said:

Trump has halted a program to combat HIV worldwide that is credited with saving about 25 million lives.

He has stopped supplies to a 40,000-person refugee camp in Syria, as well as Sudan, where at least 24.6 million people urgently need food assistance.

Who on earth wants to save them? Let natural selection take care of the situation.

[stevenl]

41 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Check the Forbes list of wealthy Americans and their charitable ratings.  Interesting who gives and who doesn't.

I would like to think this time around Trump has more capable people advising him about the how serious a problem mushrooming national debt is. Maybe I am too optimistic, but we will have to wait and see.   As far as cutting spending goes, everything needs to be examined including foreign aid.

The spending freeze order proves you wrong.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

12 hours ago, bannork said:

Nearly 70% of Gaza war dead were women (26%) and children (44%).

 

Where did you get these percentages from please ... thanks 

[Hawaiian]

35 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The spending freeze order proves you wrong.

Did you just get out of bed?  It's over.

Besides freezing federal aid is not spending.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Of course I do but Trump is not the man to address it do not forget he added almost 8 trillion dollars to the deficit in his last presidency this is not a serious man despite what you think and his trillions of dollars in tax cuts are not going to help one iota.

 

I do think that foreign aid should be looked at and examined, but the money that is being given to many of these organizations is a drop in the barrel. It is the wrong place to cut costs and it is cold, ruthless, heartless and very symptomatic of just too Trump is. He does not have a charitable bone in his entire body and it is likely that he and Musk might be the two least charitable people in history based on their net worth. 

 

   The WHO announced that they would stop staff travelling the World for group meetings and now use video calls instead as a direct result of the USA cutbacks .

   The WHO staff will no longer be traveling the World on expenses paid for by the USA , they will call each on video calls instead . 

   Do you agree with those cutbacks which will reduce the USAs national debt ?

[bannork]

37 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Where did you get these percentages from please ... thanks 

Google the internet, it's quite easy.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

Google the internet, it's quite easy.

 

No, you stated the percentages, it is for you to substantiate your claim; if you cannot then it is quite possible that you are posting false information, and your comment will need to be reported