Imagine? No bombs, no military...

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On 2/2/2025 at 12:33 PM, bkk6060 said:

Be a Christian.  That is where they say you will be when you die. But here,  no way ever just more wars and human carnage.  

 

Why 'be christian', so any 'christians' are less than ethical, less than moral, very violent and selfish. 

 

Christian is not the silver bullet, never has been and no religion has ever been the silver bullet. 

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2 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

Greed. The need for.resources as a goal drives even strong minds to do horrible things.

 

Seems to me that strong / rampant capitalism is one of the main drivers of greed. 

 

Could be different.

[Thingamabob]

5 hours ago, Freddy42OZ said:

 

Huge sums of money that would have been spent on the military, could instead be spent on making life better for people. 

 

Not my point but never mind.

[AgMech Cowboy]

On 2/2/2025 at 12:23 PM, 1FinickyOne said:

If the world were at peace forever, no police - no military, the money saved would be enough to create a paradise for all... everyone would have a lovely home, there would be extraordinary gardens and hospitals, fabulous amusement areas, from museums to waterparks... great food - no cancer, no pain... 

 

what else? 

on earth as it is in Heaven. Amen!

[FlorC]

No bombs , no military > paradice ? Maybe with a control chip in every brain.

Soon we'll be sitting with 10's of billions people more.

Not sustainable.

[spidermike007]

I think if nothing else human beings on earth are proof that there is a lot of intelligent life out there in the universe. If we were the only relatively advanced species think of how pathetic the universe would be, think of how incredible a waste of space it would be. We prove that there are countless intelligent civilizations out there far more advanced than we are. It can't be otherwise. 

 

I also believe that we are devolving as a species, I think we are no longer advancing and perhaps over the last 20 years we have started to move backwards. Social media is a large part of that, and it is perhaps the most toxic force in contemporary culture today. 

[spidermike007]

They're your post is admirable for its level of idealism, I can't help but wonder what is the connection between not having a military and not having cancer nor pain? Could you please explain that to us? I'm sure many of us are mystified by that comment. 

 

It would truly be an extraordinary thing if armies were not needed, there are certain countries where you could make an argument they're more needed than in others. It's very easy to make an argument that they're not needed in Thailand, nor are they wanted, or desired, nor do they do anything whatsoever for the general well-being of the public.

 

They just suck huge amounts of gold from the treasury and offer very little in return. I think the appropriate term would be dead weight. 

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, FlorC said:

No bombs , no military > paradice ? Maybe with a control chip in every brain.

Soon we'll be sitting with 10's of billions people more.

Not sustainable.

Fortunately you are not correct in that assessment, the population of the planet will decline, it's already declining in many countries and if it weren't for the Muslim nations it would be declining dramatically. 

 

Many people who possess wisdom realize that this is just not a good time to be bringing babies into this world, more of them are just not necessary. 

 

If you look at the curves birth rates are falling all over the world, except in Africa, the forlorn continent. Falling in China, Thailand, Japan, etc. Some are predicting China's population to fall to 650 million within 50 years, the crisis is that bad. I don't call it a crisis. I think it's a huge  blessing.

 

There is nothing that could possibly be more positive for the future of Thailand, and the world, than a seriously declining birth rate. It's something that we need drastically. The last thing in the world this planet needs right now is an expanding population. 

 

Of course there will be challenges that will accompany a declining population, and those that support an ever expanding GDP will argue that a declining population is not sustainable. I would argue the exact opposite. 

 

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/the-51/20220121-global-decline-in-birth-rates-should-we-worry

 

Japan's population is projected to fall from a peak of 128 million in 2017 to less than 53 million by the end of the century.

 

Italy is expected to see an equally dramatic population crash from 61 million to 28 million over the same timeframe.

 

They are two of 23 countries - which also include Spain, Portugal, Thailand and South Korea - expected to see their population more than halve. Hooray!!! 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521

 

 

[1FinickyOne]

41 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I can't help but wonder what is the connection between not having a military and not having cancer nor pain? Could you please explain that to us?

It's the phenomenal amount of money spent on weapons and destruction... and then the rebuilding and rehabilitating. What if that money was spent on medical research, fancy hospitals, extraordinary new technology? They would have a cure for cancer and ways to control pain and a world full of beautiful gardens and museums as the focus of life would be different. 

 

Yes, it is more than idealistic - if everyone was rich, who would pick the apples and mop the floors [of, they would have machines for that] as well as flipping the burgers... but wouldn't the world be an incredible place if the money and resources were used only for good? 

[black tabby12345]

There is one thing I have noticed about human history.

 

Negative phenomenon like  ”Threat" and  "Shortage" have actually promoted mankind's evolution; urged them building a system to counter and overcome such obstacles.

 

Developing weapons for easier hunting and defense of their own(against the  enemy within  without).

 

Learning agriculture to secure food supply year around(store the harvest for cold winter) .

 

Forming a country/nation to boost their capability as the collective.

 

Inventing a currency for easier exchange of goods and services.

 

These essential needs have also modernized and updated.

And we can never forge/get off)  these things whatever time passes.

 

If there is an unrealistically Easy Life, there has to be someone/something that makes it possible.  And it just doesn't pop out of nothing.

 

So we cannot live like the first man and woman in Genesis. 

And even Adam and were eventually kicked out of their "Heaven" .

After their bleach of contract with their supporter.

 

If the world would not support just 2 of them for free, 

how can we expect billions(current world's population) more to be fed for free?

 

[1FinickyOne]

3 hours ago, black tabby12345 said:

how can we expect billions(current world's population) more to be fed for free?

Yes, of course you are right - - my dreams are surely not going to happen and will be going in the other direction... I am sensitive to pain, physical, emotional and so I dream a bit... 

[jesimps]

Disarming by not supplying weapons to nations, or even banning personal ownership of guns puts us at the mercy of bullies. The idiots of this world have no concept of fair play, they just see disarming as weakness. Look what happened to Ukraine after giving all their nukes to Russia. Also, there's a certain cult that cause problems wherever they gather, to whom violence is second nature and they carry it out in the name of their religion. Therefore to them it's the right thing to do. I'm afraid that living without bombs etc is just a pipe dream. A very naive concept.

[1FinickyOne]

2 minutes ago, jesimps said:

living without bombs etc is just a pipe dream. A very naive concept.

of course it is - I was just taking a moment to imagine how wonderful the world could be w/o the bombs and bullies and wars... and I was requesting others to join in the fantasy and imagine a different idyllic world if that money saved could be spent on good things to benefit all...

 

would you like a taste of an amazing chocolate? 

[Yellowtail]

8 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

Seems to me that strong / rampant capitalism is one of the main drivers of greed. 

 

Could be different.

The communists killed a lot more in the 20th century than the capitalists ever thought about. 

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29 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The communists killed a lot more in the 20th century than the capitalists ever thought about. 

 

I'm lost...