Rising Anti-Israel Sentiments in Pai Following Tourists Misconduct

[placnx]

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Any person, Jewish, Israeli, or anything else that supports the right of Israel to exist is pro Zionist.

You have no understanding of what Zionism means.

Zionism does not conflate with current Israeli government policies.

Most current Israelis are NOT of European descent.

You're thinking of American Jews.

The Jewish people in general most definitely do have a historical connection to Israel. 

Older than Arabs for sure.

Israeli is a Jewish majority middle eastern country.

You're spouting ignorant propaganda.

It is one thing to be willing to accept Israel within the 1967 borders, which many people agree to, and is not an approval of Zionism. On the other hand, the "right to exist" formulation is an opening to an expansionist narrative, where a two-state solution is an anathema. In the US and UK, we have Christian Zionists who are more ardent for Zionist expansionism than moderate Jewish people.

 

People like the Evangelical Mike Huckabee (US Ambassador designate) even deny the existence of Palestinians. It's a continuation of the line first promoted in the late 19th Century: A land without people for a people without land.

 

There are figures around for immigration into Israel. I would be surprised if Safarti Jewish arrivals outnumber those from Europe including Russia and the US. 

 

Another thing to consider is how many Jews were present in Palestine when Muslim armies arrived in the 7th Century and how many converted to Islam. 

[georgegeorgia]

10 hours ago, Aussie999 said:

A few Israelis cause a disturbance and we see this article, signs banning Israelis, Israelis deported, but not the same action against Russians, Indians, Poms, Aussies and many other nationalities... I guess too many, and too much money lost, and maybe Israelis refuse to pay the corruption payments.

They didn't refuse to pay.....Moshe just took a long time "haggling " over the bribe they wanted.

Oh don't be racist please 

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, placnx said:

 

Another thing to consider is how many Jews were present in Palestine when Muslim armies arrived in the 7th Century and how many converted to Islam. 

 

   Zero , because there wasn't a Country called Palestine back then 

[pub2022]

 

Have you recently been in Pai?

Have you seen what's going on there?

They lost control of the village.

A huge number of tourists are lining the pockets of hotel and restaurant owners, who are mostly Thais originally from the south, Bangkok or Chiang Mai, who have very little interest in things going back to normal.

[georgegeorgia]

58 minutes ago, dpeti73 said:

They just can't behave, in Bkk Taco Bell just walking in the kitchen area because he want wash hand, poor Thai staff try to stop him but he just push her away. In Europe they act same not respect other people at all. The worst type of tourists. 

They must be the uneducated type low class Israeli ,I'm sure all Israeli doesn't act like that 

 

[Jingthing]

I think time for a bit of balance with a more positive look at Israelis. Perhaps Israelis are a dish best enjoyed on their home turf?

 

 

[cardinalblue]

14 hours ago, save the frogs said:

reside? so are they tourists ... or ? 

We got ourselves an oxymoron 

[save the frogs]

50 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I think time for a bit of balance with a more positive look at Israelis. Perhaps Israelis are a dish best enjoyed on their home turf?

 

Israel should hire you man and pay you big bucks.

Maybe as "Minister of Public Image of Isrealis Abroad". 

 

[khunpeer]

15 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Please understand that being anti- genocide is not anti- Semitism

Many Israelis are not Zionists

Most current Israelis are of European decent, not from Middle Eastern heritage and have no historical connection to the land

this is definitely nót about that war, but more about their behaviour in Pai!

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, cardinalblue said:

We got ourselves an oxymoron 

 

   Was that the poster who stated that he was in the sea Cadets in Australia when he was a kid and that proves that Hamas aren't a terrorist group, because his sea cadets never attacked anyone ?

[NorthernRyland]

9 hours ago, Jonathan Swift said:

I know what you're saying, but if you don't mind me correcting you, as you said, Thai people use any graphic they happen to like regardless of its actual meaning to anyone else.

 

I've been listing to death metal for years and I see Thai teenagers with band shirts on and see them for sale even from time to time. I'm certain they don't know the music which is already obscure but they just like the graphic depictions and logo art.

 

[NorthernRyland]

Maybe this is old news or I forgot but those 4 Israelis that broke into the emergency room in Pai are being deported now.  The comments on this video confirm other people seeing the same signs in other countries over decades. It's a pattern of behavior which led to this, Thai's just  become "anti-semantic" overnight and target them over some prejudice based on a conflict happening overseas.

 

 

[NorthernRyland]

5 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

They must be the uneducated type low class Israeli ,I'm sure all Israeli doesn't act like that 

 

It's young men fresh out military service I think. They may have been at war in Gaza last month and then when they do their time they come to Thailand to relax and have fun and that's when the problems start. If these were middle class or even older Israeli people this wouldn't be happening I'm pretty sure. 

[NorthernRyland]

5 hours ago, pub2022 said:

Have you recently been in Pai?

Have you seen what's going on there?

They lost control of the village.

A huge number of tourists are lining the pockets of hotel and restaurant owners, who are mostly Thais originally from the south, Bangkok or Chiang Mai, who have very little interest in things going back to normal.

Pai is a tourist cesspit. The local people and culture has been ghettoized into the far corners of the valley. Between the hordes of tourists, rasta Thais from the south and pretentious Bangkok (and urban center)  douches with fancy hotels there's nothing left.

 

It will always be a lovely valley but it's totally spoiled I would say. Anyone who enjoys northern Thai culture should literally go anywhere else.

[Greenhill]

15 hours ago, The Old Bull said:

I don't care to much for either side but as an independent observer there is no doubt who the biggest murderers are.

And it's NOT the Israelis.   They have been killing terrorists, whereas Hamas were delighted to kill civilians in most barbarous ways.    It's obvious in ANY war that civilians get killed.    How many civilians were killed in Dresden under Allied bombing?   How many civilians were killed when H-bombs were dropped on Japan?     Oh, you don't care to mention those because it wasn't Israelis doing the killing.

[Greenhill]

9 hours ago, dpeti73 said:

They just can't behave, in Bkk Taco Bell just walking in the kitchen area because he want wash hand, poor Thai staff try to stop him but he just push her away. In Europe they act same not respect other people at all. The worst type of tourists. 

And how do you know 'he' was Israeli?   Did he speak Hebrew to you & you understood immediately that it was Hebrew????    Your example & generalities are farcical!!!

[ChaiyaTH]

No wonder they started to colonize phangan first and pai is like the second home for that. So likely they now do the same there.

[ChaiyaTH]

20 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not surprising the anti semitism is coming to the surface after their fixation with all things nazi. Education desperately needed here in Thailand

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-europe-battles-anti-semitism-thailand-grapples-with-nazi-chic/

 

Swastikas and statues, SE Asia's fixation with Nazi iconography

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1638402/swastikas-and-statues-se-asias-fixation-with-nazi-iconography

When I moved here like 12-14 years ago, they had Mein Kampf as best seller in the book store in Siam paragon mall, like an entire wall dedicated to it.

[Sig]

13 hours ago, ujayujay said:

So there are not members of the IDF?!........

You may benefit from reading my comment again and taking note of the word "most". Not to mention that there is no genocide happening anywhere that has anything to do with Israel. That is, unless you redefine what "genocide" means as well as redefine the goals of what Israel is doing. But then we might get into intellectual challenges that may be difficult to overcome with honesty to factual information. But the meme of the masses is easier to follow than it is to evaluate on its merits.

[The Old Bull]

7 hours ago, Greenhill said:

And it's NOT the Israelis.   They have been killing terrorists, whereas Hamas were delighted to kill civilians in most barbarous ways.    It's obvious in ANY war that civilians get killed.    How many civilians were killed in Dresden under Allied bombing?   How many civilians were killed when H-bombs were dropped on Japan?     Oh, you don't care to mention those because it wasn't Israelis doing the killing.

The figures speak for themselves.

[Aussie999]

21 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

It is more than a few.

there have been “no Israeli” signs in Thailand at resorts, shops and restaurants since at least the 90s.

Their culture and manners clashes with the Thais manners a lot.

We don’t see the same action against the other nationalities because they are simply not as disruptive and entitled as the Israelis.

 

I pity the Palestinians in the Westbank having to put up with these people where they have no rights to oppose it.

Good on the Thais, they are not anti Israeli for any religious or historical reason, it is purely for their behavior.

Many countries have banned entry to Israelis, maybe it is time that the Thais do it also until they learn to behave properly and respect others.

I have lived in Thailand a few years.. have never seen any such signs... can you post a few, and their location and the business.

[Hummin]

10 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

Maybe this is old news or I forgot but those 4 Israelis that broke into the emergency room in Pai are being deported now.  The comments on this video confirm other people seeing the same signs in other countries over decades. It's a pattern of behavior which led to this, Thai's just  become "anti-semantic" overnight and target them over some prejudice based on a conflict happening overseas.

 

 

Just a remark to one of his comments about smoking pot. Had a few  adhd/ptsd friends where smoking pot made their hyperactivity worsened and also their decision making as well aggressiveness 

[Aussie999]

19 hours ago, Jonathan Swift said:

Well, looking into this, it's more than a few Israelis, and it's been going on long enough to be of serious concern. You're doing whataboutism, which is a 5 year old's finger pointing deflection from the issue at hand. Nyeah Nyeah Johnny did this, Susie did that. Your favorite ethnic groups get plenty of airtime of their own, I'm sure you're a great help with that. The money issues here are obvious. Thailand needs and wants tourist dollars, and that's why they are cautious about enforcement. 

can you please make more sense... and provide PROOF to what you said.. otherwise it's just words... meaningless words... as for "finger point," pure BS mate, I simply asked a question....

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

I have lived in Thailand a few years.. have never seen any such signs... can you post a few, and their location and the business.

Long time now since I saw any, but patong used to have quite a few.

 

I also know from Europe, they will be told fullbooket or having canceled their bookings. More lately now than before. 

 

And personally know one camping site owner in Norway who try to avoid them as much as possible. It is not only a phenomenon in Thailand 

[Aussie999]

16 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

They didn't refuse to pay.....Moshe just took a long time "haggling " over the bribe they wanted.

Oh don't be racist please 

um, did you reply to the correct post... no where did I accuse them of refusing to pay, I actually asked a question... by the way, were you there... do you know something we don't... if so, let us all know.

[Aussie999]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Long time now since I saw any, but patong used to have quite a few.

 

I also know from Europe, they will be told fullbooket or having canceled their bookings. More lately now than before. 

 

And personally know one camping site owner in Norway who try to avoid them as much as possible. It is not only a phenomenon in Thailand 

OK, so you say 1 instance, from a long time ago.... don't you see how trivial your comment is... and irrelevant. 

[hotsun]

Thailand can afford to discriminate against israelis because theres not many of them. Can thailand afford to discriminate russians, chinese, indians?

 

no matter your nationality, your bad behavior will be forgiven in thailand..for the right price

[Hummin]

8 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

OK, so you say 1 instance, from a long time ago.... don't you see how trivial your comment is... and irrelevant. 

I didn't claim anything did I? I answered your question based on my experience.

 

I know people can be, and are completely idiots wherever they come from under the right circumstances.

 

So many who disbehave here in Thailand, and been traveling enough to dislike tourists as one group those who come for drugs, sex loud parties and just poison Thailand with bad culture

[fredwiggy]

On 2/10/2025 at 6:10 AM, hotchilli said:

Invite the west in , the behavioural pattern comes with it..

Along with the cars, trucks, TV's, phones, tablets, computers,scooters, motorcycles, buses, road equipment, tractors and other farm vehicles, washing machines, dryers, food, music, clothing, military vehicles and planes, guns, and lawmaking. Technology on electronics, road repairs, building, medical sciences.

[Sig]

18 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Along with the cars, trucks, TV's, phones, tablets, computers,scooters, motorcycles, buses, road equipment, tractors and other farm vehicles, washing machines, dryers, food, music, clothing, military vehicles and planes, guns, and lawmaking. Technology on electronics, road repairs, building, medical sciences.

lol Yeah, the east-west thing always cracks me up too, when people rail against "the west" for all of the woes of Asia. The amount of building up that came to Thailand via the US in return for using Thailand as a base of operations during the Vietnam was MASSIVE. Huge infrastructure throughout the country was advanced and it continued for years beyond the war. Thailand advanced light-years ahead of others in the region from that... but oops, can't talk about that. Some other guy sitting on a fancy chair in a glittery building with a glittery robe and headpiece is the one who was so brilliant and magnanimous to improve the country so dramatically, all by his own wisdom, with eastern inborn knowledge, of course. Oops! again... don't tell anyone he was born in the west (while his dad was being educated in the west) and then he was educated in the west and lived in the west until just before his time came. Hmmm his son prefers to live in the west too! Wow... Oh well, just don't talk about it and pretend like the east has it all and the west is the origin of the inability to think, act, and develop.