UK Population Set to Surge to 72.5 Million by 2032, Driven by Migration

[DonniePeverley]

Good news. More working population. 

 

The dangers of a drop in population wrecks economies. Government however must provide the necessary provisions for transport, education and health to keep up. 

 

Only people with an issue will be racists. 

[sandyf]

16 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I have no problem with legal migration as long as the numbers and quality/skills of those who come to the UK are strictly controlled.

 

Indeed. 

However net migration is a mathematical equation and like every other equation it has 2 sides.

Every tom, dick and harry just wants to focus on one side of the equation and ignore the fact that those leaving the country have been reducing for some time.

The country shot itself in the foot with brexit which has deterred people from retiring to the EU, not only that it caused many to return to the UK, adding to the wrong side of the equation.

If the money donated to Rwanda had been put into incentives to retire abroad it may well have lead to a different outcome.

[DonniePeverley]

5 hours ago, jippytum said:

You might not agree with all the policies of Donald Trump but his stance and swift action on the deportation illegal criminals won him the popular vote and similar action by UK lawmakers is long overdue. 

 

Nonsense. It's all performative theatrics. 

 

The sheer volume of mexican (and further afield south American countries) undocumented immigration into many US states is astronical. Most large business welcome these immigrants to carry out the work locals will not do. If you go to cities like Las Vegas the vast majority of the work carried out in the background (housekeeping, chefs, cleaners, etc) are all immigrants. 

 

You even have legit schemes like Mexicans being driven into US daily to do work, then driven back home at night - which is a legal scheme. 

[sandyf]

22 minutes ago, jippytum said:

UK is a member of the ECHR. Starmer is an avid supporter.  Do you really think UK courts are not influenced by European dictate. The sooner we leave thr ECHR the better. 

The ECHR is the cornerstone of the Belfast Agreement, do you really think anyone is going to open that can of worms.

Why do you think Theresa May kicked the issue into the long grass.

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, sandyf said:

The country shot itself in the foot with brexit which has deterred people from retiring to the EU, not only that it caused many to return to the UK, adding to the wrong side of the equation.

 

The Brits can still retire to EU countries, they just need a visa now. Easy to get. 

 

Just like all of us expats need a visa in Thailand. Didn't stop us, did it?

 

Some people just want to blame Brexit for everything. The whole point of Brexit is that we can now hold our own government responsible for the running of the country, including the mismanagement of immigration. Something the Tories found out and something that Labour will find out at the next election when Reform are elected. 

 

https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/paul-murray/pretty-remarkable-reform-uk-tops-national-poll-for-the-first-time/video/6aeb2b142c078cbf12b3ac3588d5582f

 

 

[DonniePeverley]

2 hours ago, proton said:

Reported this week one in 12 Londoners are illegal immigrants- 600k, and the rest. I don't think they know the actual number of people now in the UK but it's likely they would not tell us if they did. Utility companies have estimated it's more like 80 million already. Go to any A&E departments and have a look at the numbers and ethnicities packing the hospital out.

 

 

The report was refuted as being nonsense. But damage done for racists who picked it and now treating it like fact. 

[NorthernRyland]

10 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

The dangers of a drop in population wrecks economies. Government however must provide the necessary provisions for transport, education and health to keep up. 

 

Only people with an issue will be racists. 

The Japanese and Korean are getting old too so let's just replace them with Africans too right? Personally when I go to Japan I'd like to see Japanese people and experience culture and not be in a sea of Africans but I'm just an old timey racist so what do I know.

[jippytum]

7 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

Nonsense. It's all performative theatrics. 

 

The sheer volume of mexican (and further afield south American countries) undocumented immigration into many US states is astronical. Most large business welcome these immigrants to carry out the work locals will not do. If you go to cities like Las Vegas the vast majority of the work carried out in the background (housekeeping, chefs, cleaners, etc) are all immigrants. 

 

You even have legit schemes like Mexicans being driven into US daily to do work, then driven back home at night - which is a legal scheme. 

You fail to note the difference between illegal immigration and legal migration important difference. 

[DonniePeverley]

Just now, NorthernRyland said:

The Japanese and Korean are getting old too so let's just replace them with Africans too right? Personally when I go to Japan I'd like to see Japanese people and experience culture and not be in a sea of Africans but I'm just an old timey racist so what do I know.

 

 

The Japanese economy has stagnated, from once being the second strongest economy in the world with huge living standards. It's now suffering terribly. 

 

Japan Gdp per peson is only $33,851

Uk Gdp per person is $54,279

 

Japan has self harmed it's economy. And life there is tough for most people, despite the rhetoric and romantic versions you see of society there. 

 

The blame on that is it does not have a working population anymore, yet costs have continued to spiral up.

 

South Korea has many undocumented cheap labour from North Korea, China, and surrounding states. They have a falling birth rate, but continue to have a booming economy.

 

 

[PomPolo]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

21 out of 22 of the nationalities on this planet with the highest population growths are Muslim. Does anyone see a critical issue with that? 

No issues with Muslims, well the ones that don't spend their time plotting how to kill us.

[NorthernRyland]

10 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

The sheer volume of mexican (and further afield south American countries) undocumented immigration into many US states is astronical. Most large business welcome these immigrants to carry out the work locals will not do. If you go to cities like Las Vegas the vast majority of the work carried out in the background (housekeeping, chefs, cleaners, etc) are all immigrants. 

 

 

They totally crushed upwards mobility for the working class in America. Don't dare ask for a raise because they'll just replace you with a fresh 18 year old who's willing to break his for low pay. The question is why do you hate the American working class?

[proton]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

I'm guilty of the shorthand (laziness) where I leave off the word "unvetted" or "illegal" when discussing the immigration problem.

 

Immigration isn't the problem.  It's the way it's being done.  

 

 

Of course mass immigration is the problem, UK has had more arrive in the past 30 years than since 1066. In 1961 London was 97.7% white now it's 37%.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London

[DonniePeverley]

5 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

The Japanese and Korean are getting old too so let's just replace them with Africans too right? Personally when I go to Japan I'd like to see Japanese people and experience culture and not be in a sea of Africans but I'm just an old timey racist so what do I know.

 

 

Go spend time in Seoul ... it's awash with immigrants from China, North Korea (yes North Koreans), and other surrounding states. 

 

The reason the UK has so many immigrants from the commonwealth, that many here despise as they are are not white, is you invaded those countries and looted them for many years, then you needed their man power to help you in two world wars (where many sacrificied themselves to protect your way of life), and then needed their labour to help rebuild the country. 

 

It's old fashioned prejudices here. 

[DonniePeverley]

1 minute ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

They totally crushed upwards mobility for the working class in America. Don't dare ask for a raise because they'll just replace you with a fresh 18 year old who's willing to break his for low pay. The question is why do you hate the American working class?

 

 

Or locals don't want to clean rooms in Las Vegas hotels. Or do laundry in big massive corporations. The wage growth in America, even for the working class, has gone upwards quite dramatically. But let's not confuse facts with prejudices. I noticed you used the term 'Africans' .... what about immigration from Australia, etc ... would you be okay with white working immigration ?

[Celsius]

I have another prediction. British pound 31 baht by 2032

[DonniePeverley]

3 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Of course mass immigration is the problem, UK has had more arrive in the past 30 years than since 1066. In 1961 London was 97.7% white now it's 37%.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London

 

 

What's the problem with non white immigration ? 

 

Incidentally ... 

 

The white population in London is 55% by the governments statisitcs. A further 15-20 percent are Europeans from Spain, France, european union countries  (who are not classed as whites). 

 

If you go to cities further north, like Sunderland ... the white population is close to 98%. 

 

But what's the issue you have?

 

For example, the Sikh population in the UK are brilliant people. They work hard, contribute, very low crime, provide free food at their temples. 

The polish population are another group that work so hard, brilliant people. 

 

What's the issue you have?

 

 

 

[NorthernRyland]

5 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

The Japanese economy has stagnated, from once being the second strongest economy in the world with huge living standards. It's now suffering terribly. 

 

Japan Gdp per peson is only $33,851

Uk Gdp per person is $54,279

 

Japan has self harmed it's economy. And life there is tough for most people, despite the rhetoric and romantic versions you see of society there. 

 

 

Replacing them with Africans does nothing to fix this. It's the stupidest short-term thinking ever. Sure those people alive today will get some aid but then they lose their culture. You're sacrificing their heritage in the future for money in the present.  It's like a credit card which you pay back with blood and soil.

 

What else do you say. Liberalism is a moral disease. RIP European countries that believe this nonsense.

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2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Most of which is at least partly due to excessive immigration.

 

Salaries are driven down due to an over supply of cheap labour. Housing/Rental prices are driven up by a lack of available housing due to more people needing them. Higher taxes to pay for the additional strain on the NHS, schools, public services etc.

 

There really is little to no benefit of mass immigration to the average working Britain. Plenty of downsides, but pretty much no upside. 

 

You mean all those lawyers, financiers, educational professionals, and health care workers are being outcompeted by immigrants?

[Kinok Farang]

And things could have been so different if we had invited smiley people.Thais,Burmese,Vietnamese and Philippinos for example.

In just one generation we would have had a country full of beautiful,happy smiling kids.

Instead we have the scowling,western hating dross of the world on our shores.

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

What's the problem with non white immigration ? 

 

Incidentally ... 

 

The white population in London is 55% by the governments statisitcs. A further 15-20 percent are Europeans from Spain, France, european union countries  (who are not classed as whites). 

 

If you go to cities further north, like Sunderland ... the white population is close to 98%. 

 

But what's the issue you have?

 

For example, the Sikh population in the UK are brilliant people. They work hard, contribute, very low crime, provide free food at their temples. 

The polish population are another group that work so hard, brilliant people. 

 

What's the issue you have?

 

 

 

Are the government contradicting themselves then?  36.8% according to the Gov in 2021. Where's the link to your figures?

 

"out of all regions, the North East and Wales had the highest percentage of people who identified as white British (both 90.6%) – London had the lowest (36.8%)"

 

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/regional-ethnic-diversity/latest/

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1 minute ago, NorthernRyland said:

Replacing them with Africans does nothing to fix this. It's the stupidest short-term thinking ever. Sure those people alive today will get some aid but then they lose their culture. You're sacrificing their heritage in the future for money in the present.  It's like a credit card which you pay back with blood and soil.

 

What else do you say. Liberalism is a moral disease. RIP European countries that believe this nonsense.

It's that same disgraceful liberal attitude that made America, Canada, and Australia nations of immigrants. Look how poorly they fared in the 20th century compared to the great success of the UK.

[DonniePeverley]

3 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

Replacing them with Africans does nothing to fix this. It's the stupidest short-term thinking ever. Sure those people alive today will get some aid but then they lose their culture. You're sacrificing their heritage in the future for money in the present.  It's like a credit card which you pay back with blood and soil.

 

What else do you say. Liberalism is a moral disease. RIP European countries that believe this nonsense.

 

 

That's the second time you've mentioned African immigrants. 

 

Firstly, the vast majority of immigation into the UK is not African immigrants, and even it is was ... what issue do you have? 

 

The vast majority of immigration into the UK this year has been LEGAL immigration. 

[NorthernRyland]

13 minutes ago, proton said:

Of course mass immigration is the problem, UK has had more arrive in the past 30 years than since 1066. In 1961 London was 97.7% white now it's 37%.

 

 

Same every where in the world. Look at New York or any American city. The idea of multiculturalism was a lie and disproven decades ago in the US. Notice how all the whites (the blue dots) got pushed out of the city center. Same in London too as I understand it. But you got the GDP bro so it was totally worth it.

 

[DonniePeverley]

22 minutes ago, jippytum said:

You fail to note the difference between illegal immigration and legal migration important difference. 

 

 

LEGAL MIGRATION INTO THE UK for last year (net) was 782,000 

ILLEGAL MIGRATION INTO THE UK for last year was 52,000

 

The vast majority of migration into the UK was LEGAL migration. 

[NorthernRyland]

2 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

That's the second time you've mentioned African immigrants. 

 

Firstly, the vast majority of immigation into the UK is not African immigrants, and even it is was ... what issue do you have? 

 

Africa and India is where they can siphon people from. All the better more functional  countries have falling birthrates too. It's a race to bottom. I mention Africa because it's one of the worst most dysfunctional places on earth so why do you want their people? No one retires in Africa or barely travels there even. Same for India so why do you want their people?

[proton]

30 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

The report was refuted as being nonsense. But damage done for racists who picked it and now treating it like fact. 

It was refuted but found to be true

[DonniePeverley]

1 minute ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

Same every where in the world. Look at New York or any American city. The idea of multiculturalism was a lie and disproven decades ago in the US. Notice how all the whites (the blue dots) got pushed out of the city center. Same in London too as I understand it. But you got the GDP bro so it was totally worth it.

 

 

 

 

Are you mad? New York is literally built on immigration. 

 

Black migration into America is a bizarre one you are now focussing in on .... are you blaming black people for being shipped over as slaves?

 

Incidentally are you aware of how many Indian soldiers died for the UK during both world wars? 

[brewsterbudgen]

1 minute ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

LEGAL MIGRATION INTO THE UK for last year (net) was 782,000 

ILLEGAL MIGRATION INTO THE UK for last year was 52,000

 

The vast majority of migration into the UK was LEGAL migration. 

 

Hopefully Labour will do away with the Tories' policy of increasing the salary level for Settlement visas - or will Starmer kow-tow to the prevailing anti-immigrant mood (Reform!) and go ahead with it?

[Bkk Brian]

31 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

The report was refuted as being nonsense. But damage done for racists who picked it and now treating it like fact. 

Refuted by who? 

[proton]

14 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

What's the problem with non white immigration ? 

 

Incidentally ... 

 

The white population in London is 55% by the governments statisitcs. A further 15-20 percent are Europeans from Spain, France, european union countries  (who are not classed as whites). 

 

If you go to cities further north, like Sunderland ... the white population is close to 98%. 

 

But what's the issue you have?

 

For example, the Sikh population in the UK are brilliant people. They work hard, contribute, very low crime, provide free food at their temples. 

The polish population are another group that work so hard, brilliant people. 

 

What's the issue you have?

 

 

 

 

Most non white immigrants do not work and cost the UK billions in benefits