Rising Anti-Israel Sentiments in Pai Following Tourists Misconduct

[Gottfrid]

52 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

15. You will not discriminate or post slurs, degrading or overly negative comments on the basis of race, gender, age, religion, ethnicity, nationality, disability, medical history, marriage, civil partnership, pregnancy, maternity, paternity, gender identity, sexual orientation or any other irrelevant factor.

 

So, Mr. Malcolm has become a moderator? Didn´t see that anywhere. I am not breaking that rule, as a do not focus on a specific subject mentioned. I took 3 different races, that stands for most of the problems in Thailand at the moment, and formed my opinion. Did not post any slurs or degrading comments. Neither did I say anything even remotely negative about them.

[Gottfrid]

53 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

Can we add some Thai's to that list too? 

Surely. My list do not discriminate any race nor religion. They will fit right in on the front bench.

[NorthernRyland]

43 minutes ago, PomPolo said:

Are you saying hatred of Jewish people is rational?  If so you have broken one of the moderators previous posts rule on forum etiquette

You're not getting it. This article mislead you and it's a lie quite frankly. They're dealing with young men in their 20s probably just came out of their required military training and act like punks. Thai people k now nothing about Jews and the history in Europe or the conflict in Israel they're just reacting to a group of people who are behaving so badly on average they needed to ban them outright.

[NorthernRyland]

42 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

I don't agree, they should just make it easier for the Immigration Police to deport the troublemakers (all nationalities) on the spot, if you cause trouble, straight to IDC and on your way home after being fined heavily and blacklisted.

it's not practical to get all these people deported and before that happens they need to cause problems in the first place. By simply banning them they don't need to go through the hoops, even if that was an option which I'd say it isn't.

[PomPolo]

1 minute ago, NorthernRyland said:

You're not getting it. This article mislead you and it's a lie quite frankly. They're dealing with young men in their 20s probably just came out of their required military training and act like punks. Thai people k now nothing about Jews and the history in Europe or the conflict in Israel they're just reacting to a group of people who are behaving so badly on average they needed to ban them outright.

I am not sure any specific groups of people behave more badly than others, any nationality or religion will have aholes that give the rest of them a bad name it's just sometimes all the aholes congregate in one place giving that group in question a bad reputation.

[NorthernRyland]

45 minutes ago, PomPolo said:

This also is against forum rules to suggest a full scale ban on people from a certain country I am very surprised the moderators haven't removed all your anti-semetic posts

I didn't ban anyone, Thais did that. Unlike America where you dont' have the right to serve who want in your own business Thai's still have that right and so they use it.  

[lordgrinz]

1 minute ago, NorthernRyland said:

it's not practical to get all these people deported and before that happens they need to cause problems in the first place. By simply banning them they don't need to go through the hoops, even if that was an option which I'd say it isn't.

 

Banning people by discriminating against them is wrong, and won't win Thailand anything but more disgust in their own behavior.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, NorthernRyland said:

You're not getting it. This article mislead you and it's a lie quite frankly. They're dealing with young men in their 20s probably just came out of their required military training and act like punks. Thai people k now nothing about Jews and the history in Europe or the conflict in Israel they're just reacting to a group of people who are behaving so badly on average they needed to ban them outright.

Of course Thai people know about the current conflict. Some of their hostages have just left an Israeli hospital and returned  to Thailand having been released from the Hamas tunnels after 500 days in captivity.

 

[NorthernRyland]

1 minute ago, PomPolo said:

I am not sure any specific groups of people behave more badly than others, any nationality or religion will have aholes that give the rest of them a bad name it's just sometimes all the aholes congregate in one place giving that group in question a bad reputation.

well they are. That's not what you're getting. Go to Pai for a few months and watch what they do then maybe you'll understand. They put up with lots of crap before it got to this point but you weren't there to see it so you don't understand.

[chiman]

Brainwashed woke crowd can't see a gun pointed to their own face.  Yea!! Queers for Palestine!  Terrorist are the heroes!!  The only democracy in the Middle East is bad because they are jewish!  At least be honest and stop hiding behind your BS "being anti Israel or anti Zion...blah blah blah" 

 

Many of the current leaders/families in the ME parents and grandparents were in bed with the Nazis, and continue the work today.  Hopefully the Abraham accords can expand and Iran can loose its grip on communities bordering Israel.  

 

Lots of tourist misbehave, and many end up dead.  

[NorthernRyland]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Of course Thai people know about the current conflict. Some of their hostages have just left an Israeli hospital and returned  to Thailand having been released from the Hamas tunnels after 500 days in captivity.

 

 

The average Thai person in Pai doesn't have any stakes in the conflict and they didn't ban them because of what the Jews are doing in Israel. It's strictly a practical matter for them because it's gotten that intolerable.

[hotsun]

Just now, NorthernRyland said:

well they are. That's not what you're getting. Go to Pai for a few months and watch what they do then maybe you'll understand. They put up with lots of crap before it got to this point but you weren't there to see it so you don't understand.

Thai people in phuket put up with alot from russians as well. But theres so many of them, banning them would put them out of business. It is always just about money here

[NorthernRyland]

16 minutes ago, advancebooking said:

I travelled south america by myself in 1996. I saw a lot of hotels with signs saying no isrealis allowed. 

 

They travel in groups after they finish the army. Big heads and immature. I hated seeing them. 

Exactly. Some people are not getting this is a pattern of behavior and nothing about Jews per se.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

The average Thai person in Pai doesn't have any stakes in the conflict and they didn't ban them because of what the Jews are doing in Israel. It's strictly a practical matter for them because it's gotten that intolerable.

You said Thai's don't know about the current conflict, how wrong you are. Their own people are involved in it and one is still being held hostage

[NorthernRyland]

Just now, hotsun said:

Thai people in phuket put up with alot from russians as well. But theres so many of them, banning them would put them out of business. It is always just about money here

I can believe  that. The Israelis in Pai are small enough they could afford to ban them and deal with the rest of the tourists.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, CM Dad said:

 Seinfeld is not Israeli.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Jonathan Swift]

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Sounding to be much more anti Israeli than antisemitic.

I serioudly doubt Jerry Seinfeld would have any problem being served in Pai, unless there is some kind of soup Nazi`shop there.

You're right. It's the Israelis trying to deflect blame by playing the "anti-semite" victim card. I've actually read some threads where I saw them do it. I lectured the person on how he was shaming his own people and undermining his own cause by invoking that. The "race card" Isn't gonna work. This isn't Israel, and it isn't the US. They don't play that game here. If the Israelis don't clean house within their community someone will clear them out of the  house. It's one thing for the farang to complain. It's quite another when innocent hard working Thai people are being victimized. From my experience there is almost no police presence on the streets there. I imagine that is about to change. If Thailand wants these tourist dollars then they will have to babysit and provide daycare (jail) to the miscreants. I've read so many of these stories, and I know one of the restaurant owners. It's quite sad. 

[trainman34014]

28 minutes ago, advancebooking said:

I travelled south america by myself in 1996. I saw a lot of hotels with signs saying no isrealis allowed. 

 

They travel in groups after they finish the army. Big heads and immature. I hated seeing them. 

Yes; having had dealings with them in the past i found them quite arrogant and some had chips on their shoulders as big as The Rock of Gibralter !

[tedd]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Any person, Jewish, Israeli, or anything else that supports the right of Israel to exist is pro Zionist.

You have no understanding of what Zionism means.

Zionism does not conflate with current Israeli government policies.

Most current Israelis are NOT of European descent.

You're thinking of American Jews.

The Jewish people in general most definitely do have a historical connection to Israel. 

Older than Arabs for sure.

Israeli is a Jewish majority middle eastern country.

You're spouting ignorant propaganda.

Return UK to druids, or Vikings. , return America to the tripes. of Red Indiens, return Australia to aborigines, Africa. to the Africans.  ,I do think they got back. , rest of the known world to the Romans.  ,if you wont to go back.futher, those humans that lived in the Jungle. ,and used to eat fruit ,just learned to walk on 2 legs,and new invention was fire.  ,by now you should got the point.   

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, tedd said:

Return UK to druids, or Vikings. , return America to the tripes. of Red Indiens, return Australia to aborigines, Africa. to the Africans.  ,I do think they got back. , rest of the known world to the Romans.  ,if you wont to go back.futher, those humans that lived in the Jungle. ,and used to eat fruit ,just learned to walk on 2 legs,and new invention was fire.  ,by now you should got the point.   

1948 UN vote created two nations  Then the Arab world attacked. 

If you're against Israel existing join the club but it does exist.

[Jonathan Swift]

35 minutes ago, goldenbrwn1 said:

The Thai interest in Nazism has been around for years , decades. And the funny thing is, is that it has nothing to do with Nazi politics or anything to do with WW2 or the holocaust.  Typical Thais don’t know anything or even care about WW2. They just like the Nazi style , the black swastika on the red background,  WW2 German helmets etc.  I remember taking my son to his dance class back in 2003 and the whole ceiling was covered in about 20 Nazi flags! This was in a major shopping mall 😂.  When I asked the teacher about it , he just said he liked the style .

I know what you're saying, but if you don't mind me correcting you, as you said, Thai people use any graphic they happen to like regardless of its actual meaning to anyone else. So I wouldn't say they have an interest in "Nazism", because that is the actual political belief system, and obviously they're not interested in that or any other element of politics or world affairs. They like the decor. I've seen this myself, piles of confederate flags, NAZI memorabilia at flea markets. Remember, the swastika has been around and been used benignly across Eurasia for thousands of years. Thai people have an innocent naivete regarding such things. 

[Patong2021]

I've watched the usual hate spew  in the comments and few of them are rational or based on fact.  

The  anti Israel sentiment is foreigner based. The anti Israeli grafitti  and vandalism is coming from westerners, and French nationals of North African  extraction. This thread shows the bias that some westerners hold.  The Gulf arabs don't do  grafitti in Thailand. The Iranians don't waste their time on  petty vandalism either. 

 

The Thais don't perceive the Israelis any worse than other foreigners.  Don't tell me that the typical Thai can differentiate between a Russian and Israeli or even a German. My own friends cannot. The Israelis who are in the Pai area are like most of the other foreigners: Dirty, low class and without much money. One dirty farang is the same as any other to a Thai, and rightly so.

 

Yes, 3 idiots made a commotion. Unlike the Russians or the Europeans who do similar, they were fined and  deported. The holier than thou ignorance of the miserable elderly white Europeans and knuckle dragging Australians , who collectively seem to illogically hate anyone who is younger and  not of their  ethnic background would be funny save for the fact that they are circulating in Thailand making life miserable for everyone they interact with. The next time a Swiss nutter sets his dogs on people, or an english drunk has a vehicle crash injuring innocent people, be sure to bring your nooses and pitchforks.

 

Deal with the reality, that Thailand is a destination for a lower socio economic demographic. If it wasn't, Patong and Pattaya would have  been shuttered long ago. Pai would have been a ghost town by now. Nothing has changed much in Pai since the Autralians got jammed up for heroin, or the Canadian hippie was shot dead by the drunk cop. Anyone remember them?  Does anyone even remember the recent  tragedy with the young Belgian woman, found naked and dead last September after it was presumed she went  swimming in the nude. Had she shown some respect for local custom of staying clothed while  bathing, perhaps she would not have perished in Pai.

 

And I hate to break it to the bigots, but Thais have a much better understanding of Israel than they do of Europe or the Americas because almost 40,000 Thais now rotate in and out of Israel for work. They go for a year, or more  and come back, with money, despite all the negative comments made by westerners to the contrary. Only Canada and Hungary take in agricrultural workers  from Thailand like Israel, and their numbers are seasonal and below 2,000 each. 

[Artisi]

Don't understand why any Israeli or Jewish traveller wouldn't behave especially when you consider they are allowed / welcomed in Thailand. The reason they come here is because  they feel safer than other Asian countries that are or have a high concentration of Muslims. 

[Jonathan Swift]

8 hours ago, hotsun said:

Are israeli toruists really any worse than the russian ones in phuket? Maybe crazy western politics is making its way here too

When was the last time you were in Pai? Pai is not Phuket, such behavior is not the norm there and people neither expect nor deserve it. A dozen badly behaving individuals in a tiny place like Pai is far more damaging that in a huge place like Phuket because they are not prepared to have their community uprooted like that. Phuket, Pattaya, other places have been dealing with this for years, they're more or less used to it. This isn't "politics". It's more bad behavior by tourists because "be careful what you ask for". Whatever politics may be emigrating here exists only in the minds of those carrying it in their heads and projecting it onto Thailand, as you seem to be doing. The last Time I was in Pai I was rather stunned to find this to be the problem that it is. It's much worse than any other tourist behavior problem that I have seen here in 11 years. 

[madone]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

Tensions are simmering in Pai, Mae Hong Son, as anti-Semitic sentiments have surfaced, leading several businesses and a local restaurants to display signs stating that Israeli tourists are unwelcome.

 

This is bull<deleted>. 

it is not anti-semitism it is a response for people who have had enough of being retreated and disrespected.

Thai could not give a <deleted> that these people are jews, but rather that they can be arrogant pricks.

This is not the first time Thais have reacted to poor Israeli behavior -- on koh Phangan in the mid 90s to early 2000's Israelis were banned from many bungalow operations for simply being unbearable, they would come in large groups just out of military service and terrorize the place with their bad manners.

 

That died out and there were fewer around for nearly a decade

it seems things have come full circle. 

[madone]

47 minutes ago, advancebooking said:

I travelled south america by myself in 1996. I saw a lot of hotels with signs saying no isrealis allowed. 

 

They travel in groups after they finish the army. Big heads and immature. I hated seeing them. 

same thing here in the south in the late 90s they were awful and thai just said no after a while. 

[Andytheburiramman]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

Sign in a Pai restaurant declaring "No Israel here" on the right, and an image of the foreign tourist involved in an incident with two female restaurateurs on the left. Composite courtesy: AMARIN TV

 

Tensions are simmering in Pai, Mae Hong Son, as anti-Semitic sentiments have surfaced, leading several businesses and a local restaurants to display signs stating that Israeli tourists are unwelcome. This reaction follows disturbances caused by certain Israeli travellers.

 

On 8th February, Police Lieutenant Colonel Suwit Bunnaphen of the Mae Hong Son Tourist Police confirmed the removal of disruptive Israeli tourists from the country. These individuals were charged with causing disturbances at Pai Hospital and have had their entry permits revoked.

 

Picture courtesy: AMARIN TV

 

The incidents underscore concerns about some foreign tourists who, by behaving poorly and violating laws, disrupt the peace and order of the local community.

 

Police Major General Sakyasira Pueng-um, from the tourist police, emphasised rigorous law enforcement for all tourists, irrespective of nationality, aiming to ensure equal treatment and maintain peace.

 

Following these events, authorities in Pai intend to enforce tourism-related laws more strictly to ensure a harmonious environment for both tourists and locals.

 

Social media activity has compounded the situation. One Facebook user posted that a local restaurant has refused entry to Israeli tourists. Another post, featuring a video, showed inebriated tourists behaving inappropriately, leading to fear among local businesses. The post's author expressed security concerns, feeling anxious with only two women managing the establishment.

 

Picture courtesy: AMARIN TV

 

Immigration Police Inspector, Police Lieutenant Colonel Wichai Panna, said efforts are underway to locate and question the tourists from the viral video to address the concerns raised by local businesses.

 

In 2024, Pai saw 221,776 foreign tourists, including a significant number from Israel. However, official statistics often overestimate actual stays due to repeated accommodation reports for the same individuals as they move locations.

 

Currently, it is estimated that around 2,000 to 3,000 Israeli tourists reside in Pai, a notable reduction from official figures, reported Amarin TV.

 

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-- 2025-02-10

 

 

 

Need to get Trump over here, he can implement some ethnic cleansing and make Thailand great again 😁

[Jonathan Swift]

7 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Please understand that being anti- genocide is not anti- Semitism

Many Israelis are not Zionists

Most current Israelis are of European decent, not from Middle Eastern heritage and have no historical connection to the land

Thank you for that, for the 2% of folks that can understand such things. The rabid ones, however, will not be convinced and will continue to foam at the mouth

[Jonathan Swift]

4 hours ago, koolkarl said:

The airheads have been brainwashed by the media, in particular, Al Jazeera.  This is exactly what Hamas wants in its strategy.  So a couple of Israelis caused minor trouble and you see the reaction.  Recently I read that a couple of Indian men got caught urinating on the beach in Pattaya  and nothing happens!  I wouldn't frequent any Thai restaurant displaying an anti Israel sign and I am not from Israel. 

 

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

reside? so are they tourists ... or ? 

Meaning that those individuals are here on tourist visas. Making visa runs as necessary. See? Words and phrases can have multiple meanings

[madone]

14 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

young Belgian woman, found naked and dead last September after it was presumed she went  swimming in the nude. Had she shown some respect for local custom of staying clothed while  bathing, perhaps she would not have perished in Pai.

 

interesting remark. really says everything about you I need to know. 

 

love to hear you rationalize that out.