7 minutes ago, mogandave said:

So you do not know, which means you were lying when you said they did not receive billions. 

 

 

It'sbTrump who made an unsubstantiated claim. Trump was lying. It has been contradicted by facts from a reliable source. 

 

If you want to contradict this source  you need to come up with facts from a reliable source, and not by deflecting with unsubstantiated hypotheses. 

57 minutes ago, candide said:

It'sbTrump who made an unsubstantiated claim. Trump was lying. It has been contradicted by facts from a reliable source. 

 

If you want to contradict this source  you need to come up with facts from a reliable source, and not by deflecting with unsubstantiated hypotheses. 

You don’t know how much they got, so you are lying when claim Trump is lying.

Just now, mogandave said:

You don’t know how much they got, so you are lying when claim Trump is lying.

Actually you have a point as Trump did not specify how many billion and how many years.

 

So this part of Trump's message is unsubstantiated. It is extravagant, but only if one considers a short period of time (such as a single Presidential mandate). However, depending of how many billion are considered and how many years, it's not impossible.

 

This other claim  that the money was stolen, is a lie.

Just now, candide said:

Actually you have a point as Trump did not specify how many billion and how many years.

 

So this part of Trump's message is unsubstantiated. It is extravagant, but only if one considers a short period of time (such as a single Presidential mandate). However, depending of how many billion are considered and how many years, it's not impossible.

 

This other claim  that the money was stolen, is a lie.

Saying it’s stolen is just everyday Trump rhetoric. He says Canada is stealing from us, which is ridiculous.

 

What Trump says should be taken seriously, but not literally.

Regardless of what it was for, they were given the money. 

 

 

How about a little ole "large scale social deception",  about $9M worth.

 

"DOGE investigations reveal mysterious Defense Department payments to Reuters for "large scale social deception" 

 

 

More lies! 

 

Witness at First DOGE Hearing Confronts Lawmakers with Scale of Covid Fraud: ‘They Stole $1 Trillion’

3 hours ago, illisdean said:

 

 

How about a little ole "large scale social deception",  about $9M worth.

 

"DOGE investigations reveal mysterious Defense Department payments to Reuters for "large scale social deception" 

 

 

Another example of Biden's administration's fraud!

 

Oh wait! It started in 2018, so it was the Trump administration! 🤣!

 

And nothing "mysterious" about it. It's on usaspending.com, just like the other MAGA fake scandals!

 

https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_FA865018C7886_9700_-NONE-_-NONE-

 

And that's the subject of the contract:

 

ACTIVE SOCIAL ENGINEERING DEFENSE (ASED) LARGE SCALE SOCIAL DECEPTION (LSD)

 

North American Industry Classification System (NAICS)Code

54 : Professional, Scientific, and Technical Services

5417: Scientific Research and Development Services

541715: Research and Development in the Physical, Engineering, and Life Sciences (except Nanotechnology and Biotechnology)

Product or Service Code(PSC)

RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT

AC: C – National Defense R&D Services

AC62: R&D- DEFENSE SYSTEM: ELECTRONICS/COMMUNICATION EQUIPMENT (APPLIED RESEARCH/EXPLORATORY DEVELOPMENT)

 

What is social engineering Defense?

 

“The Active Social Engineering Defense (ASED) program aims to develop the core technology to enable the capability to automatically identify, disrupt, and investigate social engineering attacks. If successful, the ASED technology will do this by actively detecting attacks, intervening in communications between users and potential attackers, and coordinating investigations into the source of the attacks,” said the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).

https://www.klzradio.com/2025/02/07/u-s-military-under-scrutiny-over-9-million-payment-to-reuters-news-agency-worthy-news-investigation/

 

No wonder Musk did not show the full contract and only a part of it for the gullible MAGAs! 🙂

 

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

More lies! 

 

Witness at First DOGE Hearing Confronts Lawmakers with Scale of Covid Fraud: ‘They Stole $1 Trillion’

I wonder which President launched these tainted by fraud programs

Oh wait! 🤣

 

Most of the looted money was swiped from three large pandemic-relief initiatives launched during the Trump administration and inherited by President Joe Biden. Those programs were designed to help small businesses and unemployed workers survive the economic upheaval caused by the pandemic.

https://apnews.com/article/pandemic-fraud-waste-billions-small-business-labor-fb1d9a9eb24857efbe4611344311ae78

6 minutes ago, candide said:

I wonder which President launched these tainted by fraud programs

Oh wait! 🤣

 

Most of the looted money was swiped from three large pandemic-relief initiatives launched during the Trump administration and inherited by President Joe Biden. Those programs were designed to help small businesses and unemployed workers survive the economic upheaval caused by the pandemic.

https://apnews.com/article/pandemic-fraud-waste-billions-small-business-labor-fb1d9a9eb24857efbe4611344311ae78

What is your point? Do you support rooting it out and shutting it down or not? 

 

 

11 minutes ago, candide said:

I wonder which President launched these tainted by fraud programs

Oh wait! 🤣

 

Most of the looted money was swiped from three large pandemic-relief initiatives launched during the Trump administration and inherited by President Joe Biden. Those programs were designed to help small businesses and unemployed workers survive the economic upheaval caused by the pandemic.

https://apnews.com/article/pandemic-fraud-waste-billions-small-business-labor-fb1d9a9eb24857efbe4611344311ae78

It is interesting that the article you linked to is dated June, 2023 and nothing seems to have been done about it until now. 

 

Why do you suppose that is? 

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What is your point? Do you support rooting it out and shutting it down or not? 

 

 

Are these Covid programs still active? I doubt it.

Just now, candide said:

Are these Covid programs still active? I doubt it.

So just forget about it? 

 

I think we should find out where the money went, how it went and how to keep it from happening again. 

 

Might be possible to claw some back and prosecute some people. 

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It is interesting that the article you linked to is dated June, 2023 and nothing seems to have been done about it until now. 

 

Why do you suppose that is? 

Why should I suppose that nothing has been done? 😆

 

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-results-nationwide-covid-19-fraud-enforcement-action

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Why should I suppose that nothing has been done? 😆

 

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-results-nationwide-covid-19-fraud-enforcement-action

 

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So just forget about it? 

 

I think we should find out where the money went, how it went and how to keep it from happening again. 

 

Might be possible to claw some back and prosecute some people. 

Replied already! You are continuously making unsubstantiated assumptions!

3 minutes ago, candide said:

Why should I suppose that nothing has been done? 😆

 

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-results-nationwide-covid-19-fraud-enforcement-action

So $1.4B out of $403B, nice! 

13 minutes ago, candide said:

You are continuously making unsubstantiated assumptions!

It always does, especially if it's post count is getting low!

15 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So $1.4B out of $403B, nice! 

So they did something. You made a baseless assumption.

 

It was mid 2023. Where does this 430$ billion number come from?

EPA administrator Zeldin demands return of $20B in taxpayer money wasted by Biden administration

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/epa-administrator-zeldin-demands-return-20b-taxpayer-money-wasted-biden-administration

 

"The days of irresponsibly shoveling boatloads of cash to far-left activist groups in the name of environmental justice and climate equity are over," Zeldin said. "The American public deserves a more transparent and accountable government than what transpired these past four years."

10 minutes ago, candide said:

So they did something. You made a baseless assumption.

 

It was mid 2023. Where does this 430$ billion number come from?

I assume it came from the same place as all it's previous outrageous posts; It's imagination!

3 minutes ago, Screaming said:

EPA administrator Zeldin demands return of $20B in taxpayer money wasted by Biden administration

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/epa-administrator-zeldin-demands-return-20b-taxpayer-money-wasted-biden-administration

 

"The days of irresponsibly shoveling boatloads of cash to far-left activist groups in the name of environmental justice and climate equity are over," Zeldin said. "The American public deserves a more transparent and accountable government than what transpired these past four years."

So it is NOT the news saying it but just the political nonentity  "Zeldin" making the statement as if it was fact!

7 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

I assume it came from the same place as all it's previous outrageous posts; It's imagination!

You are polite! 🙂

1 minute ago, candide said:

You are polite! 🙂

Thank you!

As you know I am very shy and retiring wrt deserving causes:

BUT only when warranted!

18 minutes ago, Screaming said:

EPA administrator Zeldin demands return of $20B in taxpayer money wasted by Biden administration

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/epa-administrator-zeldin-demands-return-20b-taxpayer-money-wasted-biden-administration

 

"The days of irresponsibly shoveling boatloads of cash to far-left activist groups in the name of environmental justice and climate equity are over," Zeldin said. "The American public deserves a more transparent and accountable government than what transpired these past four years."

Already reported to Trumps head wingperson Ag Pam Bondi!

 

Your gonna find Zeldin expose a lot of Funds diverted or stolen from the Epa ! 

The Marxist & other far left extremist anti American organizations were gonna use it for social justice campaigns!

https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases-republican?ID=20D83995-41BD-4141-9333-0C4A9D36A197

 

 

 

 

 

53 minutes ago, candide said:

So they did something. You made a baseless assumption.

 

It was mid 2023. Where does this 430$ billion number come from?

You’re lying again. I never said they did nothing.

 

The $403B (not $430B) came from the article you linked to. Did you not read it?

I understand people hate Trump, but I do not understand people people not wanting to reduce fraud and waste. 

 

A lot of people voted for exactly this, and they knew Musk would be a big part of it. 

 

Best case scenario, we have a lot of money going out, with people that are not paying attention, supervised by incompetents. 

 

 

47 minutes ago, mogandave said:

You’re lying again. I never said they did nothing.

 

The $403B (not $430B) came from the article you linked to. Did you not read it?

Do you have two forum IDs? I was replying to Yelowtail! 🤣

 

And it's you lying again. It's not in the article I posted! 🙂

30 minutes ago, candide said:

Do you have two forum IDs? I was replying to Yelowtail! 🤣

 

And it's you lying again. It's not in the article I posted! 🙂

Yes, it is in the article you linked to. You have to add two numbers together, but it’s there.

 

On 2/9/2025 at 8:19 PM, candide said:

Unrelated broken record blah blah again.

 

Unlike you, I don't deny the result of any election.

 

The fact that Trump won doesn't change the fact that you posted MAGA misinformation. 🙂

 

MAGA rules, and you are an esteemed low level member promoting the lost cause Biden era losers who got destruction-ized by MAGA, a much superior entity then anything on the DEI woke obsessed liberal card and who now resort to displaying and confirming their genre with their constant imbecile actions since they are far too stupid to see the next day on their losing calendar. Trump beat your useless democrats without breaking a sweat as he did with Hillary. You are on the losing side for thick and dense bone heads. u r in a mess!

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

I understand people hate Trump, but I do not understand people people not wanting to reduce fraud and waste. 

I totally agree regarding any president/premier/ruler of any country  wanting to reduce waste!

The only problem is the underhand obfuscating way in which Trump claims to be attempting to do it!