1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The Foreign Minister of Hungary not holding back 

 

 

Putin apollogist extream. Worthles reading your Boreing tripe.

You have so much to learn and it is true your not worth the time spent 

3 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

Putin apollogist extream. Worthles reading your Boreing tripe.

You have so much to learn and it is true your not worth the time spent 

AI Overview

 

In slang, tripe refers to worthless or silly speech, writing, or ideas, similar to "nonsense" or "rubbish". The term can be used to describe a "load of tripe" when someone wants to express that something is completely false or a load of rubbish. This slang usage evolved from the original meaning of tripe as the edible lining of an animal's stomach. 

1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The Foreign Minister of Hungary not holding back 

 

 

It's a legitimate military target located within Russia. Hungary and Slovakia made the stupid choice of not seeking alternative energy sources. If they're going to fund Putin's genocidal war machine, expect pushback. Congratulations to Ukraine for their targeting success.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's a legitimate military target within Russia.

Every stoppage of Putins war machine and income path is targeted as honorable. 

6 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

Putin apollogist extream. Worthles reading your Boreing tripe.

You have so much to learn and it is true your not worth the time spent 

You might want to brush up on your grammar and if you don’t like my posts, just jog on and leave your rage emojis like everyone else. I don’t live in an echo chamber; never have. And for those who do, some harsh reality checks are on the horizon. A lot of Western treasure and credibility has been poured into Ukraine, framed as some existential battle of good versus evil, with fears of a domino effect and Adolf Putler cast as a reincarnated Hitler bent on European domination. Well, I’m sorry but I just don’t buy it. In fact, I see our support as a threat to our own comfortable way of life, dragged into a conflict we have no real stake in. If that makes me a Putin shill, commie or useful idot in your eyes so be it I've got broad shoulders and have a life away from this forum and I always try to be polite and make an effort into my contributions unlike some.

Just now, beautifulthailand99 said:

You might want to brush up on your grammar and if you don’t like my posts, just jog on and leave your rage emojis like everyone else. I don’t live in an echo chamber; never have. And for those who do, some harsh reality checks are on the horizon. A lot of Western treasure and credibility has been poured into Ukraine, framed as some existential battle of good versus evil, with fears of a domino effect and Adolf Putler cast as a reincarnated Hitler bent on European domination. Well, I’m sorry but I just don’t buy it. In fact, I see our support as a threat to our own comfortable way of life, dragged into a conflict we have no real stake in. If that makes me a Putin shill, commie or useful idot in your eyes so be it I've got broad shoulders and have a life away from this forum and I always try to be polite and make an effort into my contributions unlike some.

All of us have a claim to Russian aggression. Your not going to see it anyways but you can stay ignorant as that seems like a comfort zone for you .

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's a legitimate military target located within Russia. Hungary and Slovakia made the stupid choice of not seeking alternative energy sources. If they're going to fund Putin's genocidal war machine, expect pushback. Congratulations to Ukraine for their targeting success.

Well Hungary is a member of NATO and their critical security infrastructure has been hit by a so called friend. I would say the increasing caution countries with borders on Russia to be prudent unlike the Baltics with large Russian populations with the loudest most strident voices. Kallas is almost deranged in her stridency yet her husband had Russian business interests until he was outed. They also were the most fanatical Nazis back in WW2 very enthusiaistic in rounding up jews and others to be exterminated. If they want to build the new Maginot line and spend 50% of their GDP on defence - go ahead why not but common sesne would say probably better to try diplomacy with your psychotic much larger neighbour and show some fealty. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/28/estonia-pm-under-pressure-husband-russian-alleged-business-links-kaja-kallas

7 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

You might want to brush up on your grammar and if you don’t like my posts, just jog on and leave your rage emojis like everyone else. I don’t live in an echo chamber; never have. And for those who do, some harsh reality checks are on the horizon. A lot of Western treasure and credibility has been poured into Ukraine, framed as some existential battle of good versus evil, with fears of a domino effect and Adolf Putler cast as a reincarnated Hitler bent on European domination. Well, I’m sorry but I just don’t buy it. In fact, I see our support as a threat to our own comfortable way of life, dragged into a conflict we have no real stake in. If that makes me a Putin shill, commie or useful idot in your eyes so be it I've got broad shoulders and have a life away from this forum and I always try to be polite and make an effort into my contributions unlike some.

History doesn't repeat.

It rhymes.

And genocidal war criminal dictator Putin is rhyming bigly.

 

 

Just now, beautifulthailand99 said:

Well Hungary is a member of NATO and their critical security infrastructure has been hit by a so called friend. I would say the increasing caution countries with borders on Russia to be prudent unlike the Baltics with large Russian populations with the loudest most strident voices. Kallas is almost deranged in her stridency yet her husband had Russian business interests until he was outed. They also were the most fanatical Nazis back in WW2 very enthusiaistic in rounding up jews and others to be exterminated. If they want to build the new Maginot line and spend 50% of their GDP on defence - go ahead why not but common sesne would say probably better to try diplomacy with your psychotic much larger neighbour and show some fealty. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/28/estonia-pm-under-pressure-husband-russian-alleged-business-links-kaja-kallas

Hungary was NOT hit.

Waste of time commenting further after you posted that lie.

 

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

History doesn't repeat.

It rhymes.

And genocidal war criminal dictator Putin is rhyming bigly.

 

 

I await @MicroB riposte with  interest but truth be told if he ignores me I wil get bored and go away - I like a spirited debate and he certainly gives one  - reminds me of the old days here where there was no where else to be. Now there is everywhere else. 

Paramedics to Step In Where Doctors Are Missing

In response to a growing crisis in its healthcare system, Russia will allow paramedics and midwives without higher medical education to act as primary care providers beginning September 1.

 

Under the new rules introduced by the Ministry of Health, non-degree-holding medical personnel will be permitted to conduct patient exams, take medical histories, run basic tests, prescribe medications, and refer patients to specialists when necessary.

 

According to figures presented by Health Minister Mikhail Murashko earlier this year, Russia is short by 23,300 doctors and 63,600 mid-level healthcare workers nationwide. The situation is particularly dire in rural areas.

 

Russia Runs Out of Doctors: Paramedics Without Degrees Now Treating Patients

 

3 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I await @MicroB riposte with  interest but truth be told if he ignores me I wil get bored and go away - I like a spirited debate and he certainly gives one  - reminds me of the old days here where there was no where else to be. Now there is everywhere else. 

 please go time is right 

Just now, sharot724 said:

 please go time is right 

We won't be that lucky.

Ukrainian forces destroyed two bridges in the Russian territory of Belgorod in separate operations. Video footage from both operations showed that the bridges were knocked out because they were mined by Russian forces. 

 

The pile of mines was struck by an ODIN 10 first-person view drone, which triggered the mines. “As a result of the operation, Russian troops lost the ability to use the crossing, which significantly complicated their logistics routes in the border area,” Militarnyi noted. 

 

“In both cases, the mines were not laid separately under the supports, but were put together in a large charge. This allowed for a much greater explosive force,” Militarnyi reporte. Frontline footage of bridges being destroyed thanks to the help of TM-62 mines, or these mines being destroyed in large stockpiles, has become quite abundant in recent weeks. 

 

Strategic Blow: Ukraine destroys two key Russian bridges

2 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

 please go time is right 

There is the ignore function that is oft referenced in the Forum Support sub forum - you can put me on ignore and hey presto I dissapear and I've been here for 14 years whilst you joined very recently. You won't rmember the good old days. 

Just now, Jingthing said:

We won't be that lucky.

hope springs eternal

Russian media: Russia is on the brink of a gasoline crisis

 

Western sanctions as well as Ukraine’s long-range attacks is putting pressure on the Russian oil industry.

Russia is facing a deepening fuel crisis as wholesale gasoline production has dropped sharply since the start of 2025.

 

According to the Russian news outlet Kommersant, daily output has fallen by 17.3%, from an average of 123,600 tons in January to just 102,200 tons by mid-August. This decline has triggered a surge in gasoline prices across the country.

 

Fuel prices have soared in tandem with the production slump.

The Moscow Times reported on August 18 that the national index for AI-92 gasoline—comparable to regular unleaded—climbed to 71,500 rubles (around $890) per ton. AI-95, the premium variant, shot up to 80,430 rubles (approximately $1,000) per ton.

These prices rose by 1.3% and 2.2% respectively in just one day.

 

Russian media: Russia is on the brink of a gasoline crisis

 

The year-on-year figures are even more alarming.

Since January 2025, AI-92 gasoline prices have surged nearly 38%, while AI-95 has risen a staggering 49%.

 

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

We won't be that lucky.

I begged to be permanenly banned a while back but it was denied me. On Mumsnet (yes you read that right) I actually deleted my account to stop me time wasting - it worked in case of that forum. 

On August 22nd, the Ukrainian Navy reported that it destroyed several Russian military drones after its forces attacked a Russian airfield in occupied Crimea. Satellite imagery posted alongside a statement revealed what happened.

 

According to the Ukrainian Navy, it struck the Khersones airbase, which is located just outside the city of Sevastopol on the Cape Khersones. At least five strike drones were destroyed after the building housing them was destroyed. 

 

“As a result of the strike, up to three Mohajer-6 UAVs and two Forpost UAVs were hit. These were used by the enemy to monitor the surface situation in the Black Sea,” the Ukrainian Navy explained, according to Militarnyi. 

 

 

The actuel clans ruling Ukraine do not really want peace. As if the wars stops, so will the flow of the billions of dollars in US or Europen aid stop. Funny that the medias never mention the many citizens of Ukraine who are against the politics of their ruling elites in Kiev. Nobody also ever mentions the many military grade western made weapons sent to Ukraine but that end up in the hands of Ukrainian or Russian mafias and sold to the highest bider. What about all those reports of soldiers on the Ukrainian front lines who have to pay for their military gear, despite that is has been provided free by NATO. Of course all this is naturally fake news, plainly propaganda etc etc...really ? Not so sure. 

6 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

The actuel clans ruling Ukraine do not really want peace. As if the wars stops, so will the flow of the billions of dollars in US or Europen aid stop. Funny that the medias never mention the many citizens of Ukraine who are against the politics of their ruling elites in Kiev. Nobody also ever mentions the many military grade western made weapons sent to Ukraine but that end up in the hands of Ukrainian or Russian mafias and sold to the highest bider. What about all those reports of soldiers on the Ukrainian front lines who have to pay for their military gear, despite that is has been provided free by NATO. Of course all this is naturally fake news, plainly propaganda etc etc...really ? Not so sure. 

I now believe that Putin’s plan is to turn Ukraine into a failed state one that the West eventually walks away from, both militarily and economically. If the flow of foreign weapons and money were to stop, the state could collapse. Warlordism would likely fill the vacuum, often led by paramilitary groups or extreme nationalists, while the West would pretend it just never happened.

The prolonged nature of the war, Putin’s iron grip on power, and the growing influence of leaders like Trump in the U.S., along with European partners such as Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria, and to a lesser extent Austria  either leaning pro-Russia or opting for neutrality clearly show the direction of travel.None of this was inevitable. The peace deal that was reportedly close in 2022 until Boris Johnson and others intervened to block it could have set a framework that avoided the disaster we’ve all witnessed since.

52 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I await @MicroB riposte with  interest but truth be told if he ignores me I wil get bored and go away - I like a spirited debate and he certainly gives one  - reminds me of the old days here where there was no where else to be. Now there is everywhere else. 

make sure it's a one way ticket

Putin is loosing and the faster India, Turkey, Hungary, Slovakia and maybe China stop buying oil and gas , Putin's days will be counted as he also faces major problems at home, Russia's economy is on the brink of total collapse

 

UK Security Expert Explains How Putin Has 'Really Lost Badly Already' In Ukraine

https://au.news.yahoo.com/uk-security-expert-explains-putin-172903037.html

 

 

 

there are more and more reports about Russia's finance troubles

Russia is ‘teetering on the brink of a recession’ and headed for a disastrous harvest, while Putin’s other top source of cash plunges

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-teetering-brink-recession-headed-221324804.html

 

38 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I now believe that Putin’s plan is to turn Ukraine into a failed state one that the West eventually walks away from, both militarily and economically. If the flow of foreign weapons and money were to stop, the state could collapse. Warlordism would likely fill the vacuum, often led by paramilitary groups or extreme nationalists, while the West would pretend it just never happened.

The prolonged nature of the war, Putin’s iron grip on power, and the growing influence of leaders like Trump in the U.S., along with European partners such as Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria, and to a lesser extent Austria  either leaning pro-Russia or opting for neutrality clearly show the direction of travel.None of this was inevitable. The peace deal that was reportedly close in 2022 until Boris Johnson and others intervened to block it could have set a framework that avoided the disaster we’ve all witnessed since.

No. The so called "deal" in 2022 was not viable. It included a veto by Russia for actions against aggression from ... Russia. The Russians are trying to play that same cynical game again. But western Kremlin propaganda parrots do their work for them -- broadcasting their lies. 

57 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The peace deal that was reportedly close in 2022 until Boris Johnson and others intervened to block it could have set a framework that avoided the disaster we’ve all witnessed since.

 

According to a study published in 2024, this was not the case.

 

Quote

 Johnson didn’t directly sabotage a ceasefire deal in spring 2022; indeed, there was no deal ready to be signed between Russia and Ukraine. The two sides hadn’t agreed on territorial issues, or on levels of military armaments permitted after the war. Ukraine’s position during the negotiations necessitated security guarantees that western states were hesitant to provide. And there were domestic political questions inside Ukraine related to Russian demands about “denazification” to contend with.

 

Did Boris Johnson really sabotage peace talks between Russia and Ukraine? The reality is more complicated

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/22/boris-johnson-ukraine-2022-peace-talks-russia

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No. The so called "deal" in 2022 was not viable. It included a veto by Russia for actions against aggression from ... Russia. The Russians are trying to play that same cynical game again. But western Kremlin propaganda parrots do their work for them -- broadcasting their lies. 

Over a million dead, a weaker negotiating position than before, and a country surviving on foreign aid life support. The RAND Corporation essentially a Pentagon-adjacent think tank has long warned that jaw-jaw is better than war-war. But few listened. And here we are. I'm sure the ex Israeli PM wouldn't lie either. 

 

 

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Over a million dead, a weaker negotiating position than before, and a country surviving on foreign aid life support. The RAND Corporation essentially a Pentagon-adjacent think tank has long warned that jaw-jaw is better than war-war. But few listened. And here we are. I'm sure the ex Israeli PM wouldn't lie either. 

 

 

You're so naive.

For jaw jaw to work both sides want to want peace.

Putin does not want peace!

Repeat that 1000 times.

He wants Ukraine.

He doesn't believe that Ukraine deserves to exist with a sovereign identity independent of Russia.

He doesn't believe Russia has a future without erasing Ukraine.

How dense does anyone need to be not to get that basic thing yet?!?

 

14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You're so naive.

For jaw jaw to work both sides want to want peace.

Putin does not want peace!

Repeat that 1000 times.

He wants Ukraine.

He doesn't believe that Ukraine deserves to exist with a sovereign identity independent of Russia.

He doesn't believe Russia has a future without erasing Ukraine.

How dense does anyone need to be not to get that basic thing yet?!?

 

The crucial question is this: Can Ukraine actually win and if not, are we prepared to risk World War III to try and make it happen?

After years of grinding warfare, Ukraine is running low on manpower, ammunition, and international political goodwill. The much-hyped counteroffensives have stalled, territory has been lost, and Western support is showing clear signs of fatigue. Meanwhile, Russia has dug in, ramped up weapons production, and is betting the West will blink first.

Now the deeper cost emerges: What does this mean for Ukraine’s long-term survival? A country bled dry, depopulated, economically dependent, and fractured by warlordism or political instability is hardly a “victory.” And for the West, the price of endless war is steepbillions in aid, political polarization, stretched military stockpiles, and growing risk of escalation with a nuclear-armed power.

At some point, idealism must confront reality I know that is an anathennma to many here but I beleive it to to be true nonetheless. 

 

It's starting to look like one of those stories you hear from old travellers a farang in some Thai bar who realises too late the bill's a scam, the staff are all in on it, and the doors being watched. But instead of cutting his losses, pride gets the better of him. He tries to fight back, not knowing the bouncers been doing Muay Thai since they could walk. The fights over before it begins, but he swings anyway cause backing down feels like loosing face and the longer the farang fightsthe higher the chance he is a dead man. 

 

That’s what this war feels like now. We walked in thinking we knew the game, stayed too long hoping it’d make sense, and now we're stuck in something we can’t win. The longer we stay, the more we bleed  money, credibility, any sense of direction. And the way out is getting smaller by the day.

 

It also looks like if opinion polls are to be beleived the Ukraianians have had enough as well. August 7th btw

 

LONDON — Most Ukrainians now favor ending the war with Russia through negotiations, as support for fighting until victory has dropped sharply since the early days of the conflict. Although their hopes for joining NATO and the European Union have faded and approval of U.S. leadership has plummeted, Ukrainians still see the EU, U.K. and U.S. as key to ending the war. Yet, most doubt that will happen anytime soon.

More than three years into the war, Ukrainians’ support for continuing to fight until victory has hit a new low. In Gallup’s most recent poll of Ukraine — conducted in early July — 69% say they favor a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible, compared with 24% who support continuing to fight until victory.

This marks a nearly complete reversal from public opinion in 2022, when 73% favored Ukraine fighting until victory and 22% preferred that Ukraine seek a negotiated end as soon as possible.

 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx

17 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The crucial question is this: Can Ukraine actually win and if not, are we prepared to risk World War III to try and make it happen?

After years of grinding warfare, Ukraine is running low on manpower, ammunition, and international political goodwill. The much-hyped counteroffensives have stalled, territory has been lost, and Western support is showing clear signs of fatigue. Meanwhile, Russia has dug in, ramped up weapons production, and is betting the West will blink first.

Now the deeper cost emerges: What does this mean for Ukraine’s long-term survival? A country bled dry, depopulated, economically dependent, and fractured by warlordism or political instability is hardly a “victory.” And for the West, the price of endless war is steepbillions in aid, political polarization, stretched military stockpiles, and growing risk of escalation with a nuclear-armed power.

At some point, idealism must confront reality I know that is an anathennma to many here but I beleive it to to be true nonetheless. 

 

It's starting to look like one of those stories you hear from old travellers a farang in some Thai bar who realises too late the bill's a scam, the staff are all in on it, and the doors being watched. But instead of cutting his losses, pride gets the better of him. He tries to fight back, not knowing the bouncers been doing Muay Thai since they could walk. The fights over before it begins, but he swings anyway cause backing down feels like loosing face and the longer the farang fightsthe higher the chance he is a dead man. 

 

That’s what this war feels like now. We walked in thinking we knew the game, stayed too long hoping it’d make sense, and now we're stuck in something we can’t win. The longer we stay, the more we bleed  money, credibility, any sense of direction. And the way out is getting smaller by the day.

 

It also looks like if opinion polls are to be beleived the Ukraianians have had enough as well. August 7th btw

 

LONDON — Most Ukrainians now favor ending the war with Russia through negotiations, as support for fighting until victory has dropped sharply since the early days of the conflict. Although their hopes for joining NATO and the European Union have faded and approval of U.S. leadership has plummeted, Ukrainians still see the EU, U.K. and U.S. as key to ending the war. Yet, most doubt that will happen anytime soon.

More than three years into the war, Ukrainians’ support for continuing to fight until victory has hit a new low. In Gallup’s most recent poll of Ukraine — conducted in early July — 69% say they favor a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible, compared with 24% who support continuing to fight until victory.

This marks a nearly complete reversal from public opinion in 2022, when 73% favored Ukraine fighting until victory and 22% preferred that Ukraine seek a negotiated end as soon as possible.

 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx

Finally I found some words of reason in this thread. As a Pole I see a lot of people here doesn't even have any historical/geopolitical background knowledge and their opinion are shaped by brainwashing, warmongering propaganda.